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Melatonin basically is BS for sleep

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How many of you used melatonin and slept better

  • No, but I still fell for the marketing and bought it several times

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  • Never tried and dont know know what it is

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BrothaBill

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By Peggy Peck, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
February 10, 2006
MedPage Today Action Points

* Explain to patients who ask that melatonin appears to be safe for short term use, but it is unlikely to improve a sleep disorder associated with medical conditions or a sleep disorder resulting from restricted sleep such as jet lag or work shifts.

Review
EDMONTON, Alberta, Feb. 10 - A Canadian group has issued a wake up alert on melatonin, the circadian-rhythm hormone that has been touted as the cure-all for jet leg. It doesn't work.

There is no evidence that exogenous melatonin, the hormone that regulates the body's inner clock , is effective for sleep disorders associated with shift work or jet lag, Nina Buscemi, Ph.D., of the University of Alberta and colleagues reported today in BMJ.

Put another way, melatonin cannot guarantee a good night's sleep to jet-lagged travelers or weary shift workers, said the investigators on the basis of a meta-analysis of 32 randomized controlled trials.

On the other hand, the analysis confirmed that short-term use of exogenous melatonin is safe.

For people with secondary sleep disorders, melatonin was associated with a slight increase in sleep duration (10 minutes) and this effect was statistically significant, but the authors said that based on advice from clinical sleep experts they "considered this effect to be clinically unimportant, due to its small magnitude."

For years melatonin, a hormone that is secreted by the pineal gland has been touted as the key to the body's inner clock, has been promoted as a natural non-prescription remedy for sleep disorders, especially jet lag.

The authors analyzed data from studies of melatonin for management of secondary sleep disorders and sleep problems associated with sleep restriction.

Among the findings:

* Six trials of 97 participants with secondary sleep disorders showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep- onset latency.
* Nine trials that investigated melatonin in 427 people with sleep restriction (shift work or jet lag) showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep latency.
* 17 trials that investigated the short term use of melatonin in 651 participants found no evidence of adverse effects.

The authors noted that other reviews have credited melatonin with eliminating daytime fatigue associated with jet lag, an aspect of jet lag that Dr. Buscemi and colleagues did not investigate.

Finally, the authors limited the analysis to studies of short-term use of melatonin, thus these results may not be applicable to safety with long term use.

Primary source: BMJ
Source reference:
Buscemi N et al "Efficacy and safety of exogenous melatonin for secondary sleep disorders and sleep disorders accompanying sleep restriction: meta-analysis." BMJ Online First doi10.1136/bmj387631.532766.F6





HOW many of you wasted money on Melatonin and then told people you felt the "effects" that made you sleep better?
 
I took it last summer while preparing for my shows but DID use it in conjuction with Ambien......after taking it - I did feel sleepy.....
 
I've taken it and it helps a little if you don't have major sleep problems; it knocks you out a little quicker. Nyquil still works better though.
 
jenscats5 said:
I took it last summer while preparing for my shows but DID use it in conjuction with Ambien......after taking it - I did feel sleepy.....

Did you know that if you take 30mg of Ambien you will see "flying hamburgers"?
 
Never tried it but now know what it is.

The chemist next door sells everything over the counter. When I can't sleep she gives me magic purple and blue tablets that give me sweet dreams.
 
JarheadChiro said:
Brotha Bill, is there anything effective that is not through scrip?

antihistamines like dyphenhydramine are the otc choice, herbal stuff Im sure are sold but going into an herbal store is like stepping back to the stoneage and witchcraft in science if you listen to them talk with fake claims
 
it gives me freaky ass dreams, last time i had this dream that one of my old high school teachers was trying to get me to fuck him.


i took 9mg though
 
I don't have sleeping disorders but every once in a while when I want to catch up on sleep and/or aleep in I'll take 3-6mg and I know for sure it works, cause it knocks me out and I'll be really groggy the next day, like vicodin or nyquil after effect.
 
PoisonDouche said:
I don't have sleeping disorders but every once in a while when I want to catch up on sleep and/or aleep in I'll take 3-6mg and I know for sure it works, cause it knocks me out and I'll be really groggy the next day, like vicodin or nyquil after effect.

The placebo force is strong within you

Put another way, melatonin cannot guarantee a good night's sleep to jet-lagged travelers or weary shift workers, said the investigators on the basis of a meta-analysis of 32 randomized controlled trials.


Among the findings:

* Six trials of 97 participants with secondary sleep disorders showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep- onset latency.
* Nine trials that investigated melatonin in 427 people with sleep restriction (shift work or jet lag) showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep latency.
 
Melatonin has a variable effect on me. Sometimes it'll knock me down, sometimes I get nothing. When it does put me out, I'll sleep through the night with no interruptions and wake up with a groggy melatonin hangover.
 
string_bean00 said:
it gives me freaky ass dreams, last time i had this dream that one of my old high school teachers was trying to get me to fuck him.


i took 9mg though


HAHAHHA

man, I dont think I'd want to go that high on doses.

I thought 3mg was as high as you wanted to go on the Melatonin???
 
BrothaBill said:
By Peggy Peck, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
February 10, 2006
MedPage Today Action Points

* Explain to patients who ask that melatonin appears to be safe for short term use, but it is unlikely to improve a sleep disorder associated with medical conditions or a sleep disorder resulting from restricted sleep such as jet lag or work shifts.

Review
EDMONTON, Alberta, Feb. 10 - A Canadian group has issued a wake up alert on melatonin, the circadian-rhythm hormone that has been touted as the cure-all for jet leg. It doesn't work.

