Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux

[manny78]

Which one do you use and why ?

Also, I've heard many theorie on why PC and Mac weren't compatible and why both kept this shit going on. Would make sense to just merge both ? I mean, Mac is mostly use by graphists and multimedia professional, while PC is more for the mainstream crowd. It's not like if both were playing on the same ground..... anyway let's see....

 

[sk*]

It really depends on your goals.

Anyone who uses a mac is a tool, that being said here is how I see it with linux and win32:

If you are a programmer and get used to linux, it can be a beautiful thing, If you mostly use the computer for office work or personal reasons than windows is what i'd choose.

IMO, win xp is as stable as any version of linux. However, linux has many advantages for the programmer ... one being that it is completely open source.

Also, if you are gonna host a server than linux is the only choice.

BTW, the older versions of windows all pailed infront of linux, but xp gives it a run in many aspects.

-sk

 

[HULKSTER]

As I said in another thread, after Microsoft licensed out Linux, SOC got fucked big time in their lawsuit against Linux.

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

Windows because it's what most of the world is using. I was a longtime mac user but I got tired of having to work to find software and games for it. I still like Macs better for working with multimedia but you can do pretty the same stuff on a PC too.

And Linux is the dominate server software but I know microsoft has some of that market too.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

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[The Whole F/N Show]

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[manny78]

Well Macs dont seem to be very popular...

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

Mac will always be a fringe market. Multimedia people and the die hard apple loyaltist will buy Macs and that's about it. It makes sense. Macs cost more, don't allow as much freedom in what parts you buy for it, they is less software for it and last but not least most people are using windows.

 

[gettinlarger]

Windows for a home PC. Mac for a graphics tool.

 

[manny78]

But what can be done with Mac can also be done on a PC. I mean I had an Apple for many years before I switched to PC. I've done some multimedia and honestly, there's Iw as doing with an Apple that can't be done now...

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

I agree Manny. For the most part a computer is a computer. There isn't any you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC and vice versa. Apple had a true advance over the PC when it came to multi-tasking and stability until windows until windows dumped the 9x code for the NT based Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

 

[sk*]

Macs are a serious programmer's nightmare. It gives you no freedom, you can't even fuck around with memory.

If you are gonna buy it as a toy for your 2year old than i'll understand.

-sk

 

[sk*]

I agree Manny. For the most part a computer is a computer. There isn't any you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC and vice versa. Apple had a true advance over the PC when it came to multi-tasking and stability until windows until windows dumped the 9x code for the NT based Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

Bro, no offense, but you don't know what you are talking about. If you are gonna play games on your computer then yea, but a computer isn't a computer and that is a really stupid comment. No disrespect, but i've been programming for about 10years and wouldn't take a shit in the same room as a mac.

-sk

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

Bro, no offense, but you don't know what you are talking about. If you are gonna play games on your computer then yea, but a computer isn't a computer and that is a really stupid comment. No disrespect, but i've been programming for about 10years and wouldn't take a shit in the same room as a mac.

-sk

No offense taken. I happen to disagree and if you wanna PM about it I'm fine with that. The statement I made isn't was made just by me. When you get down to brass tacks MACs and PCs both offer a lot. But because you said you program I guess what ever you say is the gospel right? And correct me if I am wrong but hasn't game performance often been a bench mark of just what a computer can do?

Regardless, I'll take a PC over a Mac anyday but not because Mac can't keep up or vice vera. But I'm proud of you for programming for 10 whole years. Keep up that great work! The world loves you. I don't but I guess the rest mankind does.

 

[sk*]

No offense taken. I happen to disagree and if you wanna PM about it I'm fine with that. The statement I made isn't was made just by me. When you get down to brass tacks MACs and PCs bought offer a lot. But because you said you program I guess what ever you say is the gospel right? And correct me if I am wrong but haven't game performance often been a bench mark of just what a computer can do.

Regardless, I'll take a PC over a Mac anyday but not because Mac can't keep up or vice vera. But I'm proud of you for programming for 10 years. Keep up that great work. The world loves you. I don't but I guess the rest mankind does.

I didn't bring up the programming part to brag, I am just saying that for a serious programmer a macintosh is shit. The system level access is VERY LIMITED in macs.

If you are gonna use it for personal use, meaning word processing or some other simple stuff, then by all means by the cheapest of the two. Even better, get a 10year old computer, off of ebay, as it will suffice.

-sk

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

Yeah but you see you are comming at it from a programmer's perspective. Customer don't care about how hard something is to program for. As long as the product performs, that's what matters. Then software and support and what not.

