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The military, as well as law enforcement agencies (including the DEA) don't routinely test servicemembers. The entrance drug tests are for the usual suspects, but if a polygrpah exam is used the question will be so broad as to encompass all prior illegal drug use. Many naive, misguided poly examiners will foolishly refer to AAS as narcotics.
As far as strictness, in the military it will depend upon the CO. There may be anything from an adminsitrative discipline all the way to a full-blown court martial. Again, it depends upon the discretion of the commander and how serious he/she perceived the offense as well as the record of the sevice member.
Chapter 13 of LEGAL MUSCLE is dedicated to soldiers on steroids. As all material in the book, it was reviewed by an expert in the field, a Marine Corps JAG officer.
RW
As far as strictness, in the military it will depend upon the CO. There may be anything from an adminsitrative discipline all the way to a full-blown court martial. Again, it depends upon the discretion of the commander and how serious he/she perceived the offense as well as the record of the sevice member.
Chapter 13 of LEGAL MUSCLE is dedicated to soldiers on steroids. As all material in the book, it was reviewed by an expert in the field, a Marine Corps JAG officer.
RW
THEEGAME2544
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I think they should put soldiers on gear. A lot of them are really wimpy looking LOL!!!
Synpax
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Youknow, theegame, I thought about that too. It seems like a good idea if done correctly by doctors who know what they are doing, but the military and the public have little taste for that sort of thing.
Of course, one look at a navy seal team and it's pretty clear they aren't just eating their veggies.
Of course, one look at a navy seal team and it's pretty clear they aren't just eating their veggies.
Actually, some sources indicate that it was Adolph Hitler who prompted research into the development of man-made testosterone compounds. Some authorities suggest that in Hitler's quest to conquer the world with his "Ubersoldiers" he sought something to make his men stronger and have more endurance. Some suggest that test suspension (a crude water-based AAS consisting of nothing more than disolved crystals in water), was developed in response.
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THEEGAME2544
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ROID WARRIOR said:
I've heard that too about German research back in WWII. But in regards to the U.S. you'd think that the military would want their soldiers to be bigger and stronger than the everyday person....but that's just not the case. My brother is a Marine and I was looking through some of his pictures from their camp, and I would guess that every soldier looked to be about a buck 60 nothing different from the everyday average thin person. I think the military should've been giving those soldiers over in Iraq packets of Dbol instead of oatmeal
PotatoHead
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A buddy of mine got MAXED out in a field grade article 15. OUCH! The soldier was squared away too, very good soldier. Gave him the big green one and didn't even use the lub! As far as testing, never been tested for it. If they suspect it, I'm sure they would. Like RW said, I think it depends on your chain, but I think most commanders will crucify you for it.
The military doesn't like Court Martials because it costs too much, and with an article 15, the commander is in control....that's the way they generally like it. I think court martials are most often reserved for heavier crimes, but if you are charged with dealing, and they have good evidence....look out, they may go for the court matial.
Also, They use the court matial thing mostly as a way to scare the soldier into taking the article 15. A lot of time, if you elect to take a court martial(which is your right) they will throw out the charges. They really like using the court martial shit to scare you into the article 15. I just can't say that enough; it's incredible how many soldiers get screwed with article 15's they don't deserve...simply because there command scares them into it.
I once new an E-5 that was threatened with an article 15 because he bounced some checks. He told the commander that he wanted the court martial. Of course, the commander droped the whole thing.
The military doesn't like Court Martials because it costs too much, and with an article 15, the commander is in control....that's the way they generally like it. I think court martials are most often reserved for heavier crimes, but if you are charged with dealing, and they have good evidence....look out, they may go for the court matial.
Also, They use the court matial thing mostly as a way to scare the soldier into taking the article 15. A lot of time, if you elect to take a court martial(which is your right) they will throw out the charges. They really like using the court martial shit to scare you into the article 15. I just can't say that enough; it's incredible how many soldiers get screwed with article 15's they don't deserve...simply because there command scares them into it.
I once new an E-5 that was threatened with an article 15 because he bounced some checks. He told the commander that he wanted the court martial. Of course, the commander droped the whole thing.
