Mental sides of tren and long cycles

[ImAbe]

There are lots of guys out there that don't run tren longer than 10 weeks simply because of the mental sides, depression, aggression, panic, paranoia, you guys mention anymore that you've been through. I read a lot about how tren not only suppresses the active serotonin in your brain, it actually suppresses your brains ability to make more, the reason I mention this is I am currently on an ssri which basically allows all the serotonin my brain makes to build up and stick around, I am more prone to anxiety, depression, paranoia etc than most which is why I was on an ssri to start with but I find at 11 weeks into 600mg tren e per week I'm as fine as when I started, I feel strongly that the ssri has everything to do with this, I will be going to 16 weeks and mental sides are the LEAST of my concerns even for someone as prone to panic and the those shit feelings as myself, I did test this theory 2 weeks ago and went off the ssri (cipralex) and wow what a fucken shit storm, I even ended up getting booted out of the forum, wasn't pretty, what do you guys think

 

[dylangemelli]

i think that 16 weeks of tren is completely nuts and should not even be considered...

 

[Capitano]

In my experience with depression,anxiety, and panic tren wasn't to the point where I was like fk I need to go to the hospital. But as myself being on meds. After several weeks of tren E. I did start to become a little maniacal and paranoi was setting in. Everyone is different and symptoms crept up on me suddenly, being as it was enth. It took even longer to go away. IMHO if you have any history of mental illness you are just asking for problems unless you are a gluten for punishment. Also I do stay on gear for a long fkin time but that's just slow release test. Tren is a dirty drug 16 weeks of it and u may regret what u have done to yourself.

 

[ImAbe]

i think that 16 weeks of tren is completely nuts and should not even be considered...

Because of the physical sides or the mental sides? like I said, mental is all good, unless I just think that and have in fact lost my mind already lol

 

[stevesmi]

if you suffer from any of those things then tren will simply make it worse.

same thing with high blood pressure or anything physical.

but if you a HEALTHY ADULT MALE and you run it at a smart dose and for a smart duration you will be fine. doesn't sound like you fit that bill my friend.

 

[ImAbe]

if you suffer from any of those things then tren will simply make it worse.

same thing with high blood pressure or anything physical.

but if you a HEALTHY ADULT MALE and you run it at a smart dose and for a smart duration you will be fine. doesn't sound like you fit that bill my friend.

Just took bp it's 180/99 82

 

[zwhit]

I agree with everyone else. Tren is going to be hell on your body for 16 weeks whether you feel it or not.

 

[zwhit]

Just took bp it's 180/99 82

you realize that's not good at all, right? it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing and should stop all drugs immediately

 

[ImAbe]

you realize that's not good at all, right? it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing and should stop all drugs immediately

I was starin at some cougars ass when I took that plus I jogged in, I assure you I know what I'm doing, this isn't about me and my cycle it's about the serotonin factor, 11 weeks into my cycle getting all the tests done now, if all is well I may extend if not then I'm out, I'm not a fool, and someone that has chosen to try an ssri for anxiety isn't necessarily an unhealthy individual btw

 

[zwhit]

I was starin at some cougars ass when I took that plus just got in from running, I assure you I know what I'm doing, this isn't about me and my cycle it's about the serotonin factor, 11 weeks into my cycle getting all the tests done now, if all is well I may extend if not then I'm out, I'm not a fool

running tren for 16 weeks is foolish, IMO. how old are you and what are your stats?

 

[ImAbe]

33 m
199lbs
5'8
11%bf

 

[kc17]

Wrap up your cycle next week !! Take the proper time off then jump on it again .

 

[Jigga14]

Wrap up your cycle next week !! Take the proper time off then jump on it again .

Follow his advice if you value your health for the long term!

 

[stevesmi]

I was starin at some cougars ass when I took that plus I jogged in, I assure you I know what I'm doing, this isn't about me and my cycle it's about the serotonin factor, 11 weeks into my cycle getting all the tests done now, if all is well I may extend if not then I'm out, I'm not a fool, and someone that has chosen to try an ssri for anxiety isn't necessarily an unhealthy individual btw

take your blood pressure over a series of time frames while calm and rested.

but sounds by your stats you are healthy but what irked me was what your first post listed as possible mental issues. consider yourself lucky none of those things came up.

definately be wary though of them in the future. if you care about recovery then wrap things up and cycle off.. you will get em next cycle. for the good of your HPTA and health.

