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Longest I can safely run Winny?

i ran it last summer for 12 weeks and had no liver problems after having my blood work checked, but when on i had blood work done and liver was high which is expected but it returned to normal ,i also loaded up on milk thistle...
 
If you arent going to get your bllod work done, you are always taking a risk. You may have a liver proble you dont know about, and even a short 4 week run could fuck you up. Happened to a guy on the board i know personally. Assuming you are in good health, 6 weeks of winny should be a problem. If you want to run it longer that that, have your values checked at the six week mark and about 3 weeks after that. The test is cheap, dont be stupid and scimp out on the 50 bucks.
 
ive ran orals for 4 months at a time, between bridging with anavar and going from dball too winny.
but i do get my liver checked and have always been in normal range
i guess im lucky and i dont use any liver protectants ever.
no milk thistle or whatever else you guys take
my blood work shows everything need to know
 
slyder190 said:
My next cycle I wanna spot inject with Winny. 50mg ED - 1st time using Winny. Is 12 weeks too long?

no, it is not too long.

Use a good or several good liver detoxifiers and you will be ok.
Besides, why not 100 mgr ED.

Jeff
 
If you're only doing 50mg ed 12 weeks won't be that bad on your liver. I do think that after 8 weeks you won't see the same types of gains. Personally I'd rather do 100mg/ed for 4 weeks.
 
Re: Re: Longest I can safely run Winny?

Jeff_rys said:


no, it is not too long.

Use a good or several good liver detoxifiers and you will be ok.
Besides, why not 100 mgr ED.

Jeff

Dude. Think about what you are saying. 12 weeks of winny at not, 50, but 100mg/d! Most likely his liver values are going to be through the roof, no matter what he takes. You, Jeff, are VERY fortunate if you have ran these type of cycles and have been ok. On the other hand, I have learned the hard way that orals can wreak havok on your body. Sure, ALA, Milk Thistle, NAC, C, E, all that stuff helps..BUT you CANNOT generalize and say he will be ok..because if i was him and you told me that, i would have liver cancer by now. its different for everyone bro.

Jeff, I respect you, and most of the stuff you have said, but please think again before making this kind of recommendation to someone.
 
Are the cycle lengths assumed to be at 50mg/day for the length?

What about?????
week 1 - 10mg a day
week 2 - 20mg a day
week 3 - 30mg a day
week 4 - 40mg a day
week 5 - 50mg a day
week 6 - 50mg a day
week 7 - 50mg a day
week 8 - 40mg a day
week 9 - 30mg a day
week 10 - 20mg a day
week 11 - 10mg a day

I'm doing my 1st cycle of Winny and Clen (30 years old, 195lbs, been training hard for 12 years)

I've been taking Liver Detox as well as 800+ mg ALA

I know this isn't the most intense cycle, but I'm starting week 7 right now and have made some very noticable gains.

Does this look reasonably safe?

Thanks,

Scott
 
gcp said:
Are the cycle lengths assumed to be at 50mg/day for the length?

What about?????
week 1 - 10mg a day
week 2 - 20mg a day
week 3 - 30mg a day
week 4 - 40mg a day
week 5 - 50mg a day
week 6 - 50mg a day
week 7 - 50mg a day
week 8 - 40mg a day
week 9 - 30mg a day
week 10 - 20mg a day
week 11 - 10mg a day

I'm doing my 1st cycle of Winny and Clen (30 years old, 195lbs, been training hard for 12 years)

I've been taking Liver Detox as well as 800+ mg ALA

I know this isn't the most intense cycle, but I'm starting week 7 right now and have made some very noticable gains.

Does this look reasonably safe?

Thanks,

Scott

Run your winny @ 50mg/d for 6-7 weeks max. You'll get nice results, and most likely your liver values will not increase that much. Get a blood test just to be sure. Im glad I did. It really opened up my eyes.
 
Re: Re: Re: Longest I can safely run Winny?

Suspension said:


Dude. Think about what you are saying. 12 weeks of winny at not, 50, but 100mg/d! Most likely his liver values are going to be through the roof, no matter what he takes. You, Jeff, are VERY fortunate if you have ran these type of cycles and have been ok. On the other hand, I have learned the hard way that orals can wreak havok on your body. Sure, ALA, Milk Thistle, NAC, C, E, all that stuff helps..BUT you CANNOT generalize and say he will be ok..because if i was him and you told me that, i would have liver cancer by now. its different for everyone bro.

Jeff, I respect you, and most of the stuff you have said, but please think again before making this kind of recommendation to someone.

Suspension, i wasn't referring to 100 mgr EO oral. I think Winny should be injected. No, i only did 3 weeks of 300 mgr Winny/week and then 3 weeks of 600/week, so a total of 6 weeks (ran out of Winny), but in the mean time i was hitting the Ox for 350 mgr/week and this for about 8 months. Liver was protected with L-reduced Glutathione and stayed in normal range.
So i guess, i could easily do 16 weeks of 100 mgr/day, just upping the L-reduced glutathione.
Anyone doing a longer period of Winny at high doses, should get a bloodtest after 8 weeks.

You are right....it is different for everybody, but i can only speak for myself, only post what i experienced myself.
On the other hand if doing 100 mgr Winny ED for a period of 12-16 weeks would give one cancer, that person should not touch roids no mather how low the doses.

Also, maybe i overdo sometimes in what i take, like doing 8 months of PGF2a, now that was unhealthy.

But as said you are right, next time i will say something like this:
if it was me, i would ........

Jeff
 
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