Masteron conflicting evidence

[deify]

After researching and reading about Masteron, the text on this drug preaches about masteron's lack of conversion to estrogen (DHT rather), and appears to be one of the safest drugs for hardening up. However, with my situation, already having slight gyno on one side, I'm frightened to use it after searching here and seeing posts about swollen nips, etc... I don't know if nolvadex would help as this could be progest gyno, or estrogen related, or whatever it is... I want to do a EQ/Masteron cycle (IP tabs @ 50 mgs/tab), but might have to spring for anavar instead of masteron (10mgs per tab)... I would get a lot more bang for my buck with the masteron, but it's not worth it to risk gyno... Help mods and vets, please...

 

[deify]

Bump for a single reply...

 

[Italianboy]

I know that masterone can't aromatize....no water retantion and no bloating.
People I know that have used masteron reported no sides...just some hair loss.

Dunno for the **'s masteron(and oral!! )

 

[Andy13]

It has been reported that **'s oral masteron is methyl DHT.

Real masteron won't aromatise. Chemically, it has a substituent added to it's second carbon... The other famous AAS for this is anadrol and winstrol. That doesn't mean that they are alike... or even similar..

It could be slightly pregestenic. (real masteron)

Andy

 

[ColumboWeiser]

How much of this would you need to use for a contest cutting cycle?

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

"masteron" tabs are not masteron, they are 17aa mestenalone. According to Pat Arnold this substance is what anadrol converts too.... don't know how true that is though.

bottom line is don't fool yourself into thinking it is real masteron. He does have real injectable masteron, but it is no ester and I had to shoot it at least 2x a day (did make me pretty hard though).

 

[CYCLEON]

hugh is correct, it mestanolone - i was the one who helped Ip figure out what it was - he says his med book is a few hours away. and andy its 17a-methyl-di-hydro-testosterone. some people are getting good results but not earth shattering, which is as expected.

 

[Andy13]

hugh is correct, it mestanolone - i was the one who helped Ip figure out what it was - he says his med book is a few hours away. and andy its 17a-methyl-di-hydro-testosterone. some people are getting good results but not earth shattering, which is as expected.

Dude- 17a-methyl-Di-Hydro-Testosterone is methyl DHT (mestanolone)

Masteron doesn't have the 17a but instead has a methyl group on the second carbon. Note: a methyl group is just a -CH3... A 2-methyl group IS NOT a 17 methyl group and the 2nd carbon and the 17th carbon are at opposite ends of the molecule.

Andy

 

[Squat]

ok yeah i agree!

too bad i slept during chemistry..

 

[Andy13]

"masteron" tabs are not masteron, they are 17aa mestenalone. According to Pat Arnold this substance is what anadrol converts too.... don't know how true that is though.

He said that!?!?!

That certainly wasn't one of his more coherant moments...

Kids, methyl DHT (mestenalone) DOES NOT convert to anadrol!

 

[Andy13]

Hugh- Did you like that masteron?

Why would *he* manage such a compound? There is absolutely NO reason why someone would prefer an un-esterified steroid... I just don't understand.

 

[CYCLEON]

oops andy, methyl-DHT yep!!

yes he is reputed to say that

There is a very simple explanation why some steroids do not bind much to the androgen receptor in-vitro, yet exert strong anabolic / androgenic effects in-vivo. Hey, I did not make up this explanation, it is the one accepted by the scientists themselves. You see, many drugs do not exert their effects in their original form but are instead metabolized into the active compounds. Such drugs are termed “prodrugs”. So even though these Class II compounds have negligible binding to the androgen receptor in their parent form, they have metabolites that do bind very well. For instance, oxymetholone (anadrol) metabolizes into 17alpha methyl-DHT (mestanolone) which binds very strongly to the AR. Furthermore, 4-AD metabolizes into testosterone doesn’t it? Well duh!!

 

[Andy13]

All I have to say is WOW.....

I'd love to see the article he is refering to.


Where did you get that?

 

[CYCLEON]

he's speaking against the 2 types of receptor theory

happy to oblige andy

www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/archives/anex_archive_issue27_Q%26APATARNOLD.htm+Pat+Arnold+mestanolone&hl=en]http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:a9LoYDvpSao:www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/ar...Q&APATARNOLD.htm+Pat+Arnold+mestanolone&hl=en[/URL]

 

[Andy13]

Anadrol has this hydroxymethylene group on it's second carbon... In order for it to convert to methyl DHT, that would have to be cleaved. I have never and I mean never seen a type of reaction like that on a steroid...

I'm going to have to call Pat out on that... It must have been a typo..

Andy

 

[deify]

OK, now you bro's have gone and skewed way from the topic at hand or it's just my ignorance in that does the masteron being 17aa cause gyno? I'm concerned about gyno remember, but would like to know if it is bad for my liver too... Thanks

-deify

 

[CYCLEON]

deify --------------------- point is there is no such thing as 17a masteron, at least not yet - Ip tabs are not masteron, they are mestanolone, a completely different roid - that said mestanolone doesnt cause aromatization (notice it's DHT so it cant aromataze) - the drug itself has been reported to give resonable gains and hardness - while the report on peopel taking the pills has been mixed, most have liked them - they are pretty low toxicity for a 17a.

anavar is also a good choice tho.

 

[deify]

ok, too much drama from the masteron... I will use EQ/Anavar/clenbuterol stack next cycle... This should do the trick... I'm way too skeptical about the IP's masteron...

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

I got really hard off his no-ester masteron, sorta the same hardness I get from tren. Best results were when I shot the stuff 2-3 times a day. I know that sounds crazy, and I've been flamed on other boards (coughhackmesoisfullofidiots) for saying that, but it does work better. the stuff fits through a 25g or 27g, so it is no big deal.

 

[Andy13]

I got really hard off his no-ester masteron, sorta the same hardness I get from tren. Best results were when I shot the stuff 2-3 times a day. I know that sounds crazy, and I've been flamed on other boards (coughhackmesoisfullofidiots) for saying that, but it does work better. the stuff fits through a 25g or 27g, so it is no big deal.

Oh believe me, bro... injecting 2-3 times a day is a must IMO with this 'no ester' crap...

AAS with no ester has a half life of only a couple of hours unless it is 17-aa.... then it's half is increased some.

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

yeah, you know you are a steroid junky when you carry a loaded pin to class and shoot it during break.

I might as well have just walked around toting an IV

 

[CYCLEON]

hugh - now thats an Idea!!!!!! - just carry your juice in an IV and when u nee dthat extra zip just flip the switch a little. Kinda like that bane guy in the clooney batman movie.

 

[Andy13]

Did somebody say "bane?"