"masking" steroids for a drug test

[BuffEnuf]

Can anyone shed any light on drug testing for steroids? Also if possible, is there any way to "mask" or cleanse your body (Kinda like the cleansing teas for pot-smokers) to pass a test? This is besides of course being natural.
This is very important so any help would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I have heard that anti-biotics clears out your receptors, if it is true, would it also clear out your system?

 

[dzuljas]

a doctor told me that drinking a lot of water definately helps....he also said high doses of vitamin c are helpful also

 

[5minsforfighting]

Hey bro I bought one from Kokopelli & Spike called steriod cleanse. I am an NCAA athlete and have it on hand just in case those jerkoffs trying making me piss. They give you something like 48 hours and supposively this works in 48 hours. Product is called steriod cleanse. I havent used it but I have it on hand just in case. Hope this helps

 

[nautica]

Give us some details of your situation, why you are being tested, what you have taken, your stats, ect... and then we can go from there.

if you don't feel comfortable posting it shoot me an email. [email protected]

Good luck
Nautica

 

[Hbone]

If you talking about NCAA then they look at test/epitest ratios, if that is the case you can add epitestosterone to the mix. If if olympic they test for motebolites of chemicals. If you try drink alot of water to dilute take in cranberry juice to adjust ph.

 

[nautica]

If you talking about NCAA then they look at test/epitest ratios, if that is the case you can add epitestosterone to the mix. If if olympic they test for motebolites of chemicals. If you try drink alot of water to dilute take in cranberry juice to adjust ph.

NCAA also test for epitestosterone and metabolites.

Nautica

 

[BuffEnuf]

I am going on probation starting sometime in October. I was busted for possesing anabolics.
Where can I find this steroid cleanse, at my local smoke shop?

 

[nautica]

I am going on probation starting sometime in October. I was busted for possesing anabolics.
Where can I find this steroid cleanse, at my local smoke shop?

No such thing. But, trust me on this one. The odds are definately in your favor. Most probation officers do not even know that there little $6 test does not test for anabolics. Most likely you will only be tested for street drugs. You just need to get smarter than they are and you will be fine.

You have several things in your advantage hear.

Tell us your steroid use when you got caught and when you got caught.

For example if you were caught with deca than those metabolites can hang around for 18 months - so you could essentially test positive on the drug test but your argument would be that you tested positive b/c you were on deca when you got caught.

Give us all of your details - this one will be fun.

Nautica

 

[BuffEnuf]

They caught me with d-bol, eq and fina... but they never asked me what I was on. I went for a probation interveiw a couple days ago and he said I dont think our drug test tests for steroids, we may do a special test because of your case.
Needless to say, I AM NOT USING STEROIDS.
Injectable Fina at 100mgs eod would be my choice though if I was going to.

 

[barbell265]

Nautica is correct, metabolites stick in your system for up to 18 months depending on the type. Also if you are having a generic urinalysis, they don't even test for anabolics. I work in a medical lab and do these tests all the time. I have been doing these tests for 6 years and have never, NEVER seen a test for anabolics. Drugs of abuse, yes but never anabolics.

I will go check a refference manual right now and check out the specs for you, hold on.....

 

[nautica]

Is your case federal or is it state.

Federal Gov uses Chempharm. When they take your first test look at the top of the form and then you will know if they are testing for anabolics.

If they test for juice they will be using a very basic test with the t/e ratio being tested and the metabolites of the 10 most commonly used anabolics. Such as deca, anavar, anadrol, eq, halo, and a few others - I will look for the list.

Are you going to just be tested when you go in for your monthly visit or can will you have to call in 2 times a week to find out about your test???

nautica

 

[nautica]

btw - go ahead and shoot me an email at [email protected]. I have some basics for passing a test that I can give you.

Lets still continue this thread openly as I feel it will be of help to others in the same situation.

nautica

 

[barbell265]

I checked my refference manuals and unfortunately the do not list the gear they test for, simply 60 ml urine for the specimen.

However all test have linearity. Meaning they are only acurate to a specific high and low range. Ideally we like to get the first morning sample as it is the most concentrated. If you get up, void and then start drinking water like theres no tomorrow your urine will become very dilute. I have seen pt's do this; their urine will have a specific gravity of 1.00,( essentially water), and their tests are negative.

Nautica sounds like he has an ace up his sleeve though maybe he's have some more good advice for you. Take care Bro' and good luck!

 

[nautica]

Barbell, stay with us on this thread - sounds like you could have some helpful info also. The more info we have the more that him and others can be helped.

