low igf levels

[bigorse]

so as many of you know i am 17 years old on hrt legitimately not from steroid use. i checked some blood tests today when i was at the doctors and i also have very low igf levels (190 om a scale of 195-750) yet my hgh levels were high (27 on a sclae of 10-29) im guessing this is because of the feedback loop. i have always noticed i have trouble recovering with joint and tendon issues which is why i no longer play baseball which i was very good at, i was left handed throwing 89mph at 15 years old! and have been sidelined from lifting for most of the last 8 months with a broken wrist that wont recover.

does anybody have any ideas about what i should do as i bet the endos wont help me as they wouldnt help me with my low t (i self medicate 150mg test e per week)

sick of having all these issues that are totally out of my control and just the hand i was dealt with. it's like it was fate for me to be a bodybuilder. despite having low t (175ng/dl) and low igf i still reached the size a am in my avatar pic without even hrt! but im guessig low igf is the reason i am 5 8 and come from a tall family, im the eldest sibling of 3 and equal shortest in the family!

please chime in guys.

 

[bigorse]

with all the study i have been doing i think it may be possible i have a myostatin defficiency allowing the me to get to my size and strength with low igf and low testosterone. i can legit squat 6 plates a side on cycle for 3-4 solid reps and can rep 5 plates out pretty easy. even now after barely training in ages a hit 5 plates a side for 5 good reps

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

What's your primary say?

 

[bigorse]

my primary?

 

[bigorse]

this is how i look after training for 2 of the last 8 months and not at all for the last 2 months. im leaner than i look from the front, its just horrible lighting. but even close to 40lbs down from my biggest i am still holding good size for my age without training so my genetics are above average.

i have been doing tonnes of cardio and keeping a good diet. had an ECG done and health is great from there and bloods were good on cycle but getting new bloods in a few days since being off 8 weeks.

 

[bigorse]

What's your primary say?

im unsure as to what you mean by this statement, but would love to hear your thoughts on both a general replacement therapy and performance aspect as i trust your experience and judgement along with a few other vets around here.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Primary physician.. My b

 

[bigorse]

she says that my igf levels shouldbt be high..
well no shit but they shouldnt be below the range either esp at my age. doctors over here are scared shitless of hormones and that. will try a different endo but will more than likely self treat again. would low dose gh pr igf be a better place to start?

 

[bigorse]

there has got to be a reason i could put on size and maintain it when i had low t and obviously low igf. i think a big reason with not being able to get prescription trt was because they thought i was using or had been using aas because of my size, every doctor or endo i saw seemed very skeptical when i said id never used.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Dont your igf levels only read high if test is taken after exogenous spike from artificial gh??? Also macro intake and time of testing will change the numbers... This I'm trying to remember off top of my head...

They should be monitoring your pituitary output and avoiding growth therapy.... FDA is extremely picky on whom they script growth too...

So they should start you with semorelin or another ghrp/ghrh combo to see if your levels are elevated... Then if your levels are still low, they will have the green flag to script you for humatrope or saizen...

Maintaining mass is diet related for sure... Regardless of test dose or igf levels... If your eating, your gaining... This is why I put such an emphasize on diet... Sounds to me like your thyroid output isn't low...lmfao

Igf-1 speaking, I'd avoid it... Way to expensive and the results are not ideal.... Better results from peptides....

They say using 500 mcg ipam n 100 mod-grf will cause a growth pulse equivalent of 5.5 ius of pharm grade growth... This is documented in a log done with patients using
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That combo at that dose was the best reading

 

[stevesmi]

i'm not familiar with your situation.. why are you on HRT at 17? do you have a testicular medical issue ? if so then that would probably explain your IGF-1 issues

I can tell you certain drugs will cause your IGF-1 to drop. nolvadex and clomid are two of them. what else are you on? aromasin will cause a rise though. so if you aren't using aromasin as your AI then I would swap it in as it will boost you 25% which would put you in range

 

[bigorse]

i'm not familiar with your situation.. why are you on HRT at 17? do you have a testicular medical issue ? if so then that would probably explain your IGF-1 issues

