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PencilNeck
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http://www.muscleshoppe.com/site/product_details.cfm?product=2646
$57.75 per bottle at muscleshoppe... lowest I have seen so far.
$57.75 per bottle at muscleshoppe... lowest I have seen so far.
riskybizz007
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gotta agree... they'll get you there when ingredients are not listed in quantities. And as far as their forum, i wouldn't be surprised if they made up some of those comments.
"$57.75 per bottle at muscleshoppe... lowest I have seen so far."
And this is after muscleshoppe makes a profit.
So what does that you tell you? Biotest is absolutely raping people on each and every sale. Can you believe Brock had the NERVE to say that PA was screwing the public with that price of 1-AD in his article critiquing the product.. Biotest/ T-mag is absolutely fucking pityful!
Megadeth
And this is after muscleshoppe makes a profit.
So what does that you tell you? Biotest is absolutely raping people on each and every sale. Can you believe Brock had the NERVE to say that PA was screwing the public with that price of 1-AD in his article critiquing the product.. Biotest/ T-mag is absolutely fucking pityful!
Megadeth
megadeth said:
I don't know anything about the Biotest pricing structure, but you should understand that for many companies, mine included, there is a reason why the company direct sale price is so much higher than the prices of many retailers. The maker of the product purposely prices their product at the high MSRP so that distributors and retailers do not have to compete with the manufacturer. EAS broke that unwritten rule a few years ago when they went with cheap direct sales and many people were rightfully angry at them. You see, its the distributors and retailers that are crucial in building the market for the companies, and if the companies turn around and undercut them after the market is built then that is pretty dastardly
"The maker of the product purposely prices their product at the high MSRP so that distributors and retailers do not have to compete with the manufacturer. EAS broke that unwritten rule a few years ago when they went with cheap direct sales and many people were rightfully angry at them. You see, its the distributors and retailers that are crucial in building the market for the companies, and if the companies turn around and undercut them after the market is built then that is pretty dastardly"
I remember EAS doing this and do understand how pricing normally works with retailer and manufacturers, but have you seen what Biotest is doing now? Muscleshoppe is the first co. that I have seen Mag-10 sold for less than 99.95. Biotest newest ploy seems to be that they will only sell to distributors that will keep the price at 99.95. It seems like they want to make a bundle on their buy 2 get 1 free. They did the same with the new Methoxy-7 claiming that they want to their product sold by only reputable distributors. Give me a fucking break!!
I remember EAS doing this and do understand how pricing normally works with retailer and manufacturers, but have you seen what Biotest is doing now? Muscleshoppe is the first co. that I have seen Mag-10 sold for less than 99.95. Biotest newest ploy seems to be that they will only sell to distributors that will keep the price at 99.95. It seems like they want to make a bundle on their buy 2 get 1 free. They did the same with the new Methoxy-7 claiming that they want to their product sold by only reputable distributors. Give me a fucking break!!
javaguru
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Many companies force retailers to sell a product at a specific price. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a product to a retailer because they are marking down the price. It is illegal if there is collusion between a producer and retailer to set a price. A case went before the Supreme Court where a gas company refused to sell gasoline to a gas station because they were discounting the gas too heavily. The court found the gas company did not violate anti-trust laws by refusing to sell the gasoline to the gas station. Many large companies engage in this type of practice, Whirlpool being one. It's a bit of a grey area but the Supreme Court is not very consumer friendly, as seen by the overturning of the Microsoft decision.
PencilNeck
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PencilNeck said:
Guess that was a bit too low... the price has now been bumped up to $62.00...
riskybizz007
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have not heard of 1 person using this product yet on this board. I refuse to go to T-mag and read their "edited" posts there.
I am using Mag 10
I'm at the end of my second full week of using it (just started the second bottle). So far my strength gains have been very impressive. I don't have my training log with me right now, but I will post some numbers when I finish my three bottles. At the end of one week I weighed myself and saw little weight gain. If I don't see some serious weight gain or my strength does not keep skyrocketing like it has been, I will most definately getting a refund from Biotest.
