Looking for P.C.T. Cycle Advice Please..

[ProMed]

Brief bio: 6'1" 229 (slight existing gynecomastia) with several cycles under my belt over 5 years ago, focusing mostly on cutting fat. Will also be taking Amplify02 and Lipoflame.

Here is my current cycle plan:
Week 1-10 - Weekly - testosterone enanthate 500mg (Watson)
Week 1-10 - EOD - Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - 100mg (homebrew)

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - supplies on hand:
1- Liquid Femera (Letrozole) 30ml @ 2.5mg/ml
1- Liquid Clomid 30ml @ 50mg/ml
1- Liquid Nolvadex 30ml @ 25mg/ml

I am looking for help in deciding how much and when to administer any of these PCTs. Would also like to know if this will be enough PCT since I would like to have everything on hand before starting.

Thanks in advance!

 

[enacer420nj]

Brief bio: 6'1" 229 (slight existing gynecomastia) with several cycles under my belt over 5 years ago, focusing mostly on cutting fat. Will also be taking Amplify02 and Lipoflame.

Here is my current cycle plan:
Week 1-10 - Weekly - testosterone enanthate 500mg (Watson)
Week 1-10 - EOD - Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - 100mg (homebrew)

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - supplies on hand:
1- Liquid Femera (Letrozole) 30ml @ 2.5mg/ml
1- Liquid Clomid 30ml @ 50mg/ml
1- Liquid Nolvadex 30ml @ 25mg/ml

I am looking for help in deciding how much and when to administer any of these PCTs. Would also like to know if this will be enough PCT since I would like to have everything on hand before starting.

Thanks in advance!

Id only run the tren for 8 weeks, but if you have preexisting gyno I would recommend a good AI probably 25mg aromasin ED..you could split up the tren to 50mg ED for stable levels also....Id get some HCG for your PCT

 

[cadey]

id split the test injects too say 250 mg monday 250 mg thursday.

 

[gjohnson5]

God , drop the femara during pct and get HCG or do some of the OTC PCT options

myogenx; http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829
Dermacrine Sustain: http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm

Stacking these 2 has been successful even in cases where HCG was not successul in treating hpta shutdown...

 

[hyp1]

Brief bio: 6'1" 229 (slight existing gynecomastia) with several cycles under my belt over 5 years ago, focusing mostly on cutting fat. Will also be taking Amplify02 and Lipoflame.

Here is my current cycle plan:
Week 1-10 - Weekly - testosterone enanthate 500mg (Watson)
Week 1-10 - EOD - Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - 100mg (homebrew)

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - supplies on hand:
1- Liquid Femera (Letrozole) 30ml @ 2.5mg/ml
1- Liquid Clomid 30ml @ 50mg/ml
1- Liquid Nolvadex 30ml @ 25mg/ml

I am looking for help in deciding how much and when to administer any of these PCTs. Would also like to know if this will be enough PCT since I would like to have everything on hand before starting.

Thanks in advance!

stay away from the nolvadex for post cycle therapy if you run trenbolone acetate because the novladex will upregulate your progesterone receptors and cause gynecomastia

that femara is at extremely high dose bro,that's going to kill your sex drive.

if I were you I would start HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - injections @500iu's for 10 days straight immediately after your last testosterone injection.then wait 10.5 days(for the test to clear your system) and start dermacrine sustain and run that for an entire month,at which time I would run the clomid @50mgs a night for a couple of weeks.....

if you use the dermacrine sustain you can drop the femera entirely,the sustain will actually boost your sex drive also btw

 

[gjohnson5]

If it were trenbolone ace , I wouldn't worry about it because it's a very fast acting ester. He's using trenbolone e and hence I have to agree with removing novaldex until you know the progestin has cleared your system.

stay away from the nolvadex for post cycle therapy if you run trenbolone acetate because the novladex will upregulate your progesterone receptors and cause gynecomastia

that femara is at extremely high dose bro,that's going to kill your sex drive.

 

[Nathan]

Why does everyone say hcg?

 

[gjohnson5]

Because it works...

 

[Nathan]

Because it works...

What about clomid or nolva if testicular mass is already present? I was always under the impression hcg is only really needed if your nuts shrink.

