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javaguru
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IMO, 1-tu is the LEAST cost effective way to deliver the drug. Go to the anabolic board and ask about an Andriol only cycle and see how hard you get flamed. Absorption varies from person to person, time of day and from one dosing to the next. You can go to the andriol website and learn more about the delivery system, which they copied for 1-tu. You would be better off just buying bulk 1-test powder and taking 400-600mg per day in divided dosages. Likewise you could also go with a good stacked transdermal like 0ne+ or a homebrew.
@JavaGuru,
i am somewhat unable to follow your argument. just because Andriol is being slammed over at anabolex that doesn't mean that an undecanoate is worthless crap. we all know that oral testosterone is doing next to nothing and the people over at anabolex compare Andriol with injectable testosterone, a comparison which of course clearly demonstrates the inferiority of Andriol.
however, the undecanoate ester does somewhat improve the absorption rate of testosterone. so, it is only natural to assume that an undecanoate ester will also increase the absoprtion rate of 1-testosterone, a compound which by any means is not as subjective to the destructive first pass effects of the liver as straight testosterone is. the undecanoate ester might indeed be the best transport vehikel for 1-testosterone. i have a hard time to believe that a transport ester like for example ethylcarbonate esters as seen in MAG 10 for example would do jack sh%$ when it comes to protecting straight testosterone from the liver. so why should they be any good for 1-test.
also recommending base 1-test in high dosages is in my humble opinion questionable, because this raises the possibility of side effects. i would be very concerned about my liver readings if i would take 500 + mgs of oral 1-test a day over a extended period of time. personally i do believe that the undecanoate ester and the ethergel caps are the best choice, especially when saftey issues are also being taken into consideration.
Testoman
i am somewhat unable to follow your argument. just because Andriol is being slammed over at anabolex that doesn't mean that an undecanoate is worthless crap. we all know that oral testosterone is doing next to nothing and the people over at anabolex compare Andriol with injectable testosterone, a comparison which of course clearly demonstrates the inferiority of Andriol.
however, the undecanoate ester does somewhat improve the absorption rate of testosterone. so, it is only natural to assume that an undecanoate ester will also increase the absoprtion rate of 1-testosterone, a compound which by any means is not as subjective to the destructive first pass effects of the liver as straight testosterone is. the undecanoate ester might indeed be the best transport vehikel for 1-testosterone. i have a hard time to believe that a transport ester like for example ethylcarbonate esters as seen in MAG 10 for example would do jack sh%$ when it comes to protecting straight testosterone from the liver. so why should they be any good for 1-test.
also recommending base 1-test in high dosages is in my humble opinion questionable, because this raises the possibility of side effects. i would be very concerned about my liver readings if i would take 500 + mgs of oral 1-test a day over a extended period of time. personally i do believe that the undecanoate ester and the ethergel caps are the best choice, especially when saftey issues are also being taken into consideration.
Testoman
javaguru
Banned
I said it was the least cost effective not worthless crap. On the contrary, a burn free 1-TU injectable would be extremely effective. I'm not really sure what the Anobolex stance is on the drug but I don't know of a single bodybuilder that thinks andriol is an effective bodybuilding drug, it's more cost effective and reliable to inject testosterone. Remember, 100mg of 1-TU is probaby only around 60mg of actual 1-test with the rest being ester weight. Likewise, the studies done on andriol found the lymphatic absorption to be very erratic as a delivery system. The amount absorbed not only varied from person to person but also from dosing to dosing within the same day. It also seems that many people are under the mistaken impression that because it has an undecanoate ester it only requires once a day dosing, the Andriol literature recommends dosing be split into 3x per day.
I know there isn't much published literature on the EC ester but supposedly Bill Roberts use the ester in his research in relation to increasing bioavailability. Therefore, he may likely have more information regarding its efficacy than someone who simply does a medline search. Also, anecdotal results have shown it to be effective, not a peer reviwed study but about as good as you're going to get considering the likelihood of published studies examining real world dosages with the OTC steroids. However, from the results I have seen over the months on various boards the transdermals give the best results.
Although side effects and safety are very important concerns I haven't heard of any evidence anecdotal or otherwise that would lead me to believe the current crop of hormones elevate liver enzymes. Two years ago when I started a new job I had a physical and I was taking over 1g of 4-ad per day while dieting to preserve muscle. My liver enzymes were well within the normal range. Perhaps 1-test is more dangerous but I don't know of any evidence. They certainly aren't in the category of 17-aa oral steroids or some other otc drugs. I know this is not conclusive that high dose orals don't cause elevated liver enzymes but just as I would recommend anyone undertaking a heavy illegal steroid cycle be under the care of a doctor I would recommend the same of anyone on a hardcore 1-test cycle. This is a 'real' steroid and needs to be treated with the proper respect.
I know there isn't much published literature on the EC ester but supposedly Bill Roberts use the ester in his research in relation to increasing bioavailability. Therefore, he may likely have more information regarding its efficacy than someone who simply does a medline search. Also, anecdotal results have shown it to be effective, not a peer reviwed study but about as good as you're going to get considering the likelihood of published studies examining real world dosages with the OTC steroids. However, from the results I have seen over the months on various boards the transdermals give the best results.
Although side effects and safety are very important concerns I haven't heard of any evidence anecdotal or otherwise that would lead me to believe the current crop of hormones elevate liver enzymes. Two years ago when I started a new job I had a physical and I was taking over 1g of 4-ad per day while dieting to preserve muscle. My liver enzymes were well within the normal range. Perhaps 1-test is more dangerous but I don't know of any evidence. They certainly aren't in the category of 17-aa oral steroids or some other otc drugs. I know this is not conclusive that high dose orals don't cause elevated liver enzymes but just as I would recommend anyone undertaking a heavy illegal steroid cycle be under the care of a doctor I would recommend the same of anyone on a hardcore 1-test cycle. This is a 'real' steroid and needs to be treated with the proper respect.
grafix-GNC
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my friend saw OK gains with it, but better gains with his 1-AD & Boldione cycle, PM Nutri-Wrestler for more info... it couldve been his diet and training methods werent as good too,,