So I am very happy with the strength gains, but not so much with my body composition change so far. I should probably check it again tommorow. But I will definately post my before and after results after I finish my third bottle. I'm just doing a 6 week continuous cycle.
I'm at the end of my second full week of using it (just started the second bottle). So far my strength gains have been very impressive. I don't have my training log with me right now, but I will post some numbers when I finish my three bottles. At the end of one week I weighed myself and saw little weight gain. If I don't see some serious weight gain or my strength does not keep skyrocketing like it has been, I will most definately getting a refund from Biotest.
So I am very happy with the strength gains, but not so much with my body composition change so far. I should probably check it again tommorow. But I will definately post my before and after results after I finish my third bottle. I'm just doing a 6 week continuous cycle.
megadeth said:
If Muscleshoppe is at $62 (price raised after your initial post), and Biotest is selling at 3 for $199.90 (buy 2, get 1 free @ $99.95/ea), that's only a 7.5% difference - less if Muscleshoppe charges S&H (Biotest would ship this order for free.) 7.5% isn't exactly "rape."
Now if you only buy one or two bottles rather than three, then Biotest is a pretty blatant ripoff, but they've always used a "buy two - get one free" pricing structure. (At one point when they discontinued the original MD-6, I think they went off the buy 2/get 1 free price structure on the remaining inventory - other than that they've been pretty consistent.)
I'm starting MAG-10 Saturday, and am going to follow their 2 week on/2 week off protocol for three cycles (total of 12 weeks.) Will post initial results once I'm a few weeks in. I've generally been happy with Biotest products in the past, but I have to agree that the hype machine has been at warp speed on this one and many of the posts to their forum are either too early for meaningful results or...how shall I put it?...suspect?
Triple J
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I have got to say that this 2 week on / 2 week off cycle idea seems really strange. Call me paranoid, but could this be intended to extend the window of judgement on the product? I'm not sure if that really makes sense but I just don't understand the basis for such a cycle approach other than some marketing BS, just to sell more product. Note the product recommendations during the downcycle.
I guess most people will not being using that approach so look forward to hearing results in general.
I guess most people will not being using that approach so look forward to hearing results in general.
javaguru
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The two week cycle is designed to prevent suppression of the HPTA. It's typically used for steroid cycles using fast acting drugs, but in a 2/4 pattern. It makes sense because most of the gains in a cycle occur in the first few weeks, gains of 10-15lbs in two weeks is not uncommon with drugs. I imagine Biotest recommends 2/2 because they claim the 1-test is about as suppressive as primobolan, a very "mild" drug, and that 4-AD isn't very suppressive.
Travbedaman
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LOL!
Re: Re: I am using Mag 10
Why thankyou for the kind words Patrick... I think this is the first time I've ever been flamed on any message board. See if I ever buy any of your products.... Nah, I'm not going to hold a grudge against you. I am going to ride out this cycle and see how the end results are. Like I said.... I will be asking for a refund if my results are anything less than phenominal.
I have been reading t-mag.com since about the second year they came out. I do agree that they have done a complete 180 with their online mag. I used to look very forward to each new issue. Now I more or less skim it to see if there is anything worthwhile to read. It used to be more entertaining and informational. I rarely use their products because of the price.
The thing that his pissed me off the most is that Biotest started putting pressure on online stores to keep prices at a certain level or they could be cut off from selling Biotest. I know this is true because I talked with the manager of one of the online stores and to a certain extent that is what he said.
I'm very pleased with my strength gains as I said before, but so far they aren't impressive enough to be worth 66+ dollars a bottle. Maybe at 40 bucks a bottle it would be worth it. Or double servings per bottle.
Lastly, I was just trying to be helpful by giving my unbiased results of Mag-10. I'm not one to start a flaming war, but I don't appreciate being bit#hed at for simply posting my results. Biotest and T-mag have changed their ways for the worse and I totally agree with that. I only decided to try Mag-10 because I knew they have a money back guarentee.
