Long R3/IGF-1 Question

[mrplunkey]

Wanting to add IGF-1 to my GH combo. I've done the general research on IGF-1 (dosing, injection frequency, cycling, etc. etc.) and I'm very close to placing an order with Ancillary Guys.

Does anyone have a walkthrough on specifically how to work with the AG Long R3/IGF-1 kits? Just the handling, storage, dose conversions, etc. etc. would be very helpful.

 

[bigpoppa p]

IGF-1 is awesome bro. BUT I would not mix it with GH. Kind of redundant. Also make sure you go IM with IGF and not sub-q. PEACE

 

[mrplunkey]

IGF-1 is awesome bro. BUT I would not mix it with GH. Kind of redundant. Also make sure you go IM with IGF and not sub-q. PEACE

I read that the two (HGH and IGF-1) were synergistic. Did I get bad info?

 

[black sheep]

**Taken from Lawnsaver's Post***

Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass.

 

[bigpoppa p]

I have always been told that the IGF-1 release is the main benefit you get from GH supplementation. Though i do suppose GH would be good for localized fat reduction. PEACE

 

[learningfast]

Bump... anyone willing to give me the walk-through on using the AG kit?

 

[Mr.X]

Wanting to add IGF-1 to my GH combo. I've done the general research on IGF-1 (dosing, injection frequency, cycling, etc. etc.) and I'm very close to placing an order with Ancillary Guys.

Does anyone have a walkthrough on specifically how to work with the AG Long R3/IGF-1 kits? Just the handling, storage, dose conversions, etc. etc. would be very helpful.

Alright, since I've used it, I'll walk you through it:

first 1 bottle = 1mg (1000mcg) , it comes as dry powder
step one: drip in 2 MLs of BC (Bacteriostatic Water) water into the powder (drip not squirt)
Step two: keep the IGF in the fridge at all time

with 2mls in there, you'll have 1000mcg/200IUs => 5mcg IGF/IU
so the regular dosage for receptor grade is about 40mcg/ED
thus, you would run 8 IUs a day assuming you put in 2MLs of BC

enjoy,

Mr.X

 

[mrplunkey]

Thanks Mr. X... just wanted to know what to expect from the "kit". I've got it from there. They do send BC water with it, yes?

 

[Mr.X]

Thanks Mr. X... just wanted to know what to expect from the "kit". I've got it from there. They do send BC water with it, yes?

I had to add mine to my order, the BC water was a few more $.

Mr.X

 

[athlete.03]

Interesting post. Are there certain AAS that stack well with IGF-1 and certain AAS which stack poorly with it?