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Synpax
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PotatoHead - you are going to have to 'de-militerize" the following part of your post PLEASE:
"A buddy of mine got MAXED out in a field grade article 15. OUCH! The soldier was squared away too, very good soldier. Gave him the big green one and didn't even use the lub! As far as testing, never been tested for it."
"A buddy of mine got MAXED out in a field grade article 15. OUCH! The soldier was squared away too, very good soldier. Gave him the big green one and didn't even use the lub! As far as testing, never been tested for it."
PotatoHead
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Synpax-
An article 15 is a commanders in office punishment to the soldier. A field grade article 15(Army, other services have there on name for it) is the worst article 15 a soldier can get. The next step above a field grade is a court martial. The advantage to article 15(commanders punishment) is that it doesn't leave the military(stays in the military when you get out.) There's more to that, but I don't want to get into all the details. Anyways. when they "MAX' you, it just means they gave you the maximum punishment available under the provisions of the article 15. A field grade can take you down from an E-4 to an E-1, 1/2 months pay for two months, 45 days extra duty(work until about 11am every night,) and 45 days restriction, which means you can go to the chow hall and work....that's it. That's the maximum punishment for an article 15...if I remember correctly.
If you want my opinion about using AS in the military, here it is: Be extremely careful because they will fry your ass if you get caught. I've never heard of them testing for AS for going in the military period. The blood tests for an officer going in is the same for enlisted. You'll be ok for getting in, but if I were you, I wouldn't do AS in the military unless you know for sure they will not find your gear. If you live in the barracks...most single soldiers do, then definately don't keep them there because they do health and welfare inspections....which just means they come into your living area and look at all your shit. You have little privacy in that regard in the military.
You'll see once you're in. You'll be able to make a judgement about it once you understand how the systme runs. Personally, I would keep the AS away from the barracks...maybe at a friends house, or bury it some where! Also, I wouldn't have a package shipped to my military address. That's just me and my opinions, some people may do otherwise, but I've seen two many good folks get busted for drugs. They'll even screw the hell out of you for pot, just for having it in your piss!!!
Hope that helps
An article 15 is a commanders in office punishment to the soldier. A field grade article 15(Army, other services have there on name for it) is the worst article 15 a soldier can get. The next step above a field grade is a court martial. The advantage to article 15(commanders punishment) is that it doesn't leave the military(stays in the military when you get out.) There's more to that, but I don't want to get into all the details. Anyways. when they "MAX' you, it just means they gave you the maximum punishment available under the provisions of the article 15. A field grade can take you down from an E-4 to an E-1, 1/2 months pay for two months, 45 days extra duty(work until about 11am every night,) and 45 days restriction, which means you can go to the chow hall and work....that's it. That's the maximum punishment for an article 15...if I remember correctly.
If you want my opinion about using AS in the military, here it is: Be extremely careful because they will fry your ass if you get caught. I've never heard of them testing for AS for going in the military period. The blood tests for an officer going in is the same for enlisted. You'll be ok for getting in, but if I were you, I wouldn't do AS in the military unless you know for sure they will not find your gear. If you live in the barracks...most single soldiers do, then definately don't keep them there because they do health and welfare inspections....which just means they come into your living area and look at all your shit. You have little privacy in that regard in the military.
You'll see once you're in. You'll be able to make a judgement about it once you understand how the systme runs. Personally, I would keep the AS away from the barracks...maybe at a friends house, or bury it some where! Also, I wouldn't have a package shipped to my military address. That's just me and my opinions, some people may do otherwise, but I've seen two many good folks get busted for drugs. They'll even screw the hell out of you for pot, just for having it in your piss!!!
Hope that helps
Hacksquats
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I was in the Marines - they did not test. I took Paxil too cause it was so fucking depressing - no pop. They reserve the right to test for juice if you make serious gains. Most guys are pretty jacked anyways - so unless you get some good shit the makes you phenominal you'll be allright. I remember some absolute monsters - I could never get that big even if I juiced staight for 8 years. I saw some seals that were ripped - there is no way they could maintain that mass with all the running they did. Go for it. Plus you'll find the military sucks shit and the chance of getting booted might make you happy!
