long term effects if any?

[cipherking]

I was having a disscustion about tren with some buddys about long term effects. I really want to use it but the thing is i havent seen any long term studys about it. I know there has been guys in their 70's that have been taking test for 30 plus years without any problems. Doctors use it as hrt,but tren is so strong how do u think it will effect your body in like 20,30 years. what do you guys think about this? does anyone have a long term study on tren?

 

[mattdan]

I'm pretty sure it was t.ren that permanently shut down my natural test levels, but I was taking a pretty high dose getting ready for a power lifting event.

 

[BigCracker]

Some people physically tolerate the more toxic compounds better than others. Most guys I know that use tren feel like shit except when they're in the gym. Unless you're gonna compete I'd avoid Tren and orals-especially A50 and Halotestin. I haven't been to the Dr in awhile, but by keeping my mgs low and avoiding the more toxic injectable AS choices, I've managed to avoid death from my current 18 yr long cycle/bridge/ramp/frontload/etc. I did get a few zits though and I haven't seen my nuts since 1991. lol

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Did you check in your girls purse? maybe she will give them back if you ask nicely. LOL

 

[cipherking]

thanks for your input guys. cracker thats exacty what i wanted to know. i know alot of guys that say just do it be a man. i say i want to but im not going to sacrifice my long term health just to look good. but i do think about it alot.lol

 

[advanced-stealth]

I have not seen any studies on trenbolone

 

[DJ_UFO]

Some people physically tolerate the more toxic compounds better than others. Most guys I know that use trenbolone feel like shit except when they're in the gym. Unless you're gonna compete I'd avoid Tren and orals-especially Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - and Halotestin. I haven't been to the Dr in awhile, but by keeping my mgs low and avoiding the more toxic injectable AS choices, I've managed to avoid death from my current 18 yr long cycle/bridge/ramp/frontload/etc. I did get a few zits though and I haven't seen my nuts since 1991. lol

Jesus Crhist mang! Excuse me for the straight question Sir but can you fuck without viagra?

 

[BigCracker]

Jesus Crhist mang! Excuse me for the straight question Sir but can you fuck without viagra?

Like the ad says "Not because I need it, but because I want it." lol

I aint gonna lie. The cock aint what it was 15-20 years ago. But I don't think I'm any worse off in that dept than most guys my age that never juiced. Besides, I'm glad I don't need sex like I did in my early 20's. Jerking off 3x a day and fucking the old lady 2x a day just to keep me from raping the cat is a major pain in the ass. Besides, Viagra gives me a nasty sinus headache. Cialis is better and lasts longer. "It's ready when I'm ready" Talk about guerilla marketing. Fuck me.

Also keep in mind a majority of those 18 years on my mgs were never over 250/wk-which most guys consider "off" by todays standards. I did take a month off here and there when availability was a problem, and a couple years ago I went off 6 months straight. That was a mistake cuz it took me 18 months of juicing to get back where I was. Plus I tore a pec!!! These days I stay around 400/wk and about 3x a year I'll bump it up to 1200/wk for 5-6 weeks at a time.

 

[LVTitan]

i dont think long term tren use is going to be as easily tolerated by the body as test, but i dont think that a few tren cycles that are short will fuck you up twenty years from now, but i do some guys who seem to think they are permanently shut down from using tren. i've never used it personally i stick with deca

 

[cipherking]

now this is the discussion that this site should have now and again. i here all to often guys saying up your dose, take more gear. I dont know if people are going around sticking them selves what tons of stuff or just talking shit.this thread has made me respect you guy for your honesty. I think ill leave the tre n alone and just stick with test and maybe dec a

 

[BigCracker]

now this is the discussion that this site should have now and again. i here all to often guys saying up your dose, take more gear. I dont know if people are going around sticking them selves what tons of stuff or just talking shit.this thread has made me respect you guy for your honesty. I think ill leave the tre n alone and just stick with test and maybe dec a

I've said it here a bazillion times-I grew on 200-400mgs a wk for years(often low dosed vet grade). The problem is the younger guys want everything yesterday. Upping the mgs eliminates a lot of the guesswork involved in diet and training. High mg guys never truly find out how to gain size or get ripped because their gains came in a bottle. They also lose them more quickly when they go off. The funny part is that 80% of the guys slamming these high mg cycles won't even workout anymore in another 5-10 years. Life will take a different path and they'll become bald, fat fucks, with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other. I'm 40 yrs old and still bang 23 yr old chicks. Not many guys my age can pull a chick that young without paying a pro. This is because age is just a number when you still look better than the guys in their age group.

