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milk good or bad?

biggerdave

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ok so ive been drinking 4 pints (2.27 ltrs) of milk a day for about a year now, it helps me get my calories up and also protien.
is this much milk bad for me?

thanks

dave.
 
If your not getting fat from it, and if your blood lipids are ok it should be fine. If your drinking whole milk, I would switch to 1% to lower my daily saturated fat intake.:(
 
Good reading.....

The Truth About Milk - Read
By Dave Rietz
[email protected]
Webmaster NotMilk.com
6-24-2

Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.

Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.

Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS

*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)

Rank Total Description

1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)

(2a and 7a were added for completeness)

(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)

CANCER FUEL

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

QUANTITY

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

IGF-1 INCREASES

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.

FAT

Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.

Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.

CALCIUM

Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.

The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?

Read more about it at:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info

Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.

Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:

Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794

The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.

It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.

PROTEIN

Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH

87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.

Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:

WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75

(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)

80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.

Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.

BACTERIA

Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.

To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!

Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.

PUS

ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.

That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).

1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)

The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.

Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.

CHOLESTEROL

The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?

KOSHER

Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:

"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."

"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)

Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:

Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.

Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.

OTHER 'STUFF'

Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.

The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.

LEUKEMIA

According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)

DIABETES

The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

CROHN'S DISEASE

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."

Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.

MAD COW DISEASE

There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!

HOMOGENIZATION

Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.

CUMULATIVE EFFECTS

How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.

Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.

Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!

POLLUTION

There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".

That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.

Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.

Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.

This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).

Another major point is:

"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.

SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED

Q: What is WHEY?

A: Whey results when the FAT and CASEIN are removed from milk.
In making cheese, the curds become the cheese.

Whey's main components are bovine serum albumin and lactalbumin.
There are other hormones contained in whey.

Q: What happens to the:

59 hormones, scores of allergens herbicides, pesticides, dioxins
up to 52 antibiotics

When made into cheese?

A: Everything gets concentrated.

When made into butter?

A: The allergens get lost: but the dioxin's and
pesticides and antibiotics remain in the fat.

In the digestive system?

A: Steroid hormones survive, as do dioxins and antibiotics.
In homogenized milk, protein hormones survive... depending upon the
gastric pH, some protein hormones in cheese survive, but not all...
eleven steroid hormones survive.

AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

Eventually, everything is broken down, but not before the chemical messengers (hormones) "deliver their message."

Each of those hormones and proteins acts differently and has different rates of degradation. BOTTOM LINE... they all survive to a certain degree... and the effects are cumulative.

OTHER HEATH-TRASHING SUBSTANCES IN COW'S MILK

Whey: Blood proteins. Bovine serum lactalbumin has been identified as a trigger for diabetes and other autoimmune diseases.

Lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia):

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/090599.txt Dr. Gordon: Heart Disease
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/629 Lactose is dangerous
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/453 Ben's heart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/396 Female Cancers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/378 Lactose intolerance

Colostrum (cow's first milk): Loaded with hormones, particularly IGF-I, along with loads of immunizing agents for COW DISEASES.

Answers courtesy of the NOTMILKMAN. ([email protected])

MILK...What a surprise!

Read what a NOTMILK guest book respondent said:
http://www.notmilk.com/gbooktalk.txt

For more of the WHOLE truth... visit:

For all past newsletters visit with a wealth of information:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/column.html

and for the Daily Squirts of NOTMILK wisdom...
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/squirts.html

Diabetics please read http://www.notmilk.com/deb/011099.html

Read up on "mad cow disease"? Visit
http://www.milkgate.com for what may well be mankind's NEXT plague.

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt my 2400 word overview (this file)
http://www.notmilk.com/wholemilk.txt USDA facts, and what they omitted
http://www.notmilk.com/52reasons.txt A reason for every week of the year

Perhaps the BEST single reference:
http://www.notmilk.com/a-z.txt
Extensive reasons by ailment/topic

QUOTES

"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD

"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock

OTHER BAD NEWS SUBSTANCES

http://www.dorway.com aspartame (Equal/Nutrasweet) This fake sweetener is not an effective diet aid and it was NEVER proven to be safe. Think 92 FDA complied symptoms (including death see http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html).

http://www.truthinlabeling.org MSG this flavor enhancer kissing-cousin mind-blower to aspartame has 30 different names. Aspartame was used in the testing placebos BEFORE it was legal (see http://www.dorway.com/msg.txt).

