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LMAO @ Terrell Owens

fistfullofsteel

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His ass might get suspended for the rest of the season for opening up his mouth. He definitely won't be playing for the phi. eagles next year.

MadDreamer, your thoughts????
 
hate him or like him, he is one of the best in the game.
 
He was saying the Eagles would be better off with Brett Farve at quarterback..He's pissed about the eagles not recognizing his 100th TD...That's an accomplishment and the eagles franchise didn't say shit to him..On top of that the Eagles will not negotiate a new contract with TO for what TO thinks he's worth...

I personally don't like TO's mouth but I do agree he should be paid what he thinks he's worth..If the eagles don't agree then TO should look else where.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
hate him or like him, he is one of the best in the game.


Very true. People will remember his mouth more than his accomplishments on the field sadly. People always remember the negative side of things.
 
"The real news here is that this kind of nonsense - these kinds of jackassical attempts to be an irritant - are all that Owens has left. Because, in a really underdiscussed bit of business conducted by the NFL earlier this month, the league has managed to remove the last, tiny bit of leverage that a player has in contract negotiations.

That's right: The holdout is dead.

(Pause now for a moment of silence.)

It is a league that can do nothing wrong, and the latest evidence comes from the case of Keenan McCardell, the former Tampa Bay receiver who held out last spring, summer and into the season before being traded to San Diego. So he won, right?

Well, no. The Bucs withheld his salary for the games he missed, which is automatic. But then they filed a grievance and sought to get back $1.5 million in signing and roster bonuses that McCardell already had been paid.

The NFL's arbitrator on such collective bargaining matters, Shyam Das, heard the case and ruled in early October - and the Bucs won. The Bucs won big. They get the whole $1.5 million back. The holdout might have forced the trade, but the cost to McCardell was significant.

And now the precedent is set. It isn't as if this is now black-letter law in the NFL, but it's pretty close. Holdouts are dead as a tool to get your contract renegotiated - because the NFL can now confidently come after the thing its players hold dearest: their guaranteed money.

Which leaves T.O. with no options - not that the Eagles are likely to want to keep him anyway, not after everything that has gone down so far. Just to be sure, though, he'll probably have to ratchet up the nonsense before the end of the season.

But as he contemplates all of that - it must kill him not to be in control of this thing, don't you think? - I am here to mourn the death of the holdout. They used to be such fun."

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/columnists/rich_hofmann/12888959.htm
 
i don't really like TO, in fact I couldn't give a shit about the guy. But I would want him on my team. Moss is a wack job too.

I'd rather have either of those guys than any other receiver today, and if I had to choose one I would take TO.

Not too many Jerry Rice's out there.
 
4everhung said:
"The real news here is that this kind of nonsense - these kinds of jackassical attempts to be an irritant - are all that Owens has left. Because, in a really underdiscussed bit of business conducted by the NFL earlier this month, the league has managed to remove the last, tiny bit of leverage that a player has in contract negotiations.

That's right: The holdout is dead.

(Pause now for a moment of silence.)

It is a league that can do nothing wrong, and the latest evidence comes from the case of Keenan McCardell, the former Tampa Bay receiver who held out last spring, summer and into the season before being traded to San Diego. So he won, right?

Well, no. The Bucs withheld his salary for the games he missed, which is automatic. But then they filed a grievance and sought to get back $1.5 million in signing and roster bonuses that McCardell already had been paid.

The NFL's arbitrator on such collective bargaining matters, Shyam Das, heard the case and ruled in early October - and the Bucs won. The Bucs won big. They get the whole $1.5 million back. The holdout might have forced the trade, but the cost to McCardell was significant.

And now the precedent is set. It isn't as if this is now black-letter law in the NFL, but it's pretty close. Holdouts are dead as a tool to get your contract renegotiated - because the NFL can now confidently come after the thing its players hold dearest: their guaranteed money.

Which leaves T.O. with no options - not that the Eagles are likely to want to keep him anyway, not after everything that has gone down so far. Just to be sure, though, he'll probably have to ratchet up the nonsense before the end of the season.

But as he contemplates all of that - it must kill him not to be in control of this thing, don't you think? - I am here to mourn the death of the holdout. They used to be such fun."

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/columnists/rich_hofmann/12888959.htm


the nfl player's representatives have not done shit for them. maybe they need to get the mlb players representatives.
 
