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May I frontload test if.....

Dai Kaioushin

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Hi all

Just a stupid question: May I frontload sutanon with 750 or even 1000 mg If I'm a first time testosterone user? I've shoot 1 cc yesterday and everything seems normal :)
 
You can...but I wouldn't. For your first cycle, just stick with 250-500mg/WK and see how it affects you. I think you will be more than happy. It might take longer to kick in, but it's worth the wait!

Don't get greedy, gains will come.
 
I wouldnt drop that much test. I plan on front loading some testo @750 then going down to 500mg/week
 
I did my first cycle, 1000mg/week of Sustanon, plus EQ and dbol. I don't understand, how gram of Test can possibly shock the body? Our body metabolizes testosteron unbelivably easy.
The only reason, why would you be cautios, if you are using some questionable brand, like Bruce Lee's or Ttokkyo's Cyp, etc...
But, if it's european and not fake, it is very safe to frontoad a gram.
 
panerai said:
I did my first cycle, 1000mg/week of Sustanon, plus EQ and dbol. I don't understand, how gram of Test can possibly shock the body? Our body metabolizes testosteron unbelivably easy.
The only reason, why would you be cautios, if you are using some questionable brand, like Bruce Lee's or Ttokkyo's Cyp, etc...
But, if it's european and not fake, it is very safe to frontoad a gram.

And I thought you were an intelligent person....
 
Listen to 2thick...his train of thought towards this is smart and taking future cycles into account. Do no more than 500mg you first cycle. You could frontload 1gram if you wanted to, but then where do you go from there?
 
panerai said:
I did my first cycle, 1000mg/week of Sustanon, plus EQ and dbol. I don't understand, how gram of Test can possibly shock the body? Our body metabolizes testosteron unbelivably easy.
The only reason, why would you be cautios, if you are using some questionable brand, like Bruce Lee's or Ttokkyo's Cyp, etc...
But, if it's european and not fake, it is very safe to frontoad a gram.

That is the problem, you don't inderstand. You gotta be carefull dispensing advice like this to a first time user. I would suggest a classic pyramid cycle for your first one. As for the dosage it's all a matter of opinion. I would suggest 250 weekly with maybe 1 or 2 weeks of 500 then back down.


Sincerely.
 
There really is no need to do that much right out of the box!! That is quite a bit and if you are a first-timer you should start smaller and go from there. A normal 500 - 2500mg for 8weeks is plenty to add a very good amount of muscle. Especially if you are stacking with something else. But if just test then you will still make good gains!
 
Hehe...2Thick..that's a low blow..

Guys, I gave advice based on my own experience, and the research I've done on the subject.
I got great results from using a gram of Test in my first cycle, and so far didn't go above 1200mg/week of Test, in contrary to 2Thick's theory about "room for increasing the dosage"
Cycling, stacking, meds for side effects worked well for me, and I'm very happy with my decision of starting that high.
As for research, there are multiple points why one will greatly benefit from a gram of Test comparing to half of it.
Also, by frontloading I don't mean shooting whole gram in the first day( even, I don't think, it is dangerous, but just not to scare some people who don't see further then their nose, and who think that EQ or Ttokkyo's Cyp is the same as any other Testosteron), actually, even when I using gram of Sust a week, it was split into four days.
Now, tell me, how fast our body metabolizes testosteron?
 
bro- you can always go up in dose if your not getting the gains you were hoping for. just start low see how your body respods to it, (everyone is different) and go from there.
 
Testosterone at high concentrations interacts with the human androgen receptor similarly to dihydrotestosterone.
Endocrinology 1990 Feb;126(2):1165-72 (ISSN: 0013-7227)

Grino PB; Griffin JE; Wilson JD [Find other articles with these Authors]
Department of Internal Medicine, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas 75235-8857.

Testosterone and dihydrotestosterone are believed to exert their androgenic effects by interacting with a single intracellular receptor protein in androgen target tissues. During fetal life, however, testosterone mediates the virilization of the Wolffian ducts into the epididymis, vas deferens, and seminal vesicles, whereas the urogenital sinus and external genitalia require the in situ conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone to undergo male development. The reason why the signal provided by testosterone needs to be amplified in some androgen target tissues but not in others remains an enigma. To provide insight into the different actions of these androgens we studied their interaction with the human androgen receptor in fibroblasts cultured from the genital skin of a patient with 5 alpha-reductase deficiency. Dihydrotestosterone was formed in negligible amounts in these cells, and in some experiments the residual 5 alpha-reductase activity was further blocked with the 5 alpha-reductase inhibitor finasteride. Saturation analysis in fibroblast monolayers disclosed similar amounts of binding with testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, and the affinity of binding of dihydrotestosterone was, on the average, about 2-fold greater than that of testosterone. [3H]Testosterone also exhibited a 5-fold faster dissociation rate from the receptor than [3H]dihydrotestosterone. In thermolability experiments the [3H]testosterone-receptor complex displayed marked instability at 42 C with 2 nM [3H] testosterone, whereas with 20 nM [3H]testosterone, receptor stability was similar to that seen with [3H]dihydrotestosterone. In up-regulation experiments, 2 nM [3H]testosterone produced a 34% increase in specific androgen receptor binding after 24 h, whereas 20 nM [3H]testosterone produced an average increase of 64%. Our results suggest that the weaker androgenic potency of testosterone compared to that of dihydrotestosterone resides in its weaker interaction with the androgen receptor, most clearly demonstrable as an increase in the dissociation rate of testosterone from the receptor. When present in relatively high concentrations, however, testosterone overcomes this defect by mass action.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS).
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Now, can't you see, why at one gram and higher Testosteron is producing "unexpected" improvement in gains?
 
if you really want to front load the test at 1000mgs for your first cycle do it for 2 weeks then hit 500mgs after that....i didnt do that but i dont see anything wrong with front loading for 2 weeks on your first cycle..its only 2 weeks then after that on week 3 hit 500mgs...
 
So, my question is:
- what is more harmful to the body, gram of testosteron a week, or 30mg/day of dbol?

I need Mods(2Thick) opinion...but, please, after you get sober, bro..
 
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