Dave Rietz
[email protected]
July 2002

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt

BIZ!!
 
Re: Good reading.....

BIZ said:
The Truth About Milk - Read
By Dave Rietz
[email protected]
Webmaster NotMilk.com
6-24-2

Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.

Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.

Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS

*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)

Rank Total Description

1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)

(2a and 7a were added for completeness)

(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)

CANCER FUEL

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

QUANTITY

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

IGF-1 INCREASES

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.

FAT

Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.

Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.

CALCIUM

Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.

The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?

Read more about it at:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info

Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.

Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:

Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794

The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.

It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.

PROTEIN

Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH

87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.

Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:

WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75

(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)

80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.

Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.

BACTERIA

Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.

To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!

Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.

PUS

ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.

That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).

1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)

The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.

Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.

CHOLESTEROL

The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?

KOSHER

Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:

"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."

"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)

Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:

Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.

Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.

OTHER 'STUFF'

Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.

The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.

LEUKEMIA

According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)

DIABETES

The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

CROHN'S DISEASE

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."

Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.

MAD COW DISEASE

There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!

HOMOGENIZATION

Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.

CUMULATIVE EFFECTS

How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.

Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.

Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!

POLLUTION

There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".

That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.

Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.

Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.

This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).

Another major point is:

"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.

SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED

Q: What is WHEY?

A: Whey results when the FAT and CASEIN are removed from milk.
In making cheese, the curds become the cheese.

Whey's main components are bovine serum albumin and lactalbumin.
There are other hormones contained in whey.

Q: What happens to the:

59 hormones, scores of allergens herbicides, pesticides, dioxins
up to 52 antibiotics

When made into cheese?

A: Everything gets concentrated.

When made into butter?

A: The allergens get lost: but the dioxin's and
pesticides and antibiotics remain in the fat.

In the digestive system?

A: Steroid hormones survive, as do dioxins and antibiotics.
In homogenized milk, protein hormones survive... depending upon the
gastric pH, some protein hormones in cheese survive, but not all...
eleven steroid hormones survive.

AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

Eventually, everything is broken down, but not before the chemical messengers (hormones) "deliver their message."

Each of those hormones and proteins acts differently and has different rates of degradation. BOTTOM LINE... they all survive to a certain degree... and the effects are cumulative.

OTHER HEATH-TRASHING SUBSTANCES IN COW'S MILK

Whey: Blood proteins. Bovine serum lactalbumin has been identified as a trigger for diabetes and other autoimmune diseases.

Lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia):

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/090599.txt Dr. Gordon: Heart Disease
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/629 Lactose is dangerous
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/453 Ben's heart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/396 Female Cancers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/378 Lactose intolerance

Colostrum (cow's first milk): Loaded with hormones, particularly IGF-I, along with loads of immunizing agents for COW DISEASES.

Answers courtesy of the NOTMILKMAN. ([email protected])

MILK...What a surprise!

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http://www.notmilk.com/gbooktalk.txt

For more of the WHOLE truth... visit:

For all past newsletters visit with a wealth of information:
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http://www.notmilk.com/deb/squirts.html

Diabetics please read http://www.notmilk.com/deb/011099.html

Read up on "mad cow disease"? Visit
http://www.milkgate.com for what may well be mankind's NEXT plague.

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt my 2400 word overview (this file)
http://www.notmilk.com/wholemilk.txt USDA facts, and what they omitted
http://www.notmilk.com/52reasons.txt A reason for every week of the year

Perhaps the BEST single reference:
http://www.notmilk.com/a-z.txt
Extensive reasons by ailment/topic

QUOTES

"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD

"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock

OTHER BAD NEWS SUBSTANCES

http://www.dorway.com aspartame (Equal/Nutrasweet) This fake sweetener is not an effective diet aid and it was NEVER proven to be safe. Think 92 FDA complied symptoms (including death see http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html).

http://www.truthinlabeling.org MSG this flavor enhancer kissing-cousin mind-blower to aspartame has 30 different names. Aspartame was used in the testing placebos BEFORE it was legal (see http://www.dorway.com/msg.txt).

