Masteron And Winnie

[StereOMaN]

I'm finnishing a quick 7 week cycle of 100mg EOD Masteron P, 50mg ED Winnie (oral) with ECA. I have not gained a pound, which was my goal. I had planned to run a quick low horomone surpression cutter. My strength is through the roof, Cell Volume and Vascularity is way up while BF is way down. One of my best cycles I believe. Off topic tho.

I went ahead and bought up 15,000IU HCG and some Nolva, precautiously. However are these neccessary with this combination? I don't think that either Masteron or Winnie surpress Testosterone. Is there anything I'm missing why I should want to take HCG for PCT?

 

[fergie]

both winny and masteron are suppresive but your cycle would not require HCG IMO, just take nolva for pct

 

[georgie24]

masteron/winny

THE BEST SIMMER STACK BAR NONE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Pikaberdot]

I would've added Tren and Test.

 

[georgie24]

I would've added Tren and Test.

more drugs?


NOT!

 

[chaquito]

im on the same cycle and loving the results. def an effective combo

 

[Vascular Freak]

masteron and var bro...winstrol is too similar to masteron...you can only get so hard..the var will give a little muscle volume and masteron will dry/harden it like mad if your in shape

 

[gautho]

masteron and var bro...winstrol is too similar to masteron...you can only get so hard..the var will give a little muscle volume and masteron will dry/harden it like mad if your in shape

I definitely agree with VF, to me masteron only has its place in precontest BB''ing situations with BF% < 10%.

 

[StereOMaN]

I definitely agree with VF, to me masteron only has its place in precontest BB''ing situations with BF% < 10%.

I thought this cycle would raise a few eyebrows. Here's my thinking on it:

My resoning for adding Masteron in (appart from sheer curiousity) was its effects as a safety net for the nitrogen balance while cutting, while utilizing the winnie for its more anabolic properties. I planned for the the winnie to add muchos strength and hardness eating lots & lean for the start and as the masteron kicks in I could start up an ECA and drop my calories quite low consumption (maintaining constant low lean protien intake throughout the day) start cardio and continue the weight training without concern of losing any muscle.

Now what part the Masteron played I suppose is debateable but I have exceeded every goal I set and I keep getting bigger, harder, strength and endurance way up (without the ECA), and I have neither gained, nor lost a single pound. Very effective for a cutter, but its bulking me at the same time. I am just astounded at the results. Keep in mind this isn't a very heavy cylce, its short, low sides and low(er) suppression (compared to heavy androgens) and fairly cheep. But its not all pros... my joints hurt like phuck!!

Adding an adrogenic compound like Tren or Test, although yes highly synergistic and effective with win & mast just wasn't what I was looking for for my personal goals from this cycle, I did concider it. It as well would have made my cycle much more surpressive and upped the sides and the cost, although easily manageable, not a good trade off when they don't cater towards my goals in the end.

Thanks for the opinions. If I'm wrong about anything here or you have anything else to say shoot a reply because I'm not pro and all I've wrote is a compilation of info bits I've picked up around the site here to come up with this idea. More input on this the better for me and anyone else who is always learning from the posts here. Especially opinions on my PCT. I was under the impression that Masteron and Winnie did not require Nolva for PCT as aromatization was not an issue. However if I used HCG for PCT, which I don't see any reason not to but at the same time I'm not sure there is a need for it, the HCG would definately reinstate the need for Nolva. Opinions Plz! HCG or not to HCG that is the question!

 

[H_T_]

i just whipped up 67ml's of 150mgs. i'm wondering if i should run it with test e or prop. i have some winny, but it's oral.....fina might be a bit much...