 

[gjohnson5]

We need to look at hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - and how the glands interact
The purpose of clomid and novaldex is to avoid estrogen rebound post cycle and to increase GnRH. Clomid can stimulate the hypothalamus to increased production of GnRH. Increased Gonatropin releasing Hormone helps the pituitary should start secreting Lutenizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. This increase helps the testicles to start producing testosterone

But there are studies which indicate clomid may not be very useful in to increasing testosterone levels along with it side effects

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in a guy mimics Lutenizing hormone, so this injection can override several steps in the HPTA loop to help stimulate the testicles to start producing testosterone. Having said this , HCG definitly has it's place

What about clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - if testicular mass is already present? I was always under the impression HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - is only really needed if your nuts shrink.

 

[Nathan]

We need to look at hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - and how the glands interact
The purpose of clomid and novaldex is to avoid estrogen rebound post cycle and to increase GnRH. Clomid can stimulate the hypothalamus to increased production of GnRH. Increased Gonatropin releasing Hormone helps the pituitary should start secreting Lutenizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. This increase helps the testicles to start producing testosterone

But there are studies which indicate clomid may not be very useful in to increasing testosterone levels along with it side effects

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - in a guy mimics Lutenizing hormone, so this injection can override several steps in the HPTA loop to help stimulate the testicles to start producing testosterone. Having said this , HCG definitly has it's place

Thanks for the info dude. Good post. But clomid can work just as well to get the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - going correct? Even while shut down as well, just like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ? I seem to recall having done blood tests to confirm that a few years ago. I remember my lh - leutenizing hormone - being at like an 11 or something and was like sweet, when this test clears I should be ready to go. Never used HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . If my LH is high, my pituitary gland is being stimulated and is working.

 

[gjohnson5]

That would depend on the person. In some people , yes. I remember Khemix saying he could inject testosterone , tren ace and do turnabol and never be shutdown... I can see shrinkage just from AIFM. It depends on the person.

But if Lh and FSH are normal or high, then yes, I would say the htpa loop and in particular the pituitary part of the loop is working

Thanks for the info dude. Good post. But clomid can work just as well to get the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - going correct? Even while shut down as well, just like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - ? I seem to recall having done blood tests to confirm that a few years ago. I remember my lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - being at like an 11 or something and was like sweet, when this test clears I should be ready to go. Never used HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . If my LH is high, my pituitary gland is being stimulated and is working.

 

[Nathan]

That would depend on the person. In some people , yes. I remember Khemix saying he could inject testosterone , trenbolone ace and do turnabol and never be shutdown... I can see shrinkage just from AIFM. It depends on the person.

But if lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - are normal or high, then yes, I would say the htpa loop and in particular the pituitary part of the loop is working

Beautiful, I love you. Thank you. That was what I was getting at. I actually found I used to get very slight shrinkage for my first couple cycles then it stopped for the next few I did.

 

[ProMed]

Thanks for the replies everyone, I appreciate it.

 

[Nathan]

Promed - check out my thread on hcg I posted. Lots of good info very similar to this thread, except more discussion of hcg. I'd still like to see some studies to support how Powerful hcg is supposed to be c0ompared to clomid.

 

[ProMed]

For sure, just finished reading it, good stuff. I had a full blood workup done recently before I start so it will be interesting to compare with the post-cycle results.

 

[matta862002]

good thread good reading

 

[ProMed]

stay away from the nolvadex for post cycle therapy if you run trenbolone acetate because the novladex will upregulate your progesterone receptors and cause gynecomastia

that femara is at extremely high dose bro,that's going to kill your sex drive.

if I were you I would start HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - injections @500iu's for 10 days straight immediately after your last testosterone injection.then wait 10.5 days(for the test to clear your system) and start dermacrine sustain and run that for an entire month,at which time I would run the clomid @50mgs a night for a couple of weeks.....

if you use the dermacrine sustain you can drop the femera entirely,the sustain will actually boost your sex drive also btw

Thanks for the advice, especially on the Nolvadex since I have been getting conflicting advice with my research. The Femera I listed was not my "dose", but rather just the amount I have available if needed. However would it be advisable to use it at any time since I already have a little pre-existing gyno to try and reverse it? If so, at what dose/ length?