Dave Rietz
[email protected]
July 2002

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt

BIZ!!
that's a little to much to read about milk.:D
 
it is a damn good read and unfortunatly it confirmed some things i was most worried about.
so now i have to try and find 1000 cals and 80 grams protien from some other source when i already eat myself sick everyday just to get where i am! damn.

thanks though biz.

dave.
 
From religion to the government their's so many different sides to every story and so many different prespectives to everything. We all know the FDA lies and so does the government. We all know that all religion's lie. I had once lost my faith in religion, I've just recently been trying to find my own tranquility with God. The government well what are you going to do? But now with this I think you just caused me to lose my faith in milk!!!!
 
for some people, they can drink as much milk as they want and not gain an ounce of fat, but some people can drink it and put on the fat just as quick as they drink. its all because of the simple sugar lactose. i am lactose intolerant :( and i dont put on fat easily at all and i drink close to a gallon a day. but because i am lactose intolerant it is like i am in constant war with my butt :mad:
 
LACTOSE IS NOT A "BAD" SUGAR!

Look at a glycemic index of foods.

LACTOSE SCORES VERY VERY LOW, AS DOSE FRUCTOSE!

I hate when people talk about all SUGAR as being "BAD FPR YOU"!

This is simply not so!
 
you're right about lactose except...

Lactose might score low on the GI but milk itself scores very high on the II (insulin index). Which is fast becoming the reference guide used by dieticians and diabetics. Researchers still aren't sure what causes milk to have a high II as the addition or reduction of fat doesn't change it's response on insulin. I personally believe it is the fast digesting whey protein that has such a dramatic response on insulin. However I can't prove it. I will say that milk for me is a great bulking food, the high quality proteins and calories make for big muscles. However when cutting I never seem to lose weight as dramaticaly with milk than without.:)
 
Good response but...

I personally believe it is the fast digesting whey protein that has such a dramatic response on insulin.

Milk is known as "natures time released protein" because it contains mostly casein (slow digesting) protein, AND
milk itself is slow digesting, which leads to even a slower release of amino acids into the blood stream.

For those who don't know, milk curdles in your stomach once it reacts with stomach acid.

Ever heard of the "1 gallon in 1 hour milk challenge"? :sick:
 
so maybe while im bulking it is not so bad as it gives me loads of cals etc but when i come off cycle or cut i should definatly cut down or stop?

dave.
 
BIZ, great read....thanks for posting that. i have been telling my friends not to drink milk for a long time because we as humans are not suppose to drink cow's milk. We are the only mammals that drink milk after childhood, and it is marketed by the goverment to keep farmers in business.

IMO, Milk does not do the body good. The only dairy product I will occasionally eat is cottage cheese.
 
BAAAAAH....you people are sheep. So now you think milk is evil since you read a one sided article about it?? Ever read those writups about a horrible chemical that kills people everyday....and it turns out to be WATER?? Geez note that they are talking about whole or 2% milk there. Stick to Skim milk when bulking and you will be fine. When dieting I do agree its best to avoid milk due to the lactose. You can take ANY substance and talk a pile of inflated , exaggerated "facts" about it and make it evil. When I first read that writeup last year it made me laugh, I saw through it right away. Its a clever attempt by animal lovers to demonize ANTHING that comes from an animal. Also note that milk contains EVIL IGF-1......uh...............are any of you dumbasses here actually bodybuilders??? So everything we do is good for us?? Read about how evil meat is. If you followed guy's like Dave Rietz 's advice you'd be 120lbs and a Vegan. Hey I hear steroids can kill you too.............yea really want me to post an article about that?? geeez
 
The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

Um, hate to tell ya, but milk only causes type I diabtese mellitis. This is called Juvenile onset diabetes. What happnes is that the protein is absorbed and the body recognizes a certain protein in milk and destroys it. Unfortunately, the beta cells on the pancrease (the cells that release inslin) look exactly like that protein, so the immune system attacks it.

