Milk = Estrogen = lower test levels?WTF?

[GreekMonsta]

Well i think i posted this question like 8 months ago, and i got flamed, but here i go again.
Allright, my buddy who is a nutritionist (or something like that) and is pretty massive might i add, believes that Milk is bad for gains because, milk comes from a female cow and it contains little amounts of estrogen, thus hurting gains. He drinks minimal amounts of milk just to get enough calcium, and uses egg whites to mix his protein shakes. He says that since he has cut out milk that he has put on some size, i still think that it's a mental thing, and there is no scientific proof to back it up. Also he says that the more dairy products you take in, it goes straight to your skin, and your skin gets thicker, thus affecting the potential of someone to become muscular and cut. I don't know what he's been smoking.
But i asked my brothers wife, who is a registered dietition, and has her masters etc. And she beleives that there could be some truth to that, but during the purification process of the milk the estrogen (or most of it) is eliminated. So she told me not to worry about that.

What do you guys think? Any scientific evendince to back this shit up? I still drink my milk....but you know, if you hear it a couple of times you have to start wondering.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

it's not milk that raises estrogen in men, it is SOY

 

[GreekMonsta]

but the main argument here is that there is estrogen in milk.... but i don't know what is up with that.

GM

 

[maxes21]

i bet there is soo little estrogen i dosent even matter, plus estrogen is essential in muscle growth,just not lots of it, plus i drink about half a gallon of milk a day and have had no problem my whole life.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

this is a legitimate question... there are undoubtedly hormones in milk.. the implications though are less clear. and processing/purification will VARY as will the Hormonal treatment that cows recieve.

 

[bigrand]

I dont give a shit, i still drink hella milk, i could use the extra protien while i wait for my gear to arive (its taking for fucking ever!).

 

[Dirty Boy]

I was under the impression most of the hormones in milk were digested in the harsh acidic environment of the stomach and little if none would actually make it to the bloodstream.

 

[bigrand]

Thats what im saying, if you did get any h'mones from milk, they would be negligible. Ill still drink the shit though, gotta keep the protein high cuz im 2 weeks off cycle and not using clomid, soon to be back on shit.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

perhaps a better description would be estrogenic chemicals.. though it is highly likely that 17aa estrogens are used in cows.. thus their metabolites MAY be more likely to survive the gut.. will look into it (if time )

 

[bigrand]

Mac,
lets say there were h'mones that we ingested that were in milk....would they be in amounts that would be of any concern? I wouldnt think so, but hey, im just lowley student now

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Dieldrin, a pesticide and estrogenic chemical, is found in cows milk. It has been linked to increased risk of breast cancer..though how prevalent this chemical is???

 

[bigrand]

Oh yeah, well androgens have been linked to an increase in the incedence of prostate cancer! JP
My micro bio teacher fed me a line last semester, hes said somehting to the effect that androgens CAUSE cancer because they are regulatory chems and if you take to many, the growth of some tissues may be permanetly turned on by the excess hormones. What he was saying was kind of abstract, im not saying it to well probly, but i think there are too many factors involved with androgens (and food additives as well) to loose sleep over it.

Im still gonna drink milk though....

 

[RRR]

GOT MILK?!