16 weeks is unnecssary for tren. primo and EQ are another story, those take a while.. but tren ace and E both build up fast in the body so no need to go past 12 weeks.

 

[ImAbe]

So hard to say good bye to tren, so fucken great fun, but you all are right, next week is it then pct, it's been fun tren, you really understand me but it's time for me to go home, I'll be back though in about 16 weeks, try not to fuck too many guys until I get back you fkn whore!!!!!

 

[Texas Monster]

So hard to say good bye to tren, so fucken great fun, but you all are right, next week is it then pct, it's been fun tren, you really understand me but it's time for me to go home, I'll be back though in about 16 weeks, try not to fuck too many guys until I get back you fkn whore!!!!!

Your receptor cells, liver, kidneys, brain, heart, thyroid, and endocrine system in general need a whole hell of a lot longer break than 16 weeks.

Take like a year or two off. Enjoy life and spend time with the people that make you happy. It seems like you have fallen into the trap of relying on a drug to make you happy which is sad.

I hope that you find yourself in the near future and realize what you have been doing to your self. Get lots of blood tests as well as some rest. You are going to need it.

 

[ALIN]

There are lots of guys out there that don't run tren longer than 10 weeks simply because of the mental sides, depression, aggression, panic, paranoia, you guys mention anymore that you've been through. I read a lot about how tren not only suppresses the active serotonin in your brain, it actually suppresses your brains ability to make more, the reason I mention this is I am currently on an ssri which basically allows all the serotonin my brain makes to build up and stick around, I am more prone to anxiety, depression, paranoia etc than most which is why I was on an ssri to start with but I find at 11 weeks into 600mg tren e per week I'm as fine as when I started, I feel strongly that the ssri has everything to do with this, I will be going to 16 weeks and mental sides are the LEAST of my concerns even for someone as prone to panic and the those shit feelings as myself, I did test this theory 2 weeks ago and went off the ssri (cipralex) and wow what a fucken shit storm, I even ended up getting booted out of the forum, wasn't pretty, what do you guys think

Never let a drug take control of you. Take less TREN and do shorter duration cycles. If it messes with your head that bad,,dont use it.

 

[ImAbe]

Your receptor cells, liver, kidneys, brain, heart, thyroid, and endocrine system in general need a whole hell of a lot longer break than 16 weeks.

Take like a year or two off. Enjoy life and spend time with the people that make you happy. It seems like you have fallen into the trap of relying on a drug to make you happy which is sad.

I hope that you find yourself in the near future and realize what you have been doing to your self. Get lots of blood tests as well as some rest. You are going to need it.

Holy shit man your scaring me, you may be right though, someone chime in

 

[Gunslinger007]

I'm with Texas on this one. Myself, I love Anavar, but a couple weeks in, and it starts making me really aggressive/angry, I am definitely a happier person when I'm off. Being on cycle, you can kind of get tunnel-vision and you have no idea how drastic the change is in your personality, until you come off and look back.

Get back to living and enjoying your life, bro, you'll realize how great it feels to be you again.

 

[CSB]

12 weeks is my usual run on tren, round weeks 11 i know its time to stop.i did stupidly in the past run it 6 months and it made me a very subdeud and unhappy person. I took 8 months off tren after that.i now run 5 htp with tren and have just started my next cycle with tren a

 

[Texas Monster]

12 weeks is my usual run on tren, round weeks 11 i know its time to stop.i did stupidly in the past run it 6 months and it made me a very subdeud and unhappy person. I took 8 months off tren after that.i now run 5 htp with tren and have just started my next cycle with tren a

Woah you ran tren for 6 months? Like as in 24 weeks straight? How did your kidneys and liver survive?

 

[CSB]

Basically ran it 12 weeks came off a few weeks and then switched to tritren and ran another 12 weeks.liver and kidneys fine from what i could tell,i keep a very close eye on any physical sides of exceptional stress although thats a very superficial way of looking at it.main problems for me was mental and emotional.i took alot of time off from tren from there

 

[joeblow12345]

I have never ran tren longer than 12 weeks. But during those 12 I was fine. I dont have any anger issues, I get more aggressive while lifting. But this is good for lifting more weight. My demeanor towards people doesnt change. I feel it just depends on the person.

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[TravFlex91]

Your receptor cells, liver, kidneys, brain, heart, thyroid, and endocrine system in general need a whole hell of a lot longer break than 16 weeks.