THEREFORE, Type I diabetes is more accurately known as an autoimmune disorder. And by the way, some cases have been cured.

There is one hole in you argument, but im sure there are A LOT more. Im just not interested enough to find them out.

I could make an argument about why you shoukldnt eat meat that could persuade you to become a vegetarian, however, i could also write an article about how a vegetarian diet is VERY unhealthy (which it is) and persuade you to go on a mediterainian diet. I could write another article (to confuse and piss you off after you read the last 2) that a mediterranian diet is unhealthy due to the fat content. By now you should be getting the point.

Most of these websites are made by paranoid people that think everything is a conspiracy. its all 100% pure Bovine excriment (thats bullshit).

Oh, and one more thing, im sure you eat more shit in your daily diet than one glass of milk. Your hands and fingers regularly have small amounts of feces on them, think about that next time you tuch a door knob before you eat.

Also, those yummy burgers from McDonalds are allowed to have a certain amount of rat feces and other parts of a rat (sometimes they get into the grinder).

I have drank milk since i was young. I drink more milk now that i have been lifting weights than when i did when i was young and i can not remember the last time i got sick, its been over a year! Milk is good for you. And remeber, dont believe everything you read on the internet, especially if the article is one sided and the writer thinks that everything is a conspiracy.

Just my 2 cc's
 
more info....

Bad Milk Blamed for Wis. Outbreak


ATLANTA (AP) - Seventy-five people in Wisconsin suffered severe diarrhea, fever and cramps after drinking unpasteurized milk.

The December outbreak of campylobacter jejuni was traced to an organic dairy farm with 36 cows in Sawyer County, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.

Because Wisconsin prohibits sales of unpasteurized milk to the public, the farm distributed the unpasteurized milk through a cow-leasing program in which people paid a fee for the milk.

In 1995, 28 states allowed the sale of unpasteurized milk, including California.

In pasteurization - named after Louis Pasteur, the 19th-century French chemist who developed the process - milk is heated to more than 150 degrees to kill bacteria.

Many people believe unpasteurized milk tastes better and has more nutritional value. But studies have found no proof of such claims, said Dr. Donita Croft, a CDC official assigned to the Wisconsin Division of Public Health.

``We want the public to be aware that it's a risky practice,'' Croft said.

BIZ!!
 
I know biz, im not pissed at ya :). However, i must say that the milk is unpasteurized. You would put uncooked steak or veggies plucked from the graound that havent been washed in your mouth, would ya?
 
1hr. milk challenge

LOL, ya... I remember my freshman year in high school, about 20 of us at our lunch table all threw down a dollar to a guy who could drink a gallon of milk before the lunch bell rang. It was definitely not a pretty sight. Ahhh high school those were the days. Just as an interesting side note I've heard that this can be actually be accomplished if one were to take some kind of acid nuetralizer (Zantac, Tagamet, etc...) before hand. LOL how immature but I know a few dumbasses who might've made a lot of money if they had only known this beforehand.:D :idea:
 
THE BOUNCER said:
i don't really drink milk. i definitly won't drink it before a comp. i seem to look soft when i drink milk.

i hear alot of this.....i hear people say it makes their skin "thick"......any validity?
 
Ok.... lets all quit drinking milk and start drinking tea. Lets also stop lifting weights and start sucking eachother cocks. WHAT THE FUCK R U GUYS... A BUNCH OF FUCKING HOMOS??!?!?!?! Hahaha.... I'm sorry, I didn't mean homos.. I meant lame.. sorry about that.

Seriously... Milk is now the devil?? C'mon guys. Milk causes diabetes... that's the biggest bunch of HORSESHIT I've ever heard. And look who wrote the article... and 120 lb lab pussy who drinks tea with 80 year old women at 11am on wednesdays.