But anyway... I'm not on this board to declare Biotest the almighty maker of supplements because they are not. I'm not loyal to any one supplement company.
pa1ad said:
Why thankyou for the kind words Patrick... I think this is the first time I've ever been flamed on any message board. See if I ever buy any of your products.... Nah, I'm not going to hold a grudge against you. I am going to ride out this cycle and see how the end results are. Like I said.... I will be asking for a refund if my results are anything less than phenominal.
I have been reading t-mag.com since about the second year they came out. I do agree that they have done a complete 180 with their online mag. I used to look very forward to each new issue. Now I more or less skim it to see if there is anything worthwhile to read. It used to be more entertaining and informational. I rarely use their products because of the price.
The thing that his pissed me off the most is that Biotest started putting pressure on online stores to keep prices at a certain level or they could be cut off from selling Biotest. I know this is true because I talked with the manager of one of the online stores and to a certain extent that is what he said.
I'm very pleased with my strength gains as I said before, but so far they aren't impressive enough to be worth 66+ dollars a bottle. Maybe at 40 bucks a bottle it would be worth it. Or double servings per bottle.
Lastly, I was just trying to be helpful by giving my unbiased results of Mag-10. I'm not one to start a flaming war, but I don't appreciate being bit#hed at for simply posting my results. Biotest and T-mag have changed their ways for the worse and I totally agree with that. I only decided to try Mag-10 because I knew they have a money back guarentee.
But anyway... I'm not on this board to declare Biotest the almighty maker of supplements because they are not. I'm not loyal to any one supplement company.
Triple J
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JavaGuru said:
Yes I read the article and know what they said, but don't you see that the need for a layoff every two weeks could just be a marketing trick to convince everyone this stuff is so fucking super-potent you need to be real careful about it shutting you down just like or even more than real roids will (keeping in mind that nobody taking real roids ever imagined the need to lay out a cycle pattern quite like this). The other thing most of the rapid weight gain in two weeks time is water. Of course, during the offcycle (every two weeks) you need to load up on Tribex, etc. to restore yourself to normal, just in time for the next blast of Mag-10. What a roller coaster.
I guess I'm just a little skeptical
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I am using Mag 10
LOL!!! I'll give that one to you. That was pretty funny. No, I have a very good sense of humor... People tell me I'm usually pretty funny. I guess I just didn't take your comment the way you meant it to be taken. I guess I'm just not used to supplement company owners/employees poking fun at the customer. It's all good though. Next time I will be more on my toes and I'll get you back... in good humor of course.
pa1ad said:
LOL!!! I'll give that one to you. That was pretty funny. No, I have a very good sense of humor... People tell me I'm usually pretty funny. I guess I just didn't take your comment the way you meant it to be taken. I guess I'm just not used to supplement company owners/employees poking fun at the customer. It's all good though. Next time I will be more on my toes and I'll get you back... in good humor of course.
Updated Results....
Well, I don't have a lot of info, but after two full weeks of training I'm up to about 182 pounds which is up 10-11 lbs since I started. I didn't get a b.f. mesurement this time, but I will at the end of my Mag-10 cycle (a six week cycle as I mentioned before). The most I've ever weighed was about 185 pounds, so we'll see if I can go beyond that and still stay fairly lean. I was pretty lean last time I was 185 too. If I get to a lean 190 + pounds by the end of my cycle I will be pretty happy. So far, I haven't noticed much fat gain if any judging by visual results. And my strenght is still going up every workout. And many of my lifts are beyond were they ever have been. I'm still a bit skeptical because of the price, but so far the results from Mag-10 are speaking for themselves.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game" Sorry I couldn't resist putting that in here.
Well, I don't have a lot of info, but after two full weeks of training I'm up to about 182 pounds which is up 10-11 lbs since I started. I didn't get a b.f. mesurement this time, but I will at the end of my Mag-10 cycle (a six week cycle as I mentioned before). The most I've ever weighed was about 185 pounds, so we'll see if I can go beyond that and still stay fairly lean. I was pretty lean last time I was 185 too. If I get to a lean 190 + pounds by the end of my cycle I will be pretty happy. So far, I haven't noticed much fat gain if any judging by visual results. And my strenght is still going up every workout. And many of my lifts are beyond were they ever have been. I'm still a bit skeptical because of the price, but so far the results from Mag-10 are speaking for themselves.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game"
Sorry I couldn't resist putting that in here.