There is no evidence that exogenous melatonin, the hormone that regulates the body's inner clock , is effective for sleep disorders associated with shift work or jet lag, Nina Buscemi, Ph.D., of the University of Alberta and colleagues reported today in BMJ.

Put another way, melatonin cannot guarantee a good night's sleep to jet-lagged travelers or weary shift workers, said the investigators on the basis of a meta-analysis of 32 randomized controlled trials.

On the other hand, the analysis confirmed that short-term use of exogenous melatonin is safe.

For people with secondary sleep disorders, melatonin was associated with a slight increase in sleep duration (10 minutes) and this effect was statistically significant, but the authors said that based on advice from clinical sleep experts they "considered this effect to be clinically unimportant, due to its small magnitude."

For years melatonin, a hormone that is secreted by the pineal gland has been touted as the key to the body's inner clock, has been promoted as a natural non-prescription remedy for sleep disorders, especially jet lag.

The authors analyzed data from studies of melatonin for management of secondary sleep disorders and sleep problems associated with sleep restriction.

Among the findings:

* Six trials of 97 participants with secondary sleep disorders showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep- onset latency.
* Nine trials that investigated melatonin in 427 people with sleep restriction (shift work or jet lag) showed no evidence that melatonin had an effect on sleep latency.
* 17 trials that investigated the short term use of melatonin in 651 participants found no evidence of adverse effects.

The authors noted that other reviews have credited melatonin with eliminating daytime fatigue associated with jet lag, an aspect of jet lag that Dr. Buscemi and colleagues did not investigate.

Finally, the authors limited the analysis to studies of short-term use of melatonin, thus these results may not be applicable to safety with long term use.

Primary source: BMJ
Source reference:
Buscemi N et al "Efficacy and safety of exogenous melatonin for secondary sleep disorders and sleep disorders accompanying sleep restriction: meta-analysis." BMJ Online First doi10.1136/bmj387631.532766.F6





HOW many of you wasted money on Melatonin and then told people you felt the "effects" that made you sleep better?

The placebo effect is worh gold BB. Way to ruin it for everyone.
 
Sleep-anticipating effects of melatonin in the human brain.

Gorfine T, Assaf Y, Goshen-Gottstein Y, Yeshurun Y, Zisapel N.

Department of Neurobiochemistry, The George S. Wise Faculty of Life Sciences, Tel-Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel.

Melatonin, the hormone produced nocturnally by the pineal gland, is an endogenous regulator of the sleep-wake cycle. The effects of melatonin on brain activities and their relation to induction of sleepiness were studied in a randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) study. Melatonin, but not placebo, reduced task-related activity in the rostro-medial aspect of the occipital cortex during a visual-search task and in the auditory cortex during a music task. These effects correlated with subjective measurements of fatigue. In addition, melatonin enhanced the activation in the left parahippocampus in an autobiographic memory task. Results demonstrate that melatonin modulates brain activity in a manner resembling actual sleep although subjects are fully awake. Furthermore, the fatigue inducing effect of melatonin on brain activity is essentially different from that of sleep deprivation thus revealing differences between fatigues related to the circadian sleep regulation as opposed to increased homeostatic sleep need. Our findings highlight the role of melatonin in priming sleep-associated brain activation patterns in anticipation of sleep.

PMID: 16427787 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
 
Melatonin makes wonders for me. Makes me sleep like a baby. I usually close my eyes, and open them 8 hours later like if it was 1 second. Melatonin IMPROVES sleep patterns, it doesn not treat or cure any other kind of disorder. That is ignorance. Is like trying to treat prostate cancer with saw palmetto, when you're already fucked.
 
haha, I was so psyched the first time I tried it, I ended up staying a wake all nite from the excitement from the thought of a chemically induced sleep.
 
Melatonin did not do crap for me.


Kava Kava works like a champ without leaving me too drowsy the next morning.

But NyQuil is a godsend.
 
I've used melatonin with mixed results and I've noticed that 0.5 is better than 3 mg
 
string_bean00 said:
it gives me freaky ass dreams, last time i had this dream that one of my old high school teachers was trying to get me to fuck him.


i took 9mg though

I always had trouble sleeping thru my 20s & 30s -- serial night owl. I tried melatonin - it worked a couple times,. but then it would knock me out for a couple hrs then I'd start having freaky ass dreams as well. No HS teachers involved, but some pretty whacked out stuff. That would last for an hour or two, and then I'd be stuck wide away staring at the ceiling until the alarm goes off.

I've also consumed mass quanitities of Nyquil in my day, but I'd be completely useless in the morning.

These days Diphenhydromine HCl is pretty reliable. If not, I'll break out the vibrator.

Well, not just when one can't sleep, but it does relax one.

Or maybe that's when the freaky ass dreams start.

I dunno.

Anyway.

Back to topic.
 
Sassy69 said:
I always had trouble sleeping thru my 20s & 30s -- serial night owl. I tried melatonin - it worked a couple times,. but then it would knock me out for a couple hrs then I'd start having freaky ass dreams as well. No HS teachers involved, but some pretty whacked out stuff. That would last for an hour or two, and then I'd be stuck wide away staring at the ceiling until the alarm goes off.

I've also consumed mass quanitities of Nyquil in my day, but I'd be completely useless in the morning.

These days Diphenhydromine HCl is pretty reliable. If not, I'll break out the vibrator.

Well, not just when one can't sleep, but it does relax one.

Or maybe that's when the freaky ass dreams start.

I dunno.

Anyway.

Back to topic.
how about some casual cunnilingus?
 
anthrax said:
I've used melatonin with mixed results and I've noticed that 0.5 is better than 3 mg

same here. For me 1mg is perfect. anything higher get me crazy dreams and night sweats.
 
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