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enlightenment

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Hey everyone, I needed some opinions regarding loss of libido.

I ran anavar for 3 weeks @ 70mg ED ad and experienced a reduction of libido at the end of the cycle. I know i made a stupid move of running anavar without test.

I waited for 4 weeks after that "cycle" and went for a real cycle after that.

I started Sustanon, Deca Durabolin 4ml each every week 1 day for 12 weeks, with Anadrol 50mg for 50 days. Arimidex EOD.

My libido has come back, but its still not as strong as before. Will a good PCT after my cycle get my libido back to normal??

I'm worried, need help guys. Hope my testosterone production returns back to normal after this cycle and the PCT.
 
enlightenment said:
Thanks, should I continue my 12 week cycle?? There is nothing to fear about right??
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So you basically suppressed yourself. You weren't fully recovered and you start a big cycle with 4ml deca per week in. No wonder you are having issues. Added to the fact from your posts you obviously worry a lot so it will likely only get worst. I would stop the deca and carry on with your cycle but start tapering down the test. I would start HCG injections at 500Iu twice weekly (the night before your test injections). Then start a pct of tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate with Exemestane (Aromasin). What dose of adex are you using on cycle?
 
Toss some prami into your pct along with exemestane. That will get your estrogen and prolactin levels back to normal range.

If you're still having problems after that, it could be a dopamine issue . Juice can makeep your libido skyrocket and you may get a dopamine overload from being so aroused and become desensitized to dopamine. It's the same thing that happens with porn induced ED.

This has happened to me with tren, I finished tren in November of 2013 and I still have libido issues and ED . This is even after doing 2 other cycles with hcg and after pct my bloods were all in range for test, e2, and prolactin.


Until I recently started supplementing CDP Choline and Sulbutiamine, life has been shit. Now I'm actually getting boners and am wanting to fuck my girlfriend. Both will increase dopamine receptor density and Sulbutiamine has been shown to "cure" psychogenic ED.

I'm not 100% but I'm waaaaay better than I was just a couple months ago. Don't waste time man. Get some choline cdp and sulbutiamine.


PS dude, do NOT watch porn to test yourself . It will make things worse. And just stay away from 19-nors, they just don't settle well with some of us.
 
5 years ago this thread would have not been neglected like this. Where can a guy go for help, if not here?
Just remember bro, your body wants to level out, your taking some hard stuff, well known to have harsh sides, when you let your body balance itself everything will work fine again.
My advice is find another forum with real bro's who will help you.
 
hard2handle said:
5 years ago this thread would have not been neglected like this. Where can a guy go for help, if not here?
Just remember bro, your body wants to level out, your taking some hard stuff, well known to have harsh sides, when you let your body balance itself everything will work fine again.
My advice is find another forum with real bro's who will help you.
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Yeah, people are unnecessarily cocky or speak shite like you gonna be on trt for the rest of your life.

I'm rubbing one out (no gf @ present) `1x in 2 or 1x in 3 days or even 2x in 3 days with lots of load, but used to do it once everyday earlier.

Is there a reason to worry about?? Or am i worrying unnecessarily??

Some real bros like this one wanna help me out? -)
 
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Here's my recommendation when I am shut down hard. I do Tren cycles, so I do have issues:
1. While you are ON cycle, use HCG.
2. Now, to correct your current problem, get blood work done. check your LH and FSH as well as test.

To correct LH: HCG, Nolva. To correct LH, FSH: HMG, Clomid.

Here's what I suggest, others can correct me, but:
1. Start first with two weeks of HCG or even better HMG, inject twice daily 200 IU's. If you get a reaction, you will actually feel a tingling in your nuts. When you get back some action in them, stop the injections.
2. Then continue with a mix of Nolvadex and Clomid. Keep that going for 3-4-5 weeks, what ever necessary. Take blood work and make sure your nuts are getting back to full form and shape.

You must always do a PCT, no matter if its a var cycle. If you double cycle, it's going to be harsh. I also stay awat from Deca; Tren is stronger and actually shuts me down less than Deca. Google Deca dick and you know what I mean.

Don't worry: you should get back your little buddies back to full swing again.

Andy
 
I did an HCG at the end of the cycle and nolvadex as PCT for 3 weeks. Now my libido that had dropped to 40% from 100% has increased to 70%, after completing the PCT.

Should i be patient and wait for it to get back to 100% or should i do a 2nd PCT after some bloodwork??

