Mexico Final Verdict?

[oubeta]

I'm going to Del Rio soon and I've had a few guys on the board tell me they claimed their vet test at customs. I said bull shit. I called customs in Del Rio 830-703-2012 and they told me I could bring in 50units. He said 1ml=1unit. So me and my girls gould bring back 10 bottles of QV EQ he said that's right. I callled customs in Brownville and they told me I can't bring steroids back into the us. The guy in Del Rio looked in his book and made for sure. Then I called Laredo and he told me 50 units of Human Grade with a doc script. If I get a script what human grade stuff could I bring back? Just the weak redijects of sus and deca?

I remember a post on this about a month ago, but never found the final verdict on claiming gear.

Rick or anyone know anything on this.

If it illegal I'm not going to do it after reading post on my other thread on the other board.
Karma to you guys.

 

[Rick Collins]

Excerpted from LEGAL MUSCLE, Chapter 8:

"Under the newly amended exemption, an American who enters the U.S. through an international land border with a controlled substance (except a substance in schedule I) for which the individual doesn’t have a valid prescription in accordance with applicable federal and state law (or documentation that verifies the issuance of such a prescription to that individual) is limited to no more than fifty (50) dosage units. [21 U.S.C. § 956(a)(2)]"

"This exemption has been the topic of many online discussion board threads, with some amateur legal analysts concluding that bodybuilders can lawfully import juice any way they want as long as they bring no more than fifty units at a time. Bad advice. The exemption, even on its face, is actually of very little applicability to muscleheads. First, the exemption only applies to land borders, not to mail or courier delivery importations. Second, the medication must be for “personal medical use,” not, my friends, for blasting up your maximum bench press or just generally slapping on some size. Third, at best, the statute only exempts the individual from the Controlled Substances Act, not from the complicated matrix of other federal laws (like FDA regulations, for example) or from the prosecution for violation of state or local laws. Fourth, the medication must be lawfully obtained and properly declared (which few bodybuilders seem to do, given the previously mentioned rejection of bodybuilding as a valid medical use) as required by the Attorney General’s regulations. Fifth and last, since Mexican veterinary products are not for humans, they can hardly be claimed under the personal medical use exemption unless they are for an animal accompanying you. Now, might there be occasional instances of relaxed enforcement discretion where Customs inspectors allow some folks to enter with declared Mexican anabolics even though one or more of the exemption criteria aren’t met? While it’s been reported to me that such instances have occurred, only a fool would count on it. Nobody can say with certainty what might actually happen at any particular border crossing on any given day."

That's the law; act accordingly. BTW, with all due respect to Del Rio Customs, 10ml = 1 unit of AAS under federal law (USSG).

 

[bbkingpin]

Rick--
I think the requirement that "the importation of the controlled substance for personal medical use [be] authorized or permitted under other federal laws and state law," 21 CFR § 1301.26(c), is not something that the Customs agents are concerned with. Even though it may be illegal under other Fed or state law, I don't think the Customs agents are their to police that aspect. I think the agents at customs concern themselves with the other aspects of the reg -- i.e., med is in original container, it is declared, for personal use, and trade/chemical name appears on the container. I think you can then get it over, even though you may be in violation of other fed or state laws.

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

Don't forget the valid script from a physician prescribing the meds for the treatment of a medically determined condition.

I agree with KingPin, the function of BICE inspectors is to prevent the smuggling of contraband and/or the avoidance of taxes and duties at the border or port of entry. But that doesn't mean that an inspector couldn't clear someone at customs and then alert local police, in.. say, oh, I dunno, Frio County, Texas. You've probably all read the case of Dianne Wright in LEGAL MUSCLE, I find it suspicious that a local cop would make a simple traffic stop for speeding, and with no other surrounding circumstances, suddenly feel compelled to specifically ask: "do you have any prescription medications in the car?"

RW

 

[bbkingpin]

Don't forget the valid script from a physician prescribing the meds for the treatment of a medically determined condition.

RW

You don't need a Rx from a physician to bring over the border.

"Under the newly amended exemption, an American who enters the U.S. through an international land border with a controlled substance (except a substance in schedule I) for which the individual doesn’t have a valid prescription in accordance with applicable federal and state law (or documentation that verifies the issuance of such a prescription to that individual) is limited to no more than fifty (50) dosage units. [21 U.S.C. § 956(a)(2)]"

 

[bbkingpin]

But that doesn't mean that an inspector couldn't clear someone at customs and then alert local police, in.. say, oh, I dunno, Frio County, Texas. You've probably all read the case of Dianne Wright in LEGAL MUSCLE, I find it suspicious that a local cop would make a simple traffic stop for speeding, and with no other surrounding circumstances, suddenly feel compelled to specifically ask: "do you have any prescription medications in the car?"

RW

She should've parked her car on the USA side and walked over or took the bus. Then no customs agent could know her license plate number to pass along to local police.

Also, I know in Calif the local police routinely stop traffic on the 5 (or 805) about 30 miles inside the border. They know people are returning from the border and may routinely ask about prescription meds. She should've answered "no."