Traces of feces, pus ect ect.... What's in the bottle of deca you have from Mexico?? You think that shit is pure??

Gimme a break guys, lets eat some meat, drink milk, wear leather, lift big OR GO HOME!!!!

(it wont kill you, i promise)
 
IM NOT A SHEEP!!!

I'm still going to drink milk its a simple idea that i try to go by in my life....

Everything in moderation, not just that but finding what works for me. People tell me "don't take ephedrine it'll give you a heart attact" and i laugh. When people say don't do that it'll give you cancer I say "what doesn't give you cancer?." I found all the info interesting but nothing to waste too much energy on.
 
Milk causes digestion problems in some people, not just lactose intollerant people, but the homoginization and pasteurization of milk makes digestion tough for many people, so it can actually rot in the gut. If milk gives you gas, this is why - curtail your intake. Also, you will find that lactose is a sugar, so if your dieting to lose weight, cut out the dairy.
 
I'd like to punch the dumbass who wrote that article in the fucking mouth. What a biased report, the benefits of milk FAR outweigh any negative effect. That guy is like one of those people that use to say meat was bad for you. Total gayness. The negative effects are like 1/1,000,000 chances. People that write reports like that should DIE.

Milk does cause digestive problems, but studies show the more you drink milk the more your body creates the cells needed to break down lactose and the less digestive problems you'll have altogeather (not just from milk) in the long wrong.

Yea milk has alot of sugar, but it's better than your fat ass stuffing oeros into your mouth. You're not gonna gain fat from drinking skim milk, if anything it's gonna help you to lose.

Now shut the fuck up and die. Drink milk, it's good for you.
 
Advaik does prove a good point. increased intake of milk will cause an influx of enzymes used to break down milk components, such as lactase, pepsin, lipase, and many other enzymes. Pepsin and lipase are 2 very important enzymes that are used to digest more than just milk.
 
Biz no offense bro but the threads you referred us to are bullshit, from some anti dairy weirdo's. It's like the stupid cocksuckers who are distributing the aspertame bullshit. Sure if you drink milk from a diseased cow you may get sick even die. That is why milk is pastuerized, remember Louie? Milk is a very good source of protien and other nutrients. If milk is sure to kill you how about whey? It comes from milk. Learn not to believe all the horseshit you read about various health risks on the web. For some people milk causes some problems like really stinky farts certainly not a life or death matter.
I did not not take time to read through each and every thread so if I missed something, please excuse me.
 
Oh geezus...Bessie ( my cow) is pissed. She read Biz's post and went on a Mad Cow Rampage....She burned down the farm and used the insurance claim money to hire Johnny Cocrahn. Now shes suing Biz and the writer of the article for slanderous and dmagaing remarks. OHHH THE HUMANITY!
 
nekrawulf......

LOL!!! Let me just say that anyone who remembers me from before knows that I just put up info for friendly debate...rather than info that will cause bashing one another if you notice this thread caused debate about milk and not each other...That is what this board is about.....I at NO point said I agreed or disagreed with these articiles.....The only being that I see is angry with me is nekrawulf's cow...LOL!!!

BIZ!!

BIZ!!
 
LOL!!! Let me just say that anyone who remembers me from before knows that I just put up info for friendly debate...rather than info that will cause bashing one another if you notice this thread caused debate about milk and not each other...That is what this board is about.....I at NO point said I agreed or disagreed with these articiles.....The only being that I see is angry with me is nekrawulf's cow...LOL!!!

Thats the reason that I said no offsense toward you, but I thought that the sources listed were faulty. Peace to you brother.
 
From

http://www.muscleandfitnesshers.com...ge=1&curCatID=536&SuperCID=536&CID=B&SubCID=A

Some people like it ice-cold; others drink it warm at bedtime. Children often stir in chocolate or strawberry powder, then sip it through a straw. It comes in nonfat, low-fat and whole varieties, as well as evaporated, condensed and powder form, and is a vital part of countless recipes. From your morning cereal to your midnight snack, what would you do without milk?