Thanks for the help guys
 
Just wait and give it some time. It could be a month or a couple, but youll most likely want to fuck your girl again just as much as before. You worry to much. every body shuts down, recoops and return to the norm if you havnt done a looooooooooong cycle and a poor pct
 
krill89 said:
Just wait and give it some time. It could be a month or a couple, but youll most likely want to fuck your girl again just as much as before. You worry to much. every body shuts down, recoops and return to the norm if you havnt done a looooooooooong cycle and a poor pct
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Thanks for an uplifting reply. My anavar cycle was for 3 and a half weeks. After 25 days I ran a test-sustanon cycle for 10 weeks. 15 days after which I did a PCT. HCG injections 4 times and nolvadex 60-30-20.

So was my cycle long or pct improper?? Nothing to worry about right?? Or should I do a 2nd PCT??
 
No, you should be good bro. Just give it some time, let you body balance out natty and youll be back again.

Next time around you should add some exemestane to your pct
 
krill89 said:
No, you should be good bro. Just give it some time, let you body balance out natty and youll be back again.

Next time around you should add some exemestane to your pct
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Thanks for your advice brah. I finished my PCT 20 days ago, when should my full libido and erection quality be back roughly? It's at 75% at the moment.

Also, I feel there is slight testicular atrophy, do I need more hcg?

Your posts really relaxed me. Thanks kindbrah
 
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It's hard to say because everybody's different. For me, before i started to cruise and blast it could be up to roughly 3 months give or take before libido etc where back to norm. after my last pct my libido and ejaculations where better then ever. Go figure.. :p as for the hcg i wouldnt run any more. It could actually backfire and shut you down more. As mentioned before, give it time and let your body natty balance out. It'll most likely work it self out :)
 
im new to the forums but have about 6 cycles under my belt including tren ace, tren enanthate, winny, test enanthate and prop, NPP, clen/T3 and Tbol. i have never used Nolvadex or HCG, have noticed shrinkage during cycle but then my boys plump up within 3-4 days of 50 mg clomid. i have used alternating methods of clomid including the 300,150,100, 50 method and just 50 mgs a day. basically my point is next time use clomid only. its strong enough and i dont really get so emotional as others have stated. the only compound that i would say took slightler longer for my libido to bounce back is the NPP but also the gains from that cycle seem much more permanent- Good Luck brutha
 
I'd do a longer pct than 3 weeks. I usually go 5-6 weeks when I do pct but I stick to nolva, clomid and aromasin. I taper down week by week and drop the aromasin around week 4.

3 weeks wouldn't get me back to normal.
 
How long ago was your courses?
Doing PCT generally doesnt help with Deca dick, most cases the person's bloods are fine. Once the deca is out your system and your body gets back its natural levels you will be fine.

What people don't realise is that Deca/Tren/anavar messes up your brains reward circuitry specifically dopamine. You get a blunted response to stimulus that would normally give you a high. For example sexual stimulus, cocaine, alcohol, amphetimines. You need to let your body recover over time.

You say you are wanking many times a day this makes it worse and you will soon have porn induced ED, or something similar if you are not watching porn but still wanking. Your already damaged dopamine receptors are taking a beating from the over stimulus you are providing by wanking, as this releases a stack of dopamine. Soon your body will start shutting down the dopamine receptors and you will be depreased, your normal levels of dopamine will decrease and inturn prolactin increase causing you no sexual desire.

All you need to do to stop this is stop wanking for a while. Let your body recover to normal over time. Do not test to see if you can get a hard on. Google nofap and your brain on porn to find out more. as someone already stated some people suppliment with sublutiamine, choline CDP and DHA to help them along.

I had this problem, and now on the road to recovery.

Hope this help.
 
Mr.niteShadez said:
im new to the forums but have about 6 cycles under my belt including tren ace, tren enanthate, winny, test enanthate and prop, NPP, clen/T3 and Tbol. i have never used Nolvadex or HCG, have noticed shrinkage during cycle but then my boys plump up within 3-4 days of 50 mg clomid. i have used alternating methods of clomid including the 300,150,100, 50 method and just 50 mgs a day. basically my point is next time use clomid only. its strong enough and i dont really get so emotional as others have stated. the only compound that i would say took slightler longer for my libido to bounce back is the NPP but also the gains from that cycle seem much more permanent- Good Luck brutha
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Thanks for the tip on clomid. My cycle ended on 30th April. And my PCT ended on 16th May. Would clomid usage now help??
 
boomtownboy said:
How long ago was your courses?
Doing PCT generally doesnt help with Deca dick, most cases the person's bloods are fine. Once the deca is out your system and your body gets back its natural levels you will be fine.