Buffenuff - like I said before give us as much details as possible. And keep in mind - fina does have metabolites so you need to be careful.

I had a subject tested last week after he used fina at 75 mg ed. He was tested after 4 weeks of use and the results will be in next week which I will share with the board.

Nautica

 

[The Man Child]

I appreciate all the help Nautica has already given me! I stopped my fina May 7th just because I'm not looking to mess with the metabolites (drug test next week), however if those tests come back good that you just did nautica then it'll definitely be time to restock my fina

BTW: I'll be using most of those tips you gave me as well. I'm sure everything will go fine considering it will have been almost 3 months since I finished my Fina.

 

[BuffEnuf]

I got busted in Feburary. The DEA, US Customs and Sheriffs Narcotics came to my house one day to pay me a visit. This post was up several months ago after it all happened. They thought I was selling steroids. They found some EQ, Fina, a box of syringes and of course the package coming from Romania with a few thousands d's in it that they were so kind as to hand deliver to me. I was charged with a "B" felony, and it was dropped to an "E" felony. I go for sentencing on October 7th, but the deal was already made if I pled guilty to the "E", I would just get probation. As for the case, I was arraigned in City Court, then it was imediately dismissed to Federal Court for a grand jury indictment. It never ended up in Fed court though, it went to County Court and thats where its staying.
So, there it is, as for my stats last cycle I did was prior to getting arrested, which was Test, EQ and Fina. As for the recent times, I have been clean, BUT if I was going to do something, it would be Fina 100mgs eod.

 

[ryker77]

Natural Bodybuilding competions. What method do they use to test? Can I just call them up and ask them?

 

[MuscularWarrier]

My friend at mine gym (hardcore) uses Deca and got pulled over by the cops who wanted to drug-test him. He agreed to turn up the next day and then started to drink a mash of cucumbers and spinach with water.

When he turned up there next day he passed the test.

Muscular Warrior

 

[tee]

My friend at mine gym (hardcore) uses Deca and got pulled over by the cops who wanted to drug-test him. He agreed to turn up the next day and then started to drink a mash of cucumbers and spinach with water.

When he turned up there next day he passed the test.

Muscular Warrior

Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit on this story!

 

[tee]

Try these sites.

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/

http://urinator.com/html/index.html

http://www.ipassedmydrugtest.com/

 

[nautica]

Okay, most likely they will be scarey you with a bullshit $6 test. Which will only test for street drugs. Don't waste your money on any of the system flushers as they are nothing more than what water does for you.

Avoid any drugs with metabolites, Unless you know the exact date of your first test and then you can time so that you will be clear by the time the test comes around.

Fina is probably okay even up to the test b/c if they do test for metabolites chances are in your favor that tren acetate will not be tested for. But then again your safest bet is test suspension - you can run that at high doses within 2 days of the test and still be clean come test time.

Play it safe until you take the first test. Pay attention to how and what they do with the test and then we can know from there how to avoid a positive drug test.

Nautica

 

[JibbyJabba]

My friend at mine gym (hardcore) uses Deca and got pulled over by the cops who wanted to drug-test him. He agreed to turn up the next day and then started to drink a mash of cucumbers and spinach with water.

When he turned up there next day he passed the test.

Muscular Warrior

Do you never read the responses to your posts???

you are the dumbest pece of shit ever.

 

[nautica]

Do you never read the responses to your posts???

you are the dumbest pece of shit ever.

A bit more honesty from JibbyJabba

Nautica

 

[JibbyJabba]

A bit more honesty from JibbyJabba

Nautica

 

[Aikido]

Bump

Good post for all the bro's to read. Keep this around. Great info here.

Nice to see nautica and other guys helping this bro out.

Best of luck.
Aikido

 

[Gcis40]

Nautica I have emailed a few times about cylcing and stuff I would love if you could email me that thing on passing steriod testing I am a NCAA athelete and I would love to know just incase...email is [email protected]
thanks man

 

[BuffEnuf]

Saying thanks...

Thanks to all for the help, especially Nautica. Hey Tee, I checked out those sites you posted and they have a steroid cleansing kit. Do you know if these are any good?

 

[barbell265]

Check this out...

Here's a good resource for metabolite clearance. I thought that tren was 5 weeks but it has been updated and now says it is 12 weeks before your clean. Check it out....

mesomorph clearance chart

 

[liquidmuscle]

My friend at mine gym (hardcore) uses Deca and got pulled over by the cops who wanted to drug-test him. He agreed to turn up the next day and then started to drink a mash of cucumbers and spinach with water.