I still love T.O.'s famous quote, "I love me some me". It fits him so well. What a fucking self centered moron.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
the nfl player's representatives have not done shit for them. maybe they need to get the mlb players representatives.

revenue sharing aligns the interests of the owners in the NFL; this does not exist in the MLB.

I just had a dinner with Wayne Weaver (the Jags owner) and he explained this in great detail. He's also trying to get the city to ante up for some more stuff.
 
yourmomgoestocollege said:
I would like to see the Lions trade any two of the 1st round wideout picks we have for TO.

he would add some much needed spark to team morale...the cockiness would fit in good for detroit...
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
revenue sharing aligns the interests of the owners in the NFL; this does not exist in the MLB.

I just had a dinner with Wayne Weaver (the Jags owner) and he explained this in great detail. He's also trying to get the city to ante up for some more stuff.


I know the television money gets spread out equally and I think both teams get equal share of the ticket sales for the game. What else? What does that have to do with the players not having pretty much 100% guaranteed money after they sign a contract like baseball?
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jay_mohr/10/26/mohr.sports/

If the Major League Baseball Players Association is the strongest in sports, then certainly the NFL Players Association is the weakest. Pro football is the only one of the four major sports that does not have guaranteed contracts. Baseball, basketball and hockey all continue to shell out dough for guys who no longer can play the game or, more sadly, have been cut (fired) by their teams.

When the Anaheim (nee Los Angeles) Angels rightfully dumped pitcher Kevin Appier three years ago, the team still had to pay him $16 million over two years. Conversely, when the St. Louis Rams cut All-Pro tackle Kyle Turley this season after he had a second surgery for a herniated disk in his back, all Turley got was a limp.

Guys like Terrell Owens do more than catch touchdown passes; they sully the image of their peers who are not as fortunate to be earning $7 million a year. Take Ephraim Salaam, for example. Salaam signed a below-market deal with the Broncos mostly because he wanted to play in Denver, and the contract was sweetened with a clause that called for him to earn a $5 million dollar bonus his third year with the team. Guess what happened shortly before his third year with the team? Salaam had a nagging knee injury and the Broncos used it as an excuse to cut him. Goodbye five freaking million dollars. The injury was not severe; in fact, Salaam now starts for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Broncos, like all other NFL teams, saw a player's unfortunate situation as a swell reason to give him his walking papers and not have to pay him a dime.

For too long NFL owners have had it both ways. They have never agreed to guaranteed contracts because if they did the league would bleed cash as player after player sat at home collecting a check. The Players Association, being stonewalled for years over the guaranteed contract situation, has shifted its focus to lifetime medical benefits. The owners have shot this proposal down year after year because, in their view, football isn't really violent enough to warrant lifetime medical coverage.

How is it that in a league in which guys risk breaking legs, ribs and heads on every play, the owners, in good conscience, cannot negotiate some type of plan for guys who get injured? Whenever a player gets seriously injured, the media focuses on the "cap hit" the team will take. Seldom is anything written about the "lifestyle hit" the player must now face knowing he will no longer get paid.

It is because of this enormous chasm between ownership and players that contract holdouts are becoming more and more frequent. I am not talking about morons like Terrell Owens, who make $7 million a year. I am talking about guys like Vikings center Matt Birk, who told his team that he would play injured, VERY injured, if they would simply guarantee his 2006 salary. They didn't.

The NFL has become stick-up artists. Guys like the Chargers' Antonio Gates are left with no recourse but to hold out when the balance of money and talent shift and they realize they are grossly underpaid. You may ask, "Why doesn't Gates just keep his mouth shut and get back to work?" Gates was making in the neighborhood of $380,000 a year and his touchdown production could no longer be ignored in contrast. If he tore his ACL during a preseason game, he might have been shelved by the team or cut. It's hard to retire on $380,000 when you have your whole life ahead of you.

The behavior of the owners has directly dictated the behavior of the players in their attempts to get huge money in the beginning of their contracts, as well as signing bonuses. All one has to do is look at someone like Lawyer Milloy, who dutifully played stellar safety for the New England Patriots. Milloy's deal had him earning pay raises in each year of his contract. When the portion of his contract arrived when he was to get paid around $3 million, the Pats asked him to restructure his deal. He refused and they cut him.