Take like a year or two off. Enjoy life and spend time with the people that make you happy. It seems like you have fallen into the trap of relying on a drug to make you happy which is sad.

I hope that you find yourself in the near future and realize what you have been doing to your self. Get lots of blood tests as well as some rest. You are going to need it.

Receptors I disagree with. If his liver and kidneys are in good shape in 16 weeks he could easily run it again.
Also as long as his levels revert back to normal.

 

[Texas Monster]

Receptors I disagree with. If his liver and kidneys are in good shape in 16 weeks he could easily run it again.
Also as long as his levels revert back to normal.

So once you get back to normal again its ok to hit it again? Just wondering because I want to squeeze in another cycle before next summer. I am coming off now of a deca, test, tren, mast, var ,wiiny, cycle. So as long as I get my hpta back to normal Its ok to hit it again say after 4 months. I was on for 5 months. Is that enough time to give my receptor cells a break. Also will be checking blood tests for kidney and liver to see if they are readdy to go.

 

[ImAbe]

I would never do this but have any I you heard of GH15, he says he and the guys he knows NEVER come off tren, they run low doses on their time off so they don't lose any muscle then blast again, that to me is crazy so I just figured if I was all good at 12 weeks why not go longer like 20 if I kept seeing gains, honestly though at 11 weeks I can feel the tole it's taking an have to come off next week, the tension alone is the reason, mental sides are fine because of the ssri, not sure how I would have felt without it, next time I'll run 5-htp with the ssri, should be golden, the tension I'm talking about feels like hyper tension, time to relax

 

[zwhit]

I would never do this but have any I you heard of GH15, he says he and the guys he knows NEVER come off tren, they run low doses on their time off so they don't lose any muscle then blast again, that to me is crazy so I just figured if I was all good at 12 weeks why not go longer like 20 if I kept seeing gains, honestly though at 11 weeks I can feel the tole it's taking an have to come off next week, the tension alone is the reason, mental sides are fine because of the ssri, not sure how I would have felt without it, next time I'll run 5-htp with the ssri, should be golden, the tension I'm talking about feels like hyper tension, time to relax

If your blood pressure is still anywhere near 180, you can be damn sure what you feel is hypertension. And whoever GH15 is must not care about his heart if he stays on tren.

 

[TravFlex91]

So once you get back to normal again its ok to hit it again? Just wondering because I want to squeeze in another cycle before next summer. I am coming off now of a deca, test, tren, mast, var ,wiiny, cycle. So as long as I get my hpta back to normal Its ok to hit it again say after 4 months. I was on for 5 months. Is that enough time to give my receptor cells a break. Also will be checking blood tests for kidney and liver to see if they are readdy to go.

K. Receptors do NOT refresh.
Steroids do not in fact down regulate receptors. They have short half lives therefore the idea of refreshing or taking time to clean them out or whatever the fuxk is a bullshit myth.

 

[ImAbe]

K. Receptors do NOT refresh.
Steroids do not in fact down regulate receptors. They have short half lives therefore the idea of refreshing or taking time to clean them out or whatever the fuxk is a bullshit myth.

So the time off then is simply to give your body a chance to be substance free and get back to normal hormone production until you giver again

 

[TravFlex91]

So the time off then is simply to give your body a chance to be substance free and get back to normal hormone production until you giver again

Also give your liver and kidneys etc time to recuperate

 

[ImAbe]

Also give your liver and kidneys etc time to recuperate

I can believe the kidneys need time to recuperate, my piss has been a dark beer color this whole time, like rust, it's the tren, common for tren, and what a fkn smell, I have to flush the toilet right after I piss every time or the next person in there almost pukes haha, it's kinda funny, my 7 year old since he was potty trained has always ran to the bathroom when I was in there because he wants to race and see who can pee faster but since I started this cycle he followed me into the bathroom for a pee race and almost puked my piss smelled so bad, I fkn laughed my ass off let me tell you and that was the last time he has tried to race me

 

[MattJS]

Bro, to be honest I don't think steroids are a good choice for you, you've got a potentially dangerous cocktail of drugs there man, if your piss is orange you need to drink at least double the amount of water you are and I think the best advice for you is come off the steroids, run an airtight PCT and concentrate on training naturally, eating well and getting those other aspects of your health in better order...