Going back to the original question which was do you own and why not which is most difficult to program for. Of course programmer own computer but I don't think that what he was getting at. Anyway, the programming for 10 years line along with the "stupid" remark made you sound like an elites ass but hey maybe I just took it that way. Maybe someone else would interpret different.

 

[sk*]

Yeah but you see you are comming at it from a programmer's perspective. Customer don't care about how hard something is to program for. As long as the product performs, that's what matters. Then software and support and what not.

Going back to the original question which was do you own and why not which is most difficult to program for. Of course programmer own computer but I don't think that what he was getting at. Anyway, the programming for 10 years line along with the "stupid" remark made you sound like an elites ass but hey maybe I just took it that way. Maybe someone else would interpret different.

I didn't mean to come out harsh, but saying a "computer is a computer" really stuck me the wrong way.

And it isn't about being hard to accomplish a task, macs just won't allow you to do too many system level tasks. It greatly limits your freedom.

The reason I love programming so much is because of the freedom I get in what I can program and how much control I get over the computer, with macs this simply isn't the case.

The way you use the word "customer" is the average joe who uses it for word processing and checking his emails on the web. I said before that this isn't who I am talking about, and if you are buying it to check emails then you might as well buy a shitty used computer.

-sk

 

[sk*]

ALOT of my Unix pals have switched OS X, since the underlying OS is now FreeBSD. They get all the power of Unix apps combined with a GUI nicer than anything the Unix world offers, including Gnome & KDE. The networking capabilities have improved exponentially. Panther (the next major OSX upgrade) should really be something.

Don't even know why they would originally use FreeBSD with the many good linux programs available.

Networking capabilities might have improved but they won't reach to the level of a PC.

I have yet to hear any major company using a mac to run a server off of it.

Buttom line is macs could have, would have, should have been great computers (from the ease of use stand point) but they aren't because of the great power of microsoft ... from the perspective of the developer they are inferior to pcs though.

-sk

 

[sk*]

"FreeBSD is many cases a superior OS to Linux. It gets less publicity due to an old AT&T lawsuit, which put it years behind Linux in terms of development. It's been playing catchup in a sense. Visit www.netcraft.com and take a good look at the longest uptimes of internet webservers. The list is near 80% BSD Unix. The TCP/IP stack in your Windows PC originally came from BSD Unix. I'd choose BSD over Linux for a firewall, DNS, web or NFS server any day. I would choose Linux for a DB or a cluster. Linux's advantage is marginally better hardware support, SMP scalability and enterprise support from HP, IBM, Dell, Oracle, etc. You could ask Microsoft what happened when they initially tried to migrate Hotmail from FreeBSD to Windows 2000. Stability went down so fast they moved it back, then started over very slowly.
The beauty of open source software is that anything that runs on Linux can be compiled on FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, and now OS X. Very little software is actually "linux software", which the exception of binary releases like VMWare (which still runs on FreeBSD). "

In what sences is FreeBSD better?
A reason that the internet webservers are, in majority, on FreeBSD is simply that it is older than linux. I bet the newer ones all use some linux version.
Also, i'd never compare windows to linux when it comes to hosting a server, linux is ahead lightyears as I said so in my first post in this thread ... I was comparing it to macs

"The networking capabilities of Unix are so far ahead of Microsoft that this is hardly worth responding to."

I have a very hard time believing they will successfully optimize unix/linux on a mac. Just like the many programs that will run windows applications, ... they will fail quickly if a system level application is tried to be run.

"The main reason would be to service Mac clients. At Neutrogena our entire Graphics dept was all Mac. Since MS File Services for Mac stunk up the place we put in a Mac server just for them. OS X can now natively mount Samba (Windows shares) and NFS shares from a Unix server, something a Windows PC can't do without expensive add-on software....priced Hummingbird Exceed lately? "

Graphics department is different from running a server.
What do you mean by stunk up the place? If you are talking about not enough hd space, then I find it hard to believe ...

"Microsoft's ease of use was copied from MacOS and to a lesser extent IBM Warp. Where Apple screwed up royally was failing to license the technology so other companies could produce the hardware the way IBM did with the PC architecture. This has kept the price of Macs unnecessarily high and the volume extremely low.
Generally, if you're happy with what the box in front of you is doing there's little reason to switch in either direction. I have some friends who will likely be buried with their Apples.
I'm a CCNA & MCSE. I make my living supporting Microsoft networks but 5 of my 7 home boxes run BSD or Linux. The other two are for my gf. "

Yea, that's why I said originally macs would be considered better computers from the user's point of view, but with microsoft this has changed too.

-sk

 

[Code]

I use macs for factoring large primes at work. It's all about the floating points baby!

I use linux at work for e-mail, word processing and network related crap.

I don't use windows, if I want to play video games I'll use my PS2.