What people don't realise is that Deca/Tren/anavar messes up your brains reward circuitry specifically dopamine. You get a blunted response to stimulus that would normally give you a high. For example sexual stimulus, cocaine, alcohol, amphetimines. You need to let your body recover over time.

You say you are wanking many times a day this makes it worse and you will soon have porn induced ED, or something similar if you are not watching porn but still wanking. Your already damaged dopamine receptors are taking a beating from the over stimulus you are providing by wanking, as this releases a stack of dopamine. Soon your body will start shutting down the dopamine receptors and you will be depreased, your normal levels of dopamine will decrease and inturn prolactin increase causing you no sexual desire.

All you need to do to stop this is stop wanking for a while. Let your body recover to normal over time. Do not test to see if you can get a hard on. Google nofap and your brain on porn to find out more. as someone already stated some people suppliment with sublutiamine, choline CDP and DHA to help them along.

I had this problem, and now on the road to recovery.

Hope this help.
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Thank you! My cycle ended on 30th April and PCT ended on 16th May.

I'll follow your advice and stop rubbing one out for a while.
 
Vast said:
I'd do a longer pct than 3 weeks. I usually go 5-6 weeks when I do pct but I stick to nolva, clomid and aromasin. I taper down week by week and drop the aromasin around week 4.

3 weeks wouldn't get me back to normal.
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Should I do a 2nd pct then?

What are the steps I could take to renew my libido and erection quality at present? Or do I just wait for it to return on its own? At times I get proper hard ons, at times they lack in quality.

I'm glad I don't have a gf at present.
 
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All you really need to do is wait. Do not do any more pct that will just keep your body at out of sync levels. Deca stays around in the body for a long time, I am not sure if the metabolites of deca continue to affect the body detrimentally or not so just keep your body clean and active on the inside with good diet etc.

And really, do not wank to porn, not even once while you are recovering. It can actually be quite serious as even once a day builds up the neuropathways especially after a steroid cycle that fucks everything in your body up.
 
enlightenment said:
Should I do a 2nd pct then?

What are the steps I could take to renew my libido and erection quality at present? Or do I just wait for it to return on its own? At times I get proper hard ons, at times they lack in quality.

I'm glad I don't have a gf at present.
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I'd wait it out before doing anything, you just came off a month ago and your pct ended 5/16 which means it was barely 2 weeks. You have a long road to recovery unfortunately but at least you can use this experience to learn what not to do next time. Goes to show that a proper pct is the most crucial part of a cycle. I wish you a speedy recovery and the best of luck, I highly doubt your condition is permanent.
 
Thanks for all your help guys. I doubt my condition is permanent either, cause as time passes its getting better. But i'm still pretty worried.....

I'm contemplating of getting blood tests done. What all should i check??
 
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Should I wait it out for 3 months, or should I take out a blood test??

I'm getting decent hard ons once in 3 days when I rub out using my hand, but my lizard isn't getting up on its own.

I have simply stopped masturbating now as one of you suggested. I just get it hard to test it on and off.
 
Blood test 100% this not even a question

Bloods are the most important

Guys always use the symptoms to go on cycle or come off or gauge the level of test its 100% shit guys have had great sex drives and shit test levels and Vice versa!! I'm one of them at test levels of 198 total test about 4 yrs ago I had the sex drive of a 16 ur old

Who would have thought !
 
enlightenment said:
Should I wait it out for 3 months, or should I take out a blood test??

I'm getting decent hard ons once in 3 days when I rub out using my hand, but my lizard isn't getting up on its own.

I have simply stopped masturbating now as one of you suggested. I just get it hard to test it on and off.
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You were shut down for 19 weeks and did an incomplete (no clomid, aromasin, natty test boosters) 3 week PCT. You will get back to normal eventually, but I'd say 3-4 months. Get some natural test boosters and you'll recover faster. No need to redo PCT at this point.
 
^

Thanks buddy. Next time i'll make sure I use clomid, aromasin along with nolvadex and hcg.

Which natty test booster are you talking about?? Tribulus?? How much do i take it??
 