 

[stevesmi]

when you stop tren E it will take weeks for it to even get to low levels in the body. probably a good 5 weeks, maybe 6..

then we are talking weeks for the body to pickup depending on how good you prepared the body during cycle and kickstarted pct, and then pct. etc. and then time off to bridge. i would give it 2-3 months before you ever touch AAS. that is if you care about your bodies long term health.

as far as the receptor arguement. lets remember the more you take the more you will need to take the next time around. and so on. the body will get used to dosages just like anything else. its a good idea to switch brands, switch dosages, switch types of AAS, keep things clicking around to keep the body off guard. if you run the same cycle over and over and over again its not as good as changing things up. no different than working out and doing the same workout everyday.

people don't believe me that i spend most of the year off juice and i only run 350mg of tren a week, plus an oral (no test).. thats it. the reason i can get away with that is i haven't got into the habit of running 2 grams of juice for long periods and i make sure i change things up and keep things clicking along. so when i do run juice i get tremendous results even at LOW doses while someone else would need twice or 3X the amount plus test on top of it.

no way a guy who runs 3 grams of juice for 6 straight months can come off, recover, and then go back on quickly running the doses i run and get anywhere. call it what you want but his body is not gonna react anymore to 300mg of juice, its gonna want 3K

 

[TravFlex91]

when you stop tren E it will take weeks for it to even get to low levels in the body. probably a good 5 weeks, maybe 6..

then we are talking weeks for the body to pickup depending on how good you prepared the body during cycle and kickstarted pct, and then pct. etc. and then time off to bridge. i would give it 2-3 months before you ever touch AAS. that is if you care about your bodies long term health.

as far as the receptor arguement. lets remember the more you take the more you will need to take the next time around. and so on. the body will get used to dosages just like anything else. its a good idea to switch brands, switch dosages, switch types of AAS, keep things clicking around to keep the body off guard. if you run the same cycle over and over and over again its not as good as changing things up. no different than working out and doing the same workout everyday.

people don't believe me that i spend most of the year off juice and i only run 350mg of tren a week, plus an oral (no test).. thats it. the reason i can get away with that is i haven't got into the habit of running 2 grams of juice for long periods and i make sure i change things up and keep things clicking along. so when i do run juice i get tremendous results even at LOW doses while someone else would need twice or 3X the amount plus test on top of it.

no way a guy who runs 3 grams of juice for 6 straight months can come off, recover, and then go back on quickly running the doses i run and get anywhere. call it what you want but his body is not gonna react anymore to 300mg of juice, its gonna want 3K

I completely agree except when it comes to receptors. People act like they are used to the gear they are taking when really they haven't taken the appropriate steps to accommodate the new gains etc. so of course you plateaud etc. aas actually up regulate AR, so the idea that you need to wait to refresh them, or that they get used to the compounds is bogus... You can run the same lame, the same gear, the same dosage every time, as long as you ensure your body is in good health and the last compounds are out of your body etc. and you will see results. The half lives of ar are extremely short so there is no scientifically proven way for them to grow accustomed to any aas.

 

[TravFlex91]

When your off you cycle through them every 3.2 hours...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ i have no idea about the receptor thing. I'm not sure we will ever know 100% that arguement.

but i do know that guys that abuse steroids (high doses, starting too young and long cycles) have a more difficult time recovering and usually go on TRT at a young age.

thats something i want to avoid atleast until i am into my 50's

 

[TravFlex91]

^^^ i have no idea about the receptor thing. I'm not sure we will ever know 100% that arguement.

but i do know that guys that abuse steroids (high doses, starting too young and long cycles) have a more difficult time recovering and usually go on TRT at a young age.

thats something i want to avoid atleast until i am into my 50's

Oh he'll yeah brother. I don't want any of that

 

[Texas Monster]

^^^ i have no idea about the receptor thing. I'm not sure we will ever know 100% that arguement.

but i do know that guys that abuse steroids (high doses, starting too young and long cycles) have a more difficult time recovering and usually go on TRT at a young age.

thats something i want to avoid atleast until i am into my 50's

How would you know if you needed to be placed on TRT. Is there a certain time after PCT that there is really no coming back to normal.

Example say someone did a 25 week cycle, 19 weeks of EQ and 6 weeks to clear with test. Then PCT then how long after PCT would you wait to be considered to be put on TRT? Say you get your bloods back at start of PCT then at the end. If they do not change do you give it a few months to see if your HPTA will kick back in? or would it just be a good Idea to hop on TRT right away.