I can tell you certain drugs will cause your IGF-1 to drop. nolvadex and clomid are two of them. what else are you on? aromasin will cause a rise though. so if you aren't using aromasin as your AI then I would swap it in as it will boost you 25% which would put you in range

yes for an unknown reason my balls just shut down about 18 months ago likely from dieting to hard and over a period of 6-7 months they would not restart hence why im on hrt. on hrt i dont use any ai but when i go on i use arimidex which is meant to imcrease igf too. i never use serms or anything that lower igf

 

[bigorse]

Dont your igf levels only read high if test is taken after exogenous spike from artificial gh??? Also macro intake and time of testing will change the numbers... This I'm trying to remember off top of my head...

They should be monitoring your pituitary output and avoiding growth therapy.... FDA is extremely picky on whom they script growth too...

So they should start you with semorelin or another ghrp/ghrh combo to see if your levels are elevated... Then if your levels are still low, they will have the green flag to script you for humatrope or saizen...

Maintaining mass is diet related for sure... Regardless of test dose or igf levels... If your eating, your gaining... This is why I put such an emphasize on diet... Sounds to me like your thyroid output isn't low...lmfao

Igf-1 speaking, I'd avoid it... Way to expensive and the results are not ideal.... Better results from peptides....

They say using 500 mcg ipam n 100 mod-grf will cause a growth pulse equivalent of 5.5 ius of pharm grade growth... This is documented in a log done with patients using
100/100
250/100
250/200
500/100
500/200
1gram/100

That combo at that dose was the best reading

exactly! my igf levels should be in the upper end of within range at my age not below them. my TSH is the top of natural aswell.

tests were done fasted in the am when gh and igf levels should be highest, i was also on a cycle so igf should have been elevated from that. i have briefly used an igf 1 lr3 peptide but i started that post blood test but before i got my results back showing low igf.

i will see a new endo one last time and hopefully he will sort my igf out if its needed and my test levels as all my previous blood test before i self administered should be enough evidence that i need hrt. always had high LH and FSH and estrongen was in range yet my testosterone was completely crashed (175-200ng/dl range) over 6 months worth of blood tests.

 

[bigorse]

my biggest concern about getting a script for hrt which i definitely need and if next set of bloods also show low igf then igf/gh treatment is the traveling aspect. how the hell do you travel internationally if self administering hrt?

 

[zmyj88]

With a script

 

[bigorse]

With a script

exactly right haha. doctors are completely against giving them out here esp. because of my age and im sure they think im lying when i said i never used aas before the blood tests that returned low which is the truth

 

[zmyj88]

Oh, Australia, I forgot ,Jesus yeah. That's a problem. There's ways yo travel with gear, but none of them really a great option

 

[bigorse]

Oh, Australia, I forgot ,Jesus yeah. That's a problem. There's ways yo travel with gear, but none of them really a great option

yeah traveling scares me. whilst bbuilding is my main priority i miss baseball too much to quit cold turkey after my injury and am now head coach of 3 high performance teams which will be traveling at some stage as i am confident we will qualify for nationals and possibly the world series with atleast 1 team so i will be traveling a fair bit. i really need my hrt script sorted out. igf i can live with being low as i dont feel shit because of low igf it just will have a negative impact on my ability to recover and esp since i have had a broken wrist for the last 8 months id like to get my igf back to get the fucker recovered so i can train again!

 

[zmyj88]

You could supp igf, but its not cheap and doesn't solve the root problem whatever it is

 

[bigorse]

You could supp igf, but its not cheap and doesn't solve the root problem whatever it is

i do have some reagent grade igf on me but i dont trust it and there is some people who believe rc igf is pointless because unless its recombinant igf it doesnt effect the body even though it will show igf elevated in blood tests.

mind if i drop you a pm on peptides and gh protocol more for performance than replacement and how you would modify it to go back to a cruise dose.

 

[zmyj88]

Nah, go ahead. And yeah, the regeant stuff you get for $60 could be better used by toss in it right in toilet... Less pinning