I have ordered Dermacrine Sustain and HCG to have on hand, so thanks to everyone for that advice. I wasn't really wanting to use the Clomid again because if I remember correctly it turned me into an emotional bitch! I can't remember how much I was using since it was over 5 years ago, but will give it a shot again at the doseage you recommended since it is right in line with what I have been reading elsewhere.

 

[OMEGA]

We need to look at hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - and how the glands interact
The purpose of clomid and novaldex is to avoid estrogen rebound post cycle and to increase GnRH. Clomid can stimulate the hypothalamus to increased production of GnRH. Increased Gonatropin releasing Hormone helps the pituitary should start secreting Lutenizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone. This increase helps the testicles to start producing testosterone

But there are studies which indicate clomid may not be very useful in to increasing testosterone levels along with it side effects

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - in a guy mimics Lutenizing hormone, so this injection can override several steps in the HPTA loop to help stimulate the testicles to start producing testosterone. Having said this , HCG definitly has it's place

I cried when I read thsi post


good info

 

[OMEGA]

PCT gold:

1)
7 day afer last shot start:
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 2000iu e4d for about 3 shots
Run with an aromatase inhibitor

2)
AFTER you stop HCG -START = Clomid at 50 mgs ED
Use and aromatase inhibitor with Clomid , run both for 3-4 weeks

3)
G-covery at 2 servings day for Anticatabolic/ immune system
Raw MCC at 1 serving a day for Phosphate and Magnesium Loading
Amplify02 Prewokout, but keep workout brief till you recover

 

[OMEGA]

Id only run the trenbolone for 8 weeks, -

agreed
week 8 or 9 it shoudl be dropped

 

[enacer420nj]

PCT - post cycle therapy - gold:

1)
7 day afer last shot start:
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 2000iu e4d for about 3 shots
Run with an aromatase inhibitor

wow 2000iu makes my nipples hurt just reading it...thats alot of HCG at once, wouldnt 500iu EOD be better for levels...what would you recomend as an AI during that Ive used letro with HCG kinda kills sex drive though..Ive also never gone with high dosage HCG because it tells your balls to start producing estrogen as well as test

 

[ProMed]

Ok, I have the HCG, Clomid, and D-Sustain for PCT, and Omega's products for during the cycle, so thanks for the advice.

I have read the postives for ED Fina shots, but would probably like to stay with EOD since I am a vagina. How does 129mg EOD with the homebrew Fina sound along with 250mg E4D with the TestE? Or maybe 300mg E4D with the TestE? Please keep in mind this is my first cycle in around 5 years and my diet is more focused for lean gains rather than bulking.

Thanks again!

 

[OMEGA]

shots, but would probably like to stay with EOD since I am a vagina. How does 129mg EOD with the homebrew Fina sound along with 250mg E4D with the testosterone enanthate?

Thanks again!

Vaginia? lol\\

250 with the Fina as you have it is doable

 

[ProMed]

250 with the Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - as you have it is doable

Thanks Omega, just so I am clear TestE @ 250mg E4D and Fina 129mg EOD is cool?

 

[ProMed]

Bump.

 

[OMEGA]

That pics sucks!

Anyway yes its cool

"just so I am clear testosterone enanthate @ 250mg E4D and Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - 129mg EOD is cool?"

 

[ProMed]

The cycle is going great, so thanks for the help from all of you.

I now have a prominent lump under my left nipple that is pretty sore if I press on it. My current plan has me with 5 weeks left on the Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - and then another 3 weeks until the Enanthate is finished. Below is a list of my PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - supplies on hand, how would you recommend I attempt to attack this gynecomastia?

1- Dermacrine Sustain
1- Liquid Femera (Letrozole) 30ml @ 2.5mg/ml
1- Liquid Clomid 30ml @ 50mg/ml
1- Liquid Nolvadex 30ml @ 25mg/ml

Thanks in advance for any advice!

 

[ProMed]

I also have a sealed bottle of Ttokkyo Stanozol 20cc 100mg/ml (exp.06/2003) but it may be a little to far past the expiration for use?