Sure, the white stuff tastes good, but better yet, it’s good for you. Just one of milk’s many benefits is that it contains essential lactase and Vitamin D, which enhance calcium absorption to help you build and maintain strong bones. It’s also an excellent source of potassium, phosphorus, riboflavin, vitamins B2, B12 and A, and calcium itself.

Not only is milk a source of complete protein (it contains all eight essential amino acids), making it a staple of many athletes’ menus, but it may also help prevent colon and breast cancer. And contrary to some popular belief, it doesn’t exacerbate asthma, aggravate arthritis or cause calcium deposits.

Milking your diet
If you work up a sweat on a regular basis, be aware that you’re saying goodbye to some of your calcium; it’s lost in perspiration, along with sodium and potassium. Instead of simply rehydrating with water after you train, drink a glass of low-fat milk to restore all three minerals simultaneously. “Milk is a good source of protein, and provides more vitamins and minerals than the leading sports drink,” states Gregory Miller, PhD, vice president of nutrition research at the National Dairy Council (Chicago).

Just one glass of milk contains about 300 mg of the 1,000–1,500 mg of calcium recommended daily for the average person (see “Daily Intake Recommendations”). If you’re lactose-intolerant or you just don’t like the taste of milk and other dairy products, you can get your calcium from greens, beans, fish with bones and calcium-fortified foods. Nondairy foods, however, usually don’t have as much calcium per serving and have a lower absorption rate. For example, it takes 7 cups of raw chopped broccoli to equal the calcium you get from 1 cup of milk, says Steve Hertzler, RD, assistant professor at the school of Allied Medical Professions at Ohio State University (Columbus). To compensate, plan on taking in about 35% more, or about 1,350–2,000 mg per day.


Some foods will rob you of your calcium, so watch out for excessive intakes of soda, coffee, acidic amino acids (methionine and cysteine found in animal protein) and sodium.

Milk safety & organics
As meat and produce are increasingly tinkered with at the farm to enhance their taste or freshness, some consumers fear this use of growth hormones and antibiotics is unhealthy. In terms of dairy milk production, however, U.S. Food and Drug Administration scientists have concluded that recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbGH), specifically bovine somatotropin (bST), doesn’t pose a health risk to humans.


Miller says other groups back up the FDA’s claims of milk safety. “FDA officials, scientists and nutritionists agree that milk from cows supplemented with bST poses absolutely no risk to consumers and is the same as from cows not treated with bST,” he explains. “Milk and dairy products are among the most highly regulated and monitored food products in America . . . and are subject to up to 17 safety quality and sanitation inspections before ever reaching a grocery store.

Still wary of drinking something you envision being cooked up at the lab? Try organic milk. The Federal Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 requires that dairy livestock producing organic milk not be exposed to hormones and antibiotics (which may contribute to antibiotic resistance). Organic milk is currently regulated by state and private agencies, and certifying agencies will soon be accredited by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Purchasing organic milk also supports small dairies committed to protecting the environment.

Healthy bones, healthy body
Osteoporosis. Commonly touted as the best way to prevent the bone-thinning disease, the push for adequate calcium intake is being questioned by members of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (Washington, D.C.). They claim the popular “Got Milk” ads are misleading, but most health organizations disagree. “Dairy’s role in preventing osteoporosis and in strengthening bones has been demonstrated in numerous scientific studies, and has long been established and lauded by the nutrition and science community,” notes Miller.

The consensus is that calcium, regardless of the source, helps build bones in a two-step process. The first is building bones while you’re young; the second is preventing bone loss as an adult. At any age, nutrition plays a central role in keeping bones strong: Besides calcium, try to get the recommended dietary intake of vitamins D and K, magnesium, potassium, and trace elements zinc, copper and manganese. Avoid excessive alcohol and sodium. A diet based on animal products may draw calcium out of bones; on the other hand, vegans who avoid all animal-based foods such as dairy must diligently include other calcium-rich foods in their diet.