I am having similar issues..
This is my second cycle and last cycle i started off as a beast, but halfway through started to lose my libido and started getting limpdick pretty bad.. Did a solid pct and got it all back
Now start of second cycle and same issue, except on the same day as my first enth shot. I took 12.5 aromasin, but it even possible for enth to aromatize that quickly?
Either way i got a big weekend cumin up id like to perform.. Cialis etc doesnt do it for me either which tells me its hormonal/psychogenic with some immediate effect from test. Im wondering if i burnt out my dopamine last cycle when i was on a lot of test and eq and winny and then added cabergoline.. I will try the subultiamine and ctp choline, since i have some, tomorrow. any other suggestions or ideas what could be going on here? I dont want to foil this cycle cuz i cant get it up but shitt, its a tough decision!
 
InfiniteOne said:
I am having similar issues..
This is my second cycle and last cycle i started off as a beast, but halfway through started to lose my libido and started getting limpdick pretty bad.. Did a solid pct and got it all back
Now start of second cycle and same issue, except on the same day as my first enth shot. I took 12.5 aromasin, but it even possible for enth to aromatize that quickly?
Either way i got a big weekend cumin up id like to perform.. Cialis etc doesnt do it for me either which tells me its hormonal/psychogenic with some immediate effect from test. Im wondering if i burnt out my dopamine last cycle when i was on a lot of test and eq and winny and then added cabergoline.. I will try the subultiamine and ctp choline, since i have some, tomorrow. any other suggestions or ideas what could be going on here? I dont want to foil this cycle cuz i cant get it up but shitt, its a tough decision!
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Get bloods
 
Stackinplates said:
I would check your estrogen levels prolactin levels and shbg
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Okay, i'll get them checked soon as well. But my problem doesn't seem permanent does it?? I'll recover naturally or with some cure right??

I've been getting morning wood pretty regularly, and it's decent in quality, but when I remove my lizard to rub one out during the day, there is a lack of quality in the hardness
 
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Here are my initial bloods

Total Testosterone 2161

FSH 0.09

LH < 0.07

Free Testosterone 13.71

What should be my next move?? Please Help. Helllllppppp.

Am I going to be fine??
 
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I don't have to do anything? Or is there some supplement I have to take? Or do I do a 2nd pct of hcg + hmg then some nolva and clomid to fix my FSH and LH. I think a 2nd pct would make me recover surely. My FSH and LH are really low.

Thanks for all your support friends and brothers
 
Stackinplates said:
See right here dude
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Yes, I'm going to check estrogen, prolactin levels and SHBG.

I'd already given the earlier tests before the time you asked me to check these. I will take another blood test to check these.

From my current reports, what do you understand? What could be the solution?
 
Yea dude. I don't know enough to help you there. Definitely check into your E2. It'll take a while to recover though. Libido is esp tricky.
 
Stacking Plates, I'm going to run hcg 2x a week for a month @ 1000iu and hmg 75iu for 3x a week for a month together. Gonna do nolvadex, clomid after that. Should I start nolva and clomid with the start of hcg and hmg or after I finish my hcg and hmg shots?

All this to fix FSH & LH

My FSH is 0.09

LH is < 0.07

Total test is 2161

Free test is 13.71

Come on people, help a brother out. Please, only those who are sure what they're talking about
 
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Ur current bloods dont tell me a thing besides that ur still suppressed ( but we all already knew that ) I believe it it is shbg prolactin or estrogen related ! As to why ur libido is suffering

With a lot of deca guys get prolactin issues and that's killer on sex drive


My next question is are u experiencing any other symptoms or sides?!

Mood
Trouble sleeping
Sweats


??
 
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I still can't figure out why ur test is so high?!!! And u have been off cycle for a wile

Did u get bloods done wile u were on cycle ?!

Also I would do this and most might not agree with me

But this is me

Hcg 2500 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks
Then hit clomid and nolva

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva. 40/40/20/20

Honestly this is what I used to do for pct when I would come off
The hcg is a blast most will say dose it to high but honestly that always kicked things into high gear with the hcg so I always did .5 Adex eod or e2d wile on hcg then dropped it to .25 e2d wold on clomid etc

But I need to see where ur estrogen is before ya venture into this cuz with high e2 we need toolset it before u hcg blast
 
Stackinplates said:
I still can't figure out why ur test is so high?!!! And u have been off cycle for a wile

Did u get bloods done wile u were on cycle ?!