Re: Updated Results....
Amazing results. You would never see these kinds of results with 1-AD. I guess thats why no one ever mentions 1-AD here.
saxman said:Well, I don't have a lot of info, but after two full weeks of training I'm up to about 182 pounds which is up 10-11 lbs since I started. I didn't get a b.f. mesurement this time, but I will at the end of my Mag-10 cycle (a six week cycle as I mentioned before). The most I've ever weighed was about 185 pounds, so we'll see if I can go beyond that and still stay fairly lean. I was pretty lean last time I was 185 too. If I get to a lean 190 + pounds by the end of my cycle I will be pretty happy. So far, I haven't noticed much fat gain if any judging by visual results. And my strenght is still going up every workout. And many of my lifts are beyond were they ever have been. I'm still a bit skeptical because of the price, but so far the results from Mag-10 are speaking for themselves.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game"
Amazing results. You would never see these kinds of results with 1-AD. I guess thats why no one ever mentions 1-AD here.
OVRTrainer
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Saxman...
On Dec. 12th you wrote:
"I'm at the end of my second full week of using it (just started the second bottle). So far my strength gains have been very impressive. I don't have my training log with me right now, but I will post some numbers when I finish my three bottles. At the end of one week I weighed myself and saw little weight gain. If I don't see some serious weight gain or my strength does not keep skyrocketing like it has been, I will most definately getting a refund from Biotest."
On Dec.18th, 6 days later you wrote:
Did you mean to say, "after three full weeks of training..."? Or did you warp back in time and put on mass? If it has been 3 weeks, I would have to say that pa1ad's response was not uncalled for as 10lbs in 3wks is very possible with 1-AD. I personally put on 7or8 in the first 3wks of my 1-AD cycle.
Either way, you've got at least 3wks to go so keep us posted...
On Dec. 12th you wrote:
"I'm at the end of my second full week of using it (just started the second bottle). So far my strength gains have been very impressive. I don't have my training log with me right now, but I will post some numbers when I finish my three bottles. At the end of one week I weighed myself and saw little weight gain. If I don't see some serious weight gain or my strength does not keep skyrocketing like it has been, I will most definately getting a refund from Biotest."
On Dec.18th, 6 days later you wrote:
saxman said:
Did you mean to say, "after three full weeks of training..."? Or did you warp back in time and put on mass? If it has been 3 weeks, I would have to say that pa1ad's response was not uncalled for as 10lbs in 3wks is very possible with 1-AD. I personally put on 7or8 in the first 3wks of my 1-AD cycle.
Either way, you've got at least 3wks to go so keep us posted...
Sorry for the confusion
I started taking the Mag-10 on a Thursday. I have been training once a day every day Monday through Friday with Sat. and Sun. off. When I posted on December 12 I was "nearing" the end of my second "full" week of usage. When I posted on the 18th I was past two full weeks.
Hope that clears some stuff up.
I started taking the Mag-10 on a Thursday. I have been training once a day every day Monday through Friday with Sat. and Sun. off. When I posted on December 12 I was "nearing" the end of my second "full" week of usage. When I posted on the 18th I was past two full weeks.
Hope that clears some stuff up.
Re: Re: Updated Results....
Gee... maybe I should start badmouthing 1-AD even though I haven't tried it. I never said I could not get the same results with capsules of 1-AD.
I'm not comparing... only stating facts about Mag-10. Maybe my next cycle will be JUST 1-AD so I can make a comparison.
pa1ad said:
Gee... maybe I should start badmouthing 1-AD even though I haven't tried it. I never said I could not get the same results with capsules of 1-AD.
I'm not comparing... only stating facts about Mag-10. Maybe my next cycle will be JUST 1-AD so I can make a comparison.
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