As a fitness enthusiast, you have an added advantage when it comes to keeping your bones strong: Weight training enhances bone mineralization. If you train so intensely that you experience loss of menstrual cycle, however, you’re at increased risk for stress fractures and osteoporosis, and should increase your calcium intake to 1,500 mg daily.

Cancer. Does milk promote or prevent cancer? Some studies show the former, some the latter. PCRM spokesperson Simon Chaitowitz states: “Recent research on diet and cancer is focusing on a protein in the bloodstream called insulinlike growth factor-1 (IGF-1) . . . People increasing the amount of dairy products in their diets are typically found to have higher levels of IGF-1.” While Chaitowitz notes that these higher levels have been linked to breast cancer, other studies link higher calcium intake from dairy foods to a lower incidence of breast cancer.


Researchers have also shown that the conjugated linoleic acid found in milk may help to prevent colon cancer. Either way, the link between milk and cancer currently isn’t strong enough to make definitive suggestions.


Blood Pressure. DASH, an acronym for Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension, was a clinical study that turned into a healthy eating plan to help lower blood pressure. Dietary recommendations include 2–3 servings of low-fat dairy products for calcium, as well as whole grains for magnesium and 8–10 servings of produce daily for potassium. Yet the potassium, not calcium, was credited with lowering blood pressure.


The Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation and Treatment of High Blood Pressure recommends an increase in magnesium and calcium intake for general health considerations, not for regulation of high blood pressure. It should be noted that although calcium won’t lower blood pressure, deficiencies are linked to higher blood pressure.
 
hmm, i thought this post was gonna be about breast milk... anyways, Nutri-Wrestler makes a valid point and Biz, thanks for bringing the information forward, i'll never care to hear it again btu thanks. Milk is good.
 
Sorry, the article has too many religious associations with it for me to do anything but discard it as one sided religious info.

It seems to be written for a certain peoples, of which I am not included.

X
 
Well anyone over say the age 50+ drank whole milk growing up. Talking to my grandparents who are in their 80's they still drink whole milk and have there whole lives. My grandfather lived on a farm and milked cows everyday and drank it straight from the cow. He is 85 and in good shape and his mother lived to be 95 and they didn't have easy lives. I also have another great grandmother who lived to be in her 90's and one great grandmother still living at the age of 100 and they all drank whole milk their entire life. I drink milk everyday and like it, so I guess I'll keep drinking it and we will see who lives longer, the people who don't drink milk, or whole eggs, meat, fastfood, etc or me who enjoys my food.
 
We shouldn't be living on earth if we should go by every health concerning article.

MILK IS GOOD
 
I'm the sorry but that anti-milk link is BY FAR some of the stupidest bullshit I have ever read. If milk is an instant recipie for obesity, then why is the anti-milk clown who wrote this a triple-chinned slob? His notion that IGF-1 in milk will contribute to obesity and cancer not only is incorrect, but even if it did, the minute amounts of IGF-1 in milk cannot survive the digestion track. This misinformation is religously biased garbage. If you think milk is evil, then learn to enjoy your 140lb body.
 
With all the bs they say about milk I know I wouldn't have gained what I have with out it. Its like the main base for my food. I drink a gallon a day of whole milk. My chol. levels are fine and I don't get fat. I am howere going to switch to 2% on my next cycle. LONG LIVE MILK! What BB from the past didn't use milk?
 
this may sound like heresy, but

I could give two shits about what arnold says. His "encyclopedia of bodybuilding" is not worth the paper it is printed on. The man was a genetic freak who was both overtrained and overdrugged, but at the end of the day, genetics are what set the great ones apart from mere mortals.

For nearly everyone (except those with lactose intolerance problems), milk (either 1 or 2 percent) should be the cornerstone of any bulking cycle. It is very, very difficult to consume the amount of calories nessecary for growth from just solid foods. Milk combined with a protein powder is almost essential in any anabolic regimen. Lactose is one the best forms of carbohydrate out there and milk protein is one of the only non-meat sources for a complete, biologically usable protein, (which soy is not).
 