I don't care how much $$$ you have or how tight your whip is, a buffed bod will get you more ass any day of the week. However, once a girl realizes all that is involved in looking this way(2+ hrs in the gym/day, watching your diet, sleeping 8 hrs/night, minimal socializing) she probably aint sticking around too long. That's OK. I like being a sport-fuck.

 

[cipherking]

I've said it here a bazillion times-I grew on 200-400mgs a wk for years(often low dosed vet grade). The problem is the younger guys want everything yesterday. Upping the mgs eliminates a lot of the guesswork involved in diet and training. High mg guys never truly find out how to gain size or get ripped because their gains came in a bottle. They also lose them more quickly when they go off. The funny part is that 80% of the guys slamming these high mg cycles won't even workout anymore in another 5-10 years. Life will take a different path and they'll become bald, fat fucks, with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other. I'm 40 yrs old and still bang 23 yr old chicks. Not many guys my age can pull a chick that young without paying a pro. This is because age is just a number when you still look better than the guys in their age group.

I don't care how much $$$ you have or how tight your whip is, a buffed bod will get you more ass any day of the week. However, once a girl realizes all that is involved in looking this way(2+ hrs in the gym/day, watching your diet, sleeping 8 hrs/night, minimal socializing) she probably aint sticking around too long. That's OK. I like being a sport-fuck.

bigcracker(feel weird calling u that since im black) i know u have been saying it and thats why im glad u chimed in on this thread. and your 100% right with kids wanting muscle as fast as possible, not willing to work hard in the gym.

 

[BigCracker]

bigcracker(feel weird calling u that since im black) i know u have been saying it and thats why im glad u chimed in on this thread. and your 100% right with kids wanting muscle as fast as possible, not willing to work hard in the gym.

Yeah, I feel like an old man spouting off about kids these days...blah blah blah. I grew up in a world where you had to wait for just about everything. If I needed to know about a paricular topic, I needed to flip through the encyclopedias until I found whatever it was that I needed. More often this involved getting in the car and driving to the library. I then had to look in a card catalog for my subject, search through a labryinth of bookshelves, and search for an individual book title. Nowadays I can google the subject online and have a bazillion sources in .07 second w/o even leaving my chair. Frozen dinners took 45 mins to cook in the stove-but now you can nuke one up in under 10 mins. If you wanted to talk to a girl on the phone, you needed to stay home so you didn't miss her call. Now there's voicemail, paging, textx, etc. Even games took awhile to set up the board, learn the rules, etc. Now we have x-box 360 where you can literally become the game in the push of a button. If I wanted to give a friend across the country a msg, it required writing a letter, stuffing an envelope, buting a stamp, and mailing. Then in a few days my letter would arrive and my msg would be received. Now that msg can by typerd out on my pc and emailed withing minutes. My point being, there's no reason for the younger generations to entertain the idea of being patient any longer since everything comes to them quickly and easily. Why should a great bod be any different??? Just up the dose to eliminate the guesswork involved and if you fuck up your body in the process??? No big deal. It can be treated, right??? Well, maybe, maybe not???

And don't sweat the cracker title. I embrace my race. Big Cracker is my slave name but my gangsta rappa name is Sug Whyte. lol

 

[Svengali]

Big Cracker is my slave name but my gangsta rappa name is Sug Whyte. lol

nice

 

[cipherking]

your one funny bro.lmao I dont even have a gangsta rappa name. but your so right on these topics. i guess from playing sports all my life (im 28) hard work was instilled in me early.