Also I would do this and most might not agree with me

But this is me

Hcg 2500 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks
Then hit clomid and nolva

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva. 40/40/20/20

Honestly this is what I used to do for pct when I would come off
The hcg is a blast most will say dose it to high but honestly that always kicked things into high gear with the hcg so I always did .5 Adex eod or e2d wile on hcg then dropped it to .25 e2d wold on clomid etc

But I need to see where ur estrogen is before ya venture into this cuz with high e2 we need toolset it before u hcg blast
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No, I got my bloods done last week for the 1st time. My cycle ended on 30th April and 1st PCT ended 16th May. Do you see any problem with my high test levels??

I will follow your pct.

If my estrogen is high, what can be done?? I'm looking to start this pct ASAP.

Can I begin your pct 1st, then get my estrogen, SHBG, prolactin checked after a few days?

Is armidex absolutely required with the hcg? Is it to prevent gyno?

Thanks for all your help buddy, means a lot to me

Do you think I can recover completely?? I'm extremely worried.
 
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Stackinplates said:
Ur current bloods dont tell me a thing besides that ur still suppressed ( but we all already knew that ) I believe it it is shbg prolactin or estrogen related ! As to why ur libido is suffering

With a lot of deca guys get prolactin issues and that's killer on sex drive


My next question is are u experiencing any other symptoms or sides?!

Mood
Trouble sleeping
Sweats


??
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Nope, no other symptoms. Will the pct you suggested sort my shbg, prolactin and estrogen problem along with suppression??
 
U will recover just relax man don't stress so much!!

I advise not to stRt pct till u get ur bloods done cuz hcg will raise estro and we don't want that to happen if ur already high and yes Adex is important in pct especially when u blast hcg so I don't have estro problems
 
Yea that's what it's for 👍

What milligrams where u running a week ? On both compounds ?
Deca especially need to know that
 
That's a valid point but I perfer Adex that's just me always has worked 110% and I will keep it that way
 
Stackinplates said:
Yea that's what it's for ��

What milligrams where u running a week ? On both compounds ?
Deca especially need to know that
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Sustanon 4ml once a week
Deca 4ml once a week

700 mg deca bolde combo

650 mg sustanon

Ran both for 10 weeks

Is an AI like arimidex or aromasin fine when used with hcg for pct??

I should run the clomid and nolva after the hcg & hmg right??
 
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enlightenment said:
Stacking Plates, I'm going to run hcg 2x a week for a month @ 1000iu and hmg 75iu for 3x a week for a month together. Gonna do nolvadex, clomid after that. Should I start nolva and clomid with the start of hcg and hmg or after I finish my hcg and hmg shots?

All this to fix FSH & LH

My FSH is 0.09

LH is < 0.07

Total test is 2161

Free test is 13.71

Come on people, help a brother out. Please, only those who are sure what they're talking about
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Okay, I'm contemplating whether to run the HCG and HMG. I just read online that HCG could lower LH or FSH even further after temporarily raising it.

Should I run the hcg and hmg bros? Or would only a 2nd PCT of clomid and nolva help?

Please reply and help fast bros, time is running out.

I need to know whether Hcg and hmg would cause further suppression of LH and FSH, or would their values go up.

If I run only nolvadex and clomid, do I have to run an AI with it?? Will nolvadex and clomid alone raise FSH and LH levels?
 
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Or will small doses of HCG not shut me down further?? Should I take the HCG and HMG before I start off with nolvadex and clomid?? Many PCTs I read about online suggest that after you're shut down you should take HCG 1st and then Nolva and Clomid. Is that right??
 
Hey dude I have given u plenty of advice

And we have exchanged MANY PM's

My last piece of advice is this

STOP trippin out and worring

Ur starting to stress me out and u are asking 500,000 questions

The the advice
Execute it and report back

Then if we run across any issues after or along the way we can assist

If u keep worrying and asking the same things over and over ima lock this thread
 
Btw I told u when and how much I would do!

Ur gonna go crazy trying to read everyone's different protocol dosing and timing and executing it just perfect you're never going to figure it out exactly until you start it's trial and error so stop trippin on here and worrying so much and just execute the original plan

Ur giving me anxiety and I just got that shit under control mid cycle

So chill dude it's all good man
 
I started a 2nd pct of clomid 100/50/25/25 and nolva 60/40/20/20

After the first day of my PCT my libido increased and I had a good hard on. But the next day it completely disappeared and has stayed that way. I didn't even get morning wood today. My nuts are much bigger in size though.

What do I do now?? Continue with the PCT or abandon it?? Or simply start tapering the doses instantly??
Do you think an endocrinologist can help me??

Please help guys.
 
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