When he turned up there next day he passed the test.

Muscular Warrior

there he goes again

 

[nautica]

Since i get email for this just about ed - i will post it. Remember, this is very basic and the only sure way to be clean is to give drugs time to clear. Also this is geared more to the cheaper test such as probby test and even NCAA test, once you get into the IOC level then it is almost impossible to beat those test.

Here are some basics about passing a test.

The following are detection times
Sustanon 3 months
Winny oral 3 weeks
winny inj 2 months
Clen 4 days
anavar 3 weeks
primo 4 weeks
Prop. 3 weeks
Test susp Few days
Deca (norandren) 18 months
Masteron - if snorted it has been known to clear the system within 24 hours
Test suspension - unknown, but should be extremely short, given that it has no esther attached.

Personally, I believe that the best drug for avoiding positive drug test
is test suspension or propionate at low dosages, due to the fact it
suspension has no esther and prop is short acting, it gets in and out of the body quickly.

Fina is another good choice as your t/e ratios will return to normal very quickly. Be careful when using fina as it is a little more risky due to the fact that the metabolites will be in your system for the 5 week period.

There is a series of 2 test which are ran. The 1st test is to ensure your
t/e ratio is under 6:1. This can be maintained by running a very low does
of an anabolic. (different for everyone)

The second test is when they test for the actual metabolites. Actually, now this test is ran at the same time as the cost is the same.

If you do not know ahead of time about the drug test, there are some last minute things which can be done to prepare.

1) Dilute your system with water starting the night before.
2 Eat lots of red meat and take creatine (they test urine samples for creatinine to make sure they are not diluted - eating meat will spike you levels about normal but by diluting they should be in range)
3) Not extremely important but it may help some. Take vitamin B, C and anyother vitamins you want in high doses to color your urine (a tester with experience will know it has been colored.- but just tell him you take vitamins everyday - should be fine)
4) Take 5 aspirin about 30 minutes before test.
5) Last but not least you can give yourself a shot of epitestoterone to raise the levels and balance out your t/e ratio. Your girls birth control pill will also work. Not sure of the dosage. It is almost a trial an error thing with each individual. Also, be careful because the NCAA is now testing for epitest and any amount over 200 ng will result in a positive drug test.

I strongly recommend: If you have the money. Monitoring your blood urine levels. There are some online sites which willdo this you pee in a cup and send it in. I would say this needs to be done every couple of weeks so you always know where you are at. Do not dilute when this test is done. Send on sample clean and then the next day send a sample after you have
taken a birth control pill the night before.

Also other drugs to think about. HGH - although in the past testing procedures could not distinquish between erogenous hgh and nonerogenous HGH. They are now trying out a test, which has not yet been proven to work 100%. So you might want to check and see if they test for it. IF not it has always
been a drug which can be ran full time and not tested for. With HGH slin can be ran.

Factors that influence time drugs are in your system
Metabolism
Fluid intake
Tolerance to drug
frequency of intake
duration of intake
body fat
potency of drug
dosage

To clear drugs out of system, basically the best thing to do is train. BUT, 2-3 days before test do nothing, I repeat nothing. Raising your metabolism takes the drugs out of fat storage an into the blood stream, which is later excreted through the urine. This is great up until test time. At test time you want what metabolites are left to be inside the fat and not in the blood stream where they can be detected in a urine test.

Remember everyone is different and no body can tell you exactly what to do unless they are monitoring your blood levels and have a history of how your body responds. So be careful and only use any info you get as a guideline not a rule.

Good luck
Nautica

 

[nautica]

One more thing that I did not mention.

DNP

This has not been tested or proven but due the the properties of fina - It would only be logical that a cycle or 2 of this should help clear out metabolites.

nautica

 

[nautica]

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[troybday]

what kind of drug tests would Police Dept's use. meaning if my friend applied to become a cop and was on an injectable winny cycle there's not a snow balls chance in hell he would pass... correct??? if he got tested while he was on the winny!!!

 

[ASTRAL FITNESS]

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/
good luck!

 

[nautica]

what kind of drug tests would Police Dept's use. meaning if my friend applied to become a cop and was on an injectable winny cycle there's not a snow balls chance in hell he would pass... correct??? if he got tested while he was on the winny!!!

they will only give a $6 street drug test. Anabolics will not show up.

Besides, I think most PD's encourage the use.

Nautica

 

[troybday]

wow, i'm shocked to hear that. i though for sure Police Dept's would go all out and test for everything. fuck it, maybe i'll apply too, but i'll have to quit smoking the reefer for a bit, that'll suck!!!