The players union continues to sputter when it comes to negotiating with ownership. Led by Gene Upshaw, whose $2 million contract is guaranteed by the way, the union continues to win salary-cap raises in non-substantial increments, while the real elephant on the 50-yard-line goes unmentioned.

Coaches in the NFL have guaranteed contracts! Redskins owner Daniel Snyder just finished paying Marty Schottenheimer $5 million over two years after having fired him in 2002 to bring in Steve Spurrier.

The NFL must do the right thing and either grant the players their wish for lifetime medical insurance or guarantee their contracts. By doing neither, the league leaves the door open for fans to watch in anger as players hold out. A monster two years in a row combined with one year left on the contract results in a holdout. Sadly, for the fans, this is the only part of the deal that is guaranteed.

AND AS 4EVERHUNG WITH HIS DISTURBING AV HAS POSTED, "THE HOLD OUT IS PRETTY MUCH DEAD."

"The real news here is that this kind of nonsense - these kinds of jackassical attempts to be an irritant - are all that Owens has left. Because, in a really underdiscussed bit of business conducted by the NFL earlier this month, the league has managed to remove the last, tiny bit of leverage that a player has in contract negotiations.

That's right: The holdout is dead.

(Pause now for a moment of silence.)

It is a league that can do nothing wrong, and the latest evidence comes from the case of Keenan McCardell, the former Tampa Bay receiver who held out last spring, summer and into the season before being traded to San Diego. So he won, right?

Well, no. The Bucs withheld his salary for the games he missed, which is automatic. But then they filed a grievance and sought to get back $1.5 million in signing and roster bonuses that McCardell already had been paid.

The NFL's arbitrator on such collective bargaining matters, Shyam Das, heard the case and ruled in early October - and the Bucs won. The Bucs won big. They get the whole $1.5 million back. The holdout might have forced the trade, but the cost to McCardell was significant.

And now the precedent is set. It isn't as if this is now black-letter law in the NFL, but it's pretty close. Holdouts are dead as a tool to get your contract renegotiated - because the NFL can now confidently come after the thing its players hold dearest: their guaranteed money.

Which leaves T.O. with no options - not that the Eagles are likely to want to keep him anyway, not after everything that has gone down so far. Just to be sure, though, he'll probably have to ratchet up the nonsense before the end of the season.

But as he contemplates all of that - it must kill him not to be in control of this thing, don't you think? - I am here to mourn the death of the holdout. They used to be such fun."

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sp...nn/12888959.htm

I'm also sure the owner of a team is going to be totally objective and include all the details.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
I know the television money gets spread out equally and I think both teams get equal share of the ticket sales for the game. What else? What does that have to do with the players not having pretty much 100% guaranteed money after they sign a contract like baseball?

in the NFL, there is an incentive for the owners to work together as they all have an interest in controlling player costs.

In the MLB, a guy like Steinbrenner doesn't give a shit who the brewers sign, but in the NFL, one occurrence sets policy.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jay_mohr/10/26/mohr.sports/

If the Major League Baseball Players Association is the strongest in sports, then certainly the NFL Players Association is the weakest. Pro football is the only one of the four major sports that does not have guaranteed contracts. Baseball, basketball and hockey all continue to shell out dough for guys who no longer can play the game or, more sadly, have been cut (fired) by their teams.

I'm also sure the owner of a team is going to be totally objective and include all the details.

Weaver was not objective - the city gave the Jags a ton of money a couple of times.

I am sympathetic to people who get hurt playing - it sucks. At the same time, there is no shortage of people to take their place, so the league is not screwing players, or there would not be any players.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
in the NFL, there is an incentive for the owners to work together as they all have an interest in controlling player costs.

In the MLB, a guy like Steinbrenner doesn't give a shit who the brewers sign, but in the NFL, one occurrence sets policy.


And what about guys like Jerry Jones and Daniel Synder who pretty much don't give a shit about other teams and really want to win at any cost just like Steinbrenner? Why don't they set a precedent that's favorable to a player? All owners want control of their players. I'm sure Steinbrenner isn't happy about giving somebody 100 million guaranteed money even though there isn't a hard salary cap in MLB.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20020306daily.shtml

# The MLBPA is the strongest such group in sports. The NFLPA is a joke.

The NFL has the deal it has today--one overwhelmingly favorable to ownership--because it beat the players handily in the league's biggest labor war, the 1987 strike. The NFL tried replacement players and ended the last player's strike in under a month. MLB tried replacement players and couldn't get anyone to take them seriously.