Keep your meds in the trunk until you get home. They cannot search your car on a routine traffic stop, unless you are arrested for something and they impound your car. Or if the meds are in "plain sight". If they ask you if they can look in your trunk, just say "no you may not." Consent is a lawful basis to search -- even if you give it reluctantly or because you don't know of your right to refuse consent. Oftentimes, the bastards will say "open your trunk" as if it's an order. And the average Joe Citizen will do so. The bastards know that 99% of the population don't know their rights. And they lie too. They will say you gave your consent. Why did O.J. go free? Because the "reasonable doubt" was the distrust of, not just those cops in particular (like Mark Fuhrman), but all cops in general.

Even if the cops make an illegal search, you may not have the money to get a lawyer, or one with enough knowledge and cutzpah to get the evidence suppressed due to the illegal search. And if he does: (1) you don't get the legal fees back; (2) you have already been incarcerated (for how long depends upon if or when you made bail); and (3) you wont get the evidence back. Either way the cops fucked you. Don't take chances. Or take all the precautions possible.

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

You don't need a Rx from a physician to bring over the border.

Agreed, if Dianne Wright had a valid prescription for diazepam or alprazolam for the treatment of her anxiety, from an MD in Texas with a DEA reg number, she wouldn't have been consulting with a doctor in Me-hico.


"Fourth, the medication must be lawfully obtained and properly declared (which few bodybuilders seem to do, given the previously mentioned rejection of bodybuilding as a valid medical use)"

RW

 

[bbkingpin]

You don't need a Rx from a physician to bring over the border.

Agreed, if Dianne Wright had a valid prescription for diazepam or alprazolam for the treatment of her anxiety, from an MD in Texas with a DEA reg number, she wouldn't have been consulting with a doctor in Me-hico.


"Fourth, the medication must be lawfully obtained and properly declared (which few bodybuilders seem to do, given the previously mentioned rejection of bodybuilding as a valid medical use)"

RW

If she had a vaild USA script, she likely would have insurance to pay for the meds. Things like Valium and pain killers are not cheap in Mexico, at least not TJ. Valium is very cheap even without a co-pay in the USA. There are so many generics now. She should've gone to Dr. Feelgood -- there are a lot of struggling doctors (who need patients) or just plain unscrupulous doctors in the USA.

Do you need a Rx for human grade steroids in Mexico? I do not know. But I know that the farmacias down there can get you an Rx. But after all of that expense, why not just buy domestic? But if you have a Mexican Rx from a doctor in Mexico, I doubt you could be incarcerated in USA for possession of the prescribed meds. When foreigners enter the USA with their meds, they don't get shit for it. What if you got sick overseas on vacation and went to a Doctor there and came home with meds. Are you breaking the law?

I think she got busted because, obviously, (1) upon questioning by the cop she admitted possession of the meds and (2) they were scheduled drugs (high abuse potential). The importation laws were motivated by very sick people who need non-FDA approved meds and older people who take lots of meds -- for high blood pressure, arthritis, etc. -- that medicaid does not cover.

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

Dianne Wright had a script written by a Mexican physician. She was not only arrested, she was prosecuted and went through two appeals before being vindicated. The appellate court decisons give some insight as to why she was arrested. One of the opinions even quotes the 1948 John Huston film Treasure of the Sierra Madre: "Bad-jay? We don't need no steenkin bad-jay!"


RW

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Valium is not cheap in the US. An ex-girlfriend ran out of her "brain candy" prescription one night and we had to go to Walgreens to refill it. She was broke, had no insurance, but was totally freaking out and having a severe panic attack so I paid for it. 120 of the 5mg Valium pills cost 160 dollars. I nearly shat my pants when the pharmacist rang it up. I know for a fact that Roche brand V's can be found for 1/4th of that from overseas pharmacies. Pharm companies here are criminal enterprises.

 

[oubeta]

Just got back from mexico. I went to a great vet who gave me his card. He told me to claim it so I did. Me and my girl claimed 50 units each. 5 10cc bottles. the us customs guy seemed cool and he told me that they made it legal to bring across 18 months ago. He told me I could only bring 5 over at a time. I asked him if they log them in a computer or anything. He said I ould go over as many times as I wanted and bring only 5 back each time. He said if I were to try to smuggle it back without claiming it than I could get into shit. That is why wou hear of people getting busted. Jusgt the same as sneakin fruit over or something. Anyway I got what I needed.

Now since it's legal to bring over, for some reason I think i'd go to jail in Oklahoma if I got pulled over with it. How can this be?

 

[Rick Collins]

You lucked out. The Customs inspector was right about the fact that you can get into bigger trouble for smuggling juice (not declaring it). But he misinterpreted the law [21 U.S.C. § 956(a)(2)], which was explained earlier in this thread. What did you tell him your "valid medical purpose" was?

 

[oubeta]

They never asked. ON one crossing he asked if it was for maintaing test of making more test, I said both he he looked puzzled and said OK, that was the only time anyone has asked.

 

[brownpaperbag04]

Hey OUBETA and everyone else...great posts. I have been thinking about going to Mexico for a while...and this really makes me want to go. I was wondering a few things though...
1) oubeta said you contacted a vet...is there any benefit to going to a vet instead of a pharmacy. ...can't they legally both sell you stuff w/o a prescription?
2) what are the prices like down there? ...is there any benefit to taking a little longer trip and not going to the first boarder town (i.e. lower prices, less fakes, etc.)?