 

[nautica]

wow, i'm shocked to hear that. i though for sure Police Dept's would go all out and test for everything. fuck it, maybe i'll apply too, but i'll have to quit smoking the reefer for a bit, that'll suck!!!

Surely you can layoff for 3 weeks.

Nautica

 

[monkeyballs]

Nautica,
Much of what you preach is gospel...

I agree with virtually all your testing times, but I still think that some are times are grossly underestimated. I have yet to see any research for these clearance times, and some of these times have been around for so long that I no longer trust them. Your anecdotal reports are among the only actual proof that some of these clearnace times are correct.

If only we could get you to try every AS under the sun and follow it up with some legit tests.

Your conclusion that test suspension is among the best is 100% correct, provided that test supplementation is something that will help your specific athletic goals.

HGH is, and will be, the drug of choice for elite athletes throughout the world. The test that is currently under consideration, is almost 100%, but since the slightest thread of legal doubt remains, it cannot be used as irrefutable proof of ex-hgh supplementation. My guess is by 2008, the test will be accepted. Regardless, the testing window will be similar to EPO, as two to three days is all the time that will be needed to clear exGH. The test will be essentially useless, except for catching a few athletes in out of competition tests.

By 2008, AS and GH will probably be the least of the IOC's worries. Gene therapy is the wave of the future.

Also, someone mentioned some bullshit about the NCAA giving you 48 hours notice prior to a test. This pure bullshit. They show up...test you...and move on. Some schools have formal testing dates, which are usually anonced, but the NCAA is always apt to do a random test of any D-1 football or track program.

I would also like to add the following...All of the products that allegedly clear out AS from a urine test are nothing more than a poor version of snake oil. Not one will work provided that your test is legit. If you claim that it works...the test was crap.

Cucumbers...now that's another story.

 

[ironmaster]

This is just an excellent discussion..........the kind of thread that made Elite great in the past (excluding the comments of cucumber boy, of course).
It should be pretty clear to all that nautica and monkeyballs are the men to talk to on this topic. I have some knowledge from my longtime association with collegiate athletics, but these fellows are right on top of the issues.
I would be very hesitant to give advice to a man facing jail time, even though I doubt the likelyhood of a true steroid test in his situation. Better safe than sorry, cause the slam is no place you want to be.

 

[IJ26]

Monkeyballs, you are correct on the 48 hour rule. They do not give you 48 but they do give you 24. They notify you 1-2 days before hand bc you take the test early in the morning. They dont just show up and say I want these people here now.

 

[w84me]

question ... how about passing a lie-detector test? the competitions that I have been in the last year have all given these first. Only the overall winners take a drug test (or so they say). I know they use this means as a way to keep costs down. But one of my friends failed the last one .... so they kept his entry fee and he was out of the contest. Help ... please.

 

[nautica]

Monkeysballs, do you have any articles or research on the HGH testing. The articles I had are probably outdated and I am wanting to stay current. If you do shoot them to me.

Thanks
Nautica

 

[nautica]

question ... how about passing a lie-detector test? the competitions that I have been in the last year have all given these first. Only the overall winners take a drug test (or so they say). I know they use this means as a way to keep costs down. But one of my friends failed the last one .... so they kept his entry fee and he was out of the contest. Help ... please.

That is a whole different ballgame. Passing a lie detector test has nothing to do with AAS. Basically, you just have to be a good liar and not have a conscience about it. There are websites that teach you how to lie.

Nautica

 

[nautica]

Also, monkeys balls what you have stated about detection times being underestimated is partly true.

For testing of metabolites in IOC competion, I agree. The test are now much more sophisticated then they were when the clearance times were established.

With testosterone - I disagree, from anectdotal evidence, I think these are overestimated. I think in most cases, with testosterone use - your levels will only be over the 6:1 ratio for close to double the half life of the drug.

Test have shown that suspension should be less than 2 days and Prop should be less than 2 weeks. But I will not put that on the detection times I list b/c I would rather err on the side of caution.

Nautica

btw - if any athelete is subject to IOC testing - Monkeyballs is the man to talk to. - He has much more experience in this area than I.

 

[hitmansb]

Lie detectors are easy to beat...all you have to do is elevate your baseline, or 'truth' response levels by causing yourself some pain. When you first sit down, the tester asks baseline questions like your name and the current date, for example, to establish where the 'truth' range is on his machine. If your sit down with elevated stress levels from pain, this range will already be high, so your lies won't register. A lot of guys manage this by putting a dab of a strong mentholated rub in a sensitive area before the test...I'm sure you can figure out where.