A dishonorable discharge will haunt you for the rest of your life. It will be nearly impossible to get a good job. You lose many of your rights as an American citizen (like your right to bear arms). It is a terrible stigma that will follow you like your shadow.Hacksquats said:
The army doesn't need steroids anyway; it's about manpower and shooting things now. If you ain't strong enough to carry a rifle, I think you're disqualified, but that's about it. Besides, big guys require more calories and that's a real cost in MREs.
My brother's in the army and *I* understood that whole "MAXED" spiel, too...hahaha
My brother's in the army and *I* understood that whole "MAXED" spiel, too...hahaha
Hacksquats
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Yes you are taking a chance at a dishonorable discharge. The guys in the Army are pretty scrawny so you might stand out. You'd def stand out in the Air Force. But in the Marines they'd never know.
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well lookie here, Marine boy checking in.
i get tested for drugs about once a month sometimes more. but its for recreational drugs. Gear isnt tested for without cause and i think you have to be showing major signs of agression and unstability, becasause i know ALOT of marines on gear and every one kinda knows but doesnt know , if you get what i am saying, any way by the looks of my SIG, and the fact that i havent popped. i guess i'll kepp on it.
as for the dishonarable dscharge, Bush past a law making it illegal for business's to require you to disclose the type of discharege you have. he said he didnt think it was fair that young kids who made mistakes early in life had to pay for it forever.
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i get tested for drugs about once a month sometimes more. but its for recreational drugs. Gear isnt tested for without cause and i think you have to be showing major signs of agression and unstability, becasause i know ALOT of marines on gear and every one kinda knows but doesnt know , if you get what i am saying, any way by the looks of my SIG, and the fact that i havent popped. i guess i'll kepp on it.
as for the dishonarable dscharge, Bush past a law making it illegal for business's to require you to disclose the type of discharege you have. he said he didnt think it was fair that young kids who made mistakes early in life had to pay for it forever.
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"Bush past a law making it illegal for business's to require you to disclose the type of discharege you have. he said he didnt think it was fair that young kids who made mistakes early in life had to pay for it forever."
Do you have a URL or cite for this statement by President Bush?
Thanks,
RW
Do you have a URL or cite for this statement by President Bush?
Thanks,
RW
Hacksquats
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Right on Gawds gift - there were so many Active duty Marines that are just freaking enourmous.
To get to the guys OCS question - you'll be fine. Unless you look huuuuge. But the Officers can be a bunch of jeolous chatty women - you might have problems in the service if you are bigger than your superiors. Those h-mos seem to like the Thin look in their commanders. Conformaty is an absolute must for a successful career as an officer. If you're bigger than them and you're competing for their possitions they might rat you out. Personally I'd avoid AS unless you're going into a grunt unit. You'll need em!
I'm also weary the Bush comment - I'd like to see a URL on that too. I spent a lot of time in hell so I could ensure an honorable. The dishonorable threat is about the only tool the military has to keep people in.
To get to the guys OCS question - you'll be fine. Unless you look huuuuge. But the Officers can be a bunch of jeolous chatty women - you might have problems in the service if you are bigger than your superiors. Those h-mos seem to like the Thin look in their commanders. Conformaty is an absolute must for a successful career as an officer. If you're bigger than them and you're competing for their possitions they might rat you out. Personally I'd avoid AS unless you're going into a grunt unit. You'll need em!
I'm also weary the Bush comment - I'd like to see a URL on that too. I spent a lot of time in hell so I could ensure an honorable. The dishonorable threat is about the only tool the military has to keep people in.
SpeedFreak5
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Synpax said:
I'm in the middle east now and there were quite a bit of poeple who were on Anoblics. Not all seal team members are users, but a few yes. I had a friend who went to buds and during the weakend they went to mexico to get some, they needed it their bodies were breaking down to hard.
They don't test unless you get caught with some. So keep your mouth shut and don't leave any in your room for someone to find.
SpeedFreak5
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Hacksquats said:
True, I used to have a commander in charge of the security force out here. He was about as big as Brock lester(WWF). Looked like a freak. everyone knew he was juicin, but I knew it was that gh as well. They finally got rid of him because he had married someone else before his devorce was final.