As much as the NFL likes to position its relationship with the league's players as a partnership, it just isn't so, unless your definition of "partnership" includes one party leaning on the other's back in an effort to help him grab his ankles.

It's shit like this that I think is wrong.

Salaam signed a below-market deal with the Broncos mostly because he wanted to play in Denver, and the contract was sweetened with a clause that called for him to earn a $5 million dollar bonus his third year with the team. Guess what happened shortly before his third year with the team? Salaam had a nagging knee injury and the Broncos used it as an excuse to cut him. Goodbye five freaking million dollars. The injury was not severe; in fact, Salaam now starts for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Broncos, like all other NFL teams, saw a player's unfortunate situation as a swell reason to give him his walking papers and not have to pay him a dime.

I don't believe in 100% guareenteed money all the time. I think that can be very stupid but at the same time screwing a specific player for his good service and loyality is fucked up. Sure it is a business and business can be shrewd especially when in sports when you almost have to do anything to win because that's what the fans want but owners seem to be getting too greedy.
 
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MattTheSkywalker said:
hate him or like him, he is one of the best in the game.


Truth, I love T.O. man, people can`t handle his antics, but you can`t dispute his game....
 
fistfullofsteel said:
And what about guys like Jerry Jones and Daniel Synder who pretty much don't give a shit about other teams and really want to win at any cost just like Steinbrenner? Why don't they set a precedent that's favorable to a player? All owners want control of their players. I'm sure Steinbrenner isn't happy about giving somebody 100 million guaranteed money even though there isn't a hard salary cap in MLB.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20020306daily.shtml

# The MLBPA is the strongest such group in sports. The NFLPA is a joke.

bor I agree with you, football is rough on the players much more than baseball.

Jerry Jones, despite all his bluster, has to play by league rules too. Steinbrenner gos out and gets a separate cable

Baseball insures the contracts - when players get hurt, AIG (or whoever) pays. Fooball probably does too.


Here is an unrelated thought: do you think the wild popularity of football, and the declining popularity of baseball - are related to these associations?
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
bor I agree with you, football is rough on the players much more than baseball.

Jerry Jones, despite all his bluster, has to play by league rules too. Steinbrenner gos out and gets a separate cable

Baseball insures the contracts - when players get hurt, AIG (or whoever) pays. Fooball probably does too.


Here is an unrelated thought: do you think the wild popularity of football, and the declining popularity of baseball - are related to these associations?


It could go both ways in favoring the players or the owners in regards to the popularity of the league itself, so one way or another, probably. In regards to who it is going to favor more, I really don't know.

In NY and Boston supposedly MLB is most popular and NFL is #1 everywhere else in the USA, but when it came to the MLB baseball strike it seemed to me that nobody gave a shit. When they used replacement players or were about to, nobody gave a shit even more, if that is possible. As for the NFL strike I was only 11 years old so I really couldn't tell you what the feelings were of the people in the NY/NJ area and the country in general.

From what I hear, the MLBPA has a huge war treasure chest and they were ready to do battle for a long time and nobody knows how long it would have continued on. But from what I heard one of the major reasons it ended was because Congress stepped in and said stop the lockout or we're going to take away a huge tax exemption the owners get that saves the team owners alot of money.

As for football, people love football. I love NFL football and I would burn the freaking owners houses down and team office building down if there was a strike. I know I wouldn't be happy with replacement players. I would stick with bullshit college football.
 
baseball has an anti-trust exemption. during the trust busting days baseball got an exemption from (i think) the sherman anti-trust act.

i sort of think of this all as the market forces at work.
 
eat big said:
Owens, Moss and K. Johnson all open their mouth too much. Mostly T.O. then Johnson.