Very good debate, I feel like I have all of the milk knowledge I will ever need. Milk, like a lot of other substances will affect everyone differently. One thing that I have found is a lot of different products in moderation good, a lot of one thing regularly,bad. Do you guys remember when Muscle and Fitness had an article about the hazards of eating Tuna. I have seen so many articles that tout different foods being bad for you. A lot of the effect is determined by how good of shape you are in. Your internal organs functions better, absorb better and eliminate better when you are in shape. Milk does have it's advantages, just like all of the other foods that will kill ya. I heard that dirt was good for you the other day.
 
I drink a gallon of skim milk a day when bulking. I love it . I can drink a half gal. no problem in one sitting..........galaxy
 
I like me some milk :D I easily go through 4-5 gallons a week without even trying. What's this about a gallon in an hour...that doesn't sound too bad. I've easily put down a half gallon in 20 min with my chocolate Oreos. Everyone buck up...I'm going for it!
 
Re: Re: Good reading.....

THE BOUNCER said:
that's a little to much to read about milk.:D

If you wouldn't mind, in the future could you not quote the entire article only to follow it up with one sentence.
 
JoBu said:
I like me some milk :D I easily go through 4-5 gallons a week without even trying. What's this about a gallon in an hour...that doesn't sound too bad. I've easily put down a half gallon in 20 min with my chocolate Oreos. Everyone buck up...I'm going for it!

THAT chocolate oreas remark had me laughing so hard.. i definitely drink a shit load of whole milk..

cya
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"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD

excellent: milk + tren = 400lbs jdubs
 
Figured I'd put in my 2 cents. I have been drinking a lot of milk ever since I was a little kid. It's my overall favorite drink. I drink around 3/4 gallon a day. It doesn't bother me at all. I've never had a problem with fat or looking soft. Apparently it affects people differently. Oh, I usually drink 1%. It's always worked for me, so unless people start growing utters/horns from drinking it, I probably won't stop.

Not everyone has my luck with milk, but for me it "does a body good."
 
I'm not convinced! I've heard the bad rap about dairy products from time to time, so I decided to give up dairy products entirely for 1 year. Trial & Error with this little experiment told me that I felt much better with my low-fat yogurt on a daily basis!

NN:D
 
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so in a dieting phase, would 1-2 cups of skim milk be harmful?
 
Nutrient-Nut said:
I'm not convinced! I've heard the bad rap about dairy products from time to time, so I decided to give up dairy products entirely for 1 year. Trial & Error with this little experiment told me that I felt much better with my low-fat yogurt on a daily basis!

NN:D

I will second this. I love milk with my MRP's and Whey but I have figured out overtime that although I am not lactose intolerant whatsoever, when I am drinking milk regularly I tend to have way more allergies crises and zits.

just my 2 cents
 
This article/report is simply ridiculous.

People have even written reports regarding the dangers of Water and how it can kill in large amounts. Yes, if you take 100 litres of water at once you can die. So what?

Milk is not an engineered or fabricated food. It is completely natural and consists of 87% water and 13% solids. The solids include fats, proteins, carbohydrates, water soluble vitamins and minerals.

Please tell me which one of these ingredients is a problem?

The fact remains that milk is an excellent food that should be a daily part of not only every athlete, but every human being.

Enough said
 
DepressiveJuice said:
so in a dieting phase, would 1-2 cups of skim milk be harmful?

Absolutely not.

In fact, you could even drink whole milk during a dieting regimen. Fat is required by the body for overall health just as much as protein and carbohyrates.

The key is not to consume too much fat as well as watching out for which types of fat you consume.

The fact remains, the fat in foods like eggs and milk is necessary and will provide you with greater overall health.
 
Damn I love milk. I would die without it:arrow: and I would kill for it:evil: . I think almost half of my cals and protien come from milk. I would shrivel up with out it. I drink a good gallon a day of whole milk, never break out from it, never have bad chol. never have stomach problems, I am totally healthy and drank it my whole life lol I am only 27 but thats pretty many years of testing. Man it def heped in my last cycle
 
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