 

[monkeyballs]

Monkeysballs, do you have any articles or research on the HGH testing. The articles I had are probably outdated and I am wanting to stay current. If you do shoot them to me.

Thanks
Nautica

Gladly,
I'll russle up some of my articles and shoot them your way.

Also, as for passing a lie detector test- the only organization that I know that does this is natural BBing. Lie detector tests are legally useless, so all other athletic organizations can't use them to prove shit.

Briefly...my thoughts on another topic
Natural BB's who use AS are pussies IMO.

BB is the one sport that is honest enough to provide an alternative for the drug free athlete.
This is like lying about your age to get into little league.
I think the BB's on this board, both natural and traditional, will agree.

 

[The Man Child]

NCAA gives 24 hour notice about drug tests. Of course it doesn't take a brain surgen to figure out when they'll be knockin on the door. At my school it's like clockwork; once before the bowl game and once after spring practice.

 

[nautica]

NCAA gives 24 hour notice about drug tests. Of course it doesn't take a brain surgen to figure out when they'll be knockin on the door. At my school it's like clockwork; once before the bowl game and once after spring practice.

I was wondering when you were going to join in Man Child.

Yes, not only do they give 24 hour notice but I remember reading somewhere that they are REQUIRED to give a 24 hour notice. So keep that in mind.

Another good reason to be using suspension at low doses if you are an NCAA athlete.

Nautica

Monkeyballs - I bet you wish the IOC was so kind as to give a notice.

 

[The Man Child]

Nautica, what is your favorite or best in your opinion Test Suspension? I was thinking about picking up some Agrovin Amps by Biotika Labs, but for the same price I could get some Virormone Amps, so I'm a little hestant as which one to get.

 

[nautica]

That is a good question. the main thing is to make sure you get the real thing. I have had good results with Virormone and also QV. But I have heard that QV is being faked now. As far as Agrovin - personally never tried so I can't say.

nautica

 

[ironmaster]

Viramone is the absolute best. Zero pain, so site injecting is a breeze. I get the same results with half the dose of Viramone as I do with the vet crap.
Oddly, Testovit prop (Euro)is 100ml/mg in a 10cc vial, is dirt cheap if you can find it, and painless and effective.

 

[The Man Child]

Ironmaster I'm with you on that one! Although I'm not on them now, I've been using Virormone for some time and are by far the best Steroid I have ever used. I guess I answered my own question...

 

[monkeyballs]

Monkeyballs - I bet you wish the IOC was so kind as to give a notice.

I'd be happy if they gave me 24 minutes.

 

[LuckyDog]

I have an exception

Well guys, I know viromone is the best test. prop. but I have an idea that just might beat the viromone...I'm talking about some made at a compounding pharmacy right here in the US, but can't say for sure yet, will let you know

LuckyDog

 

[Shawn]

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Nautica, what is your favorite or best in your opinion Test Suspension? I was thinking about picking up some Agrovin Amps by Biotika Labs, but for the same price I could get some Virormone Amps, so I'm a little hestant as which one to get.

but agoviron depot contains the ester buytrate attached so it will prolonge for up to 2 weeks. better get some aquaviron 25mg and take 2-3 amps ED.

 

[George Spellwin]

A new article has been added:

Sports Testing Wasting Millions Drug & Steroid Testing Athletes

<img src="http://www.elitefitness.com/images/anabolic-steroids/sports-testing.jpg" alt="Sports Testing" width="261" height="293" align="right">We all know that the government wastes people’s tax dollars. But recent high school sports drug and steroid testing has taken wasteful spending to a new level! You’ll be shocked at how much money they wasted on bogus sports testing that does not even work.

I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t exactly agree on how our tax dollars are spent by the government. And how our tax dollars get spent drug and steroid testing athletes is a prime example. But first, here's a few hilarious examples of what our federal taxes have funded.

 

[$broke$]

In the NCAA and WADA (for college/pro/olympic athletes), they not only test for gear and other anabolic agents, but they also test for diuretics and other stuff that could be used to mask anabolics.

 

[CheapPinz]

every chemical you can put in your body will wear off at a certain point. ....the half-life. Find a reputable site online for half lives of drugs and figure out how long the drug will last in your body. A friend of mine just popped positive for pot after eating poppyseeds....You might want to make sure you don't eat anything questionable the day of your testing so it doesn't make a false positive..