LOW dose cycles and endogenous test production

[Cuts]

I'm thinking about doing a really low dose cycle sometime in the future. I was considering 50mg/week Deca/EQ with 125mg/2weeks Sust. My logic is this: any amount of exogenous anabolic hormes over the amount naturally produced within the body can be effective for increasing muscle mass. For example, in the cycle above, that comes out to 16mg/day of exogenous test. How much do the testes of a normal male produce per day? If it's less than 16, shouldn't this cycle be somewhat effective? I'm thinking of this as an "almost natural" cycle... no real sides, no water bloat, no gyno, no hair loss, but with proper nutrition and hard workouts, noticeable musclular gains over say 12 weeks. What do ya'll think?

Oh yeah, I'm a roid novice (only done 2 mild cycles). I doubt this would work on a vet.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I don't know about this. This just looks like a waste of gear to me. I mean, let's compare a 12 week cycle of that, which will more than likely shut your natural test down (deca shuts off natural test better than anything) vs. 500mg/week of test and 400mg/week of deca.

The second cycle will win everytime. And if you are going to have a pin stuck in your ass, you might as well make it worthwhile.

 

[serge]

any levels of synthetic testosterone will shut down your HPTA, but at the same time the doses you proposing will do much for your growth, its a recipe for disaster

 

[Cuts]

Is there someone out there who has tried anything like this before? Ever heard of anything like this before?

 

[Clambake]

Don't do it...

a.) You will probably shut down your production anyway.
b.) if Not, almost by definition, you're not getting much benefit. If you were, then a.) would come into play

In short, if it don't shut down your natural production, it ain't doin' shit (with minor exceptions).

A two week cycle will even shut it down, it will just come online quickly. Even primo and Anavar will shut down your production to some degree at moderate doses, contrary to popular belief.

 

[koen]

I have a friend who has been on very low dosis steroids for almost a year now (100 mg deca a week, 100 mg primo every two weeks, then winny, then primo/deca again). He gained some solid decent mass from this cycle, he looks very hard. He is still on this 'cycle' only he just added some test to it 250 mg test every two weeks.

 

[Clambake]

koen - That would work (if you want to permanently shrivel your nuts .

He's at supraphysiological levels of juice (though not by much) so he'll see some gains. And he's always on, so they'll stick, though he'll hit a plateau and won't get real big.

And if he ever comes off there's a good chance he's fucked (no more natural T production).