Look, HCG as a cycle....

[MrRTTB]

Ok my friend has been taking HCG now for 6 weeks and he has made some great results from this. I know I know, why do HCG as a cycle when there are roids? I ask this because I'm qurious if this might actually work and might be mild too the body. What about dbol 10mg in the morning + 500iu HCG per day for 6-7 weeks as a mild cycle? I actually did make gains while I stepped off testosterone and tren and added 500iu HCG as recovery for 12days. Those 12 days I was more horny than on cycle, my recvery was amazing and I felt great.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

daily hcg administration has a few problems, so you would have to think about your dosing carefully if you wanted to maintain high test levels.

all in all its an interesting idea (i wondered about it myself) but probably wouldnt be worth it. personally i wouldnt want to risk desensitising the LH receptors on the testes since you run a risk of resetting your hpta. this is speculatory, but still.

here read this:

The effects of chronic human chorionic gonadotropin treatment on Leydig cell function

GP Risbridger, DM Robertson and DM de Kretser

The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of chronic daily hCG treatment on interstitial cell function in the rat, as judged by plasma testosterone levels, the testicular binding of labeled hCG, and the capacity of the testis to respond to gonadotropin stimulation by the production of testosterone in vitro. TWenty-four hours after the first injection of 100 IU hCG there was a significant decline in hCG binding to testis homogenates and an inability to respond to hCG stimulation in vitro, After 7 days of daily injections of 10 IU or 100 IU hCG, the loss of hCG binding was maintained. However, despite the marked decline in hCG binding, there was an enhanced testosterone response to hCG stimulation in vitro, and plasma testosterone levels were significantly elevated. With continued injections of hCG for 14 or 21 days, the testes remained hyperresponsive to hCG stimulation in vitro, but hCG binding returned to control levels, and plasma testosterone concentrations declined and were not statistically different from controls. The latter changes probably result from the formation of specific hCG antibodies (Kd at 4 C, 7.8 +/- 4.5 X 10(-10) M) that were detected in plasma from rats treated for 14 or mopre days with hCG. The formation and levels of the hCG antibodies in these animals were sufficient to neutralize the effects of the exogenous hCG, thereby returning plasma testosterone levels to normal and restoring the complement of hCG

 

[MrRTTB]

ok, maybe it would be good in a "short cycle" wit dbol then, 4 weeks Hcg and 2 weeks dbol + 4 weeks masterone.
1-4 masterone
1-2 dbol 40mg ED
1-4 Hcg
5-8: Nolvadex

 

[GoldenDelicious]

i say its a waste to use it like that

if you use it alone, at least youll have some relative side effect free test increases

if youre going to use aas and supress your hpta, you may as well go the whole hog, so to speak.

all depends though, it may well be that such a short cycle with hcg might be only lowly supressive.

youd need more data before you could decide.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

Real good way to desensetize your testes to LH

 

[GoldenDelicious]

dunno about that, given the role of antibodies in tolerance

need to see more studies

 

[bowling ball nutz]

dunno about that, given the role of antibodies in tolerance

need to see more studies

studies or not it is a known fact, dont use hcg too much or too long or the testes will become desensitized to it

 

[GoldenDelicious]

its not a known fact. fact is it stops working but that isnt neccessarily due to testicular desensitisation. the above abstract is a perfect example of a different way in which response can decrease over time via a mechanism not related to the receptor itself.

the hcg molecules are being removed from the system before they even get near teh receptors on the testes via immunoglobilins

 

[MoTopher]

I have often wondered if a shot at the begining of a cycle would quickly raise test levels, and eliminate the need to front load.
Any opinions on that usage?