Don't forget Chad Johnson. K. Johnson's cousin. :lmao: I like him though until it gets out of hand. Seems like the W.R. is the trash talkers position. All I know is catching those balls coming at you really freakin fast is really freakin hard especially when somebody is trying to take your head off. I might talk a lot of shit too and have a huge ego. It's funny when somebody says, "My grandmother could have caught that." :lmao: These days I'm giving more respect to college basketball players because they are making great tight ends in the NFL.
 
eat big said:
Owens, Moss and K. Johnson all open their mouth too much. Mostly T.O. then Johnson.

at least TO and Moss deliver. 100 TD passes is no joke, and Moss puts up big numbers all the time too/

KJ sucks.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
KJ sucks.


I always thought he was overrated starting with the Jets. The guy doesn't even catch the ball with his hands most of the time. He lets it hit his chest. That's when balls start bouncing. Another reason why college basketball players make good tight ends. They are taught to catch a basketball with their hands and that's what they are used. They aren't afraid to go up and get it.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
I always thought he was overrated starting with the Jets. The guy doesn't even catch the ball with his hands most of the time. He lets it hit his chest. That's when balls start bouncing. Another reason why college basketball players make good tight ends. They are taught to catch a basketball with their hands and that's what they are used. They aren't afraid to go up and get it.

watching randy moss catch a ball is almost a form of art. He is the best athlete in the league among receivers.

TO is the best football player among the receivers though.

never really liked KJ, he was pretty damn good at USC though.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
watching randy moss catch a ball is almost a form of art. He is the best athlete in the league among receivers.

TO is the best football player among the receivers though.

never really liked KJ, he was pretty damn good at USC though.


Forgot about Randy being a basketball player too. Supposedly, Moss was a sensation as a high school basketball player. That first year, Randy tore up the league. It was scary.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
Forgot about Randy being a basketball player too. Supposedly, Moss was a sensation as a high school basketball player. That first year, Randy tore up the league. It was scary.

Moss would be NBA no doubt. I saw some footage of him in HS;the dude had the ind of quickness and vertical you would expect - might not be exactly the right size for NBA 2-guard, but somehow I think ability would make up for it.
 
Tom Waddle
And so goes the saga of Tom Waddle. Signed by the Bears because of his superior hands in 1989, Waddle just couldn't find a permanent place on the roster. He was good, but just not good enough. Regarding all of his "cuttings", Waddle commented in 1999 that when "Ditka would call me up to his office, I knew I was going to be cut; I didn't have a problem with that. However, I was afraid he was going to come across the desk at me and whip my ass." This may have been an exaggeration, because Waddle was in fact Ditka's favorite type of player. This is probably why Ditka kept trying to find a place for him. In between all of his releases, Waddle did see spot playing time in 1989 and 1990. He caught a pass each against San Francisco in 1989, and Washington and the Raiders in 1990. In 1991, the team was short of receivers going into the opener, so Waddle was actually activated as the third receiver for this game. Despite being referred to as "The slow white guy", Waddle clinched the 1991 opening victory with a 37-yard diving TD reception, and became an instant fan favorite. He reminded everyone of the overachiever without physical tools that somehow makes it in the big-league.

For the remainder of 1991, Waddle became the go-to guy in the Bear's passing game. Against the Jets on national TV, he caught 8 balls for 102 yards, making an impression on the nation. Perhaps his shining moment in the NFL and as a Bear was his performance against Dallas in the 1991 playoff loss. Waddle scored the Bears only touchdown and caught 9 passes for 104 yards. Many of these catches were spectacularly acrobatic, and sent him to the sidelines with assistance after a hammering by Dallas linebackers. At points during the game, the entire Soldier Field crowd was chanting "Waddle, Waddle, Waddle." His breakout 1991 season earned him a place on the "All-Madden Team", a tribute to the toughest, no-nonsense players in the NFL.

#87 entered the 1992 season as the Bears' starting wide receiver opposite Wendell Davis. In the opener, he endeared himself further to the fans of Chicago when he caught the winning touchdown pass from Jim Harbaugh with one second left. Who else would make the clutch catch off the "13-Wing Jet" play, the Harbaugh-to-Waddle specialty. Against Atlanta in 1992, Waddle delighted fans by burning the NFL's fastest man, Deion Sanders, for a touchdown. On November 29th at Cleveland, he caught a 70-yard touchdown bomb from Peter Tom Willis, again defying his "slow" title. He wound up the season with strong numbers in 1992. In 1993, he led the team in both receptions and receiving yards in 1993. In '94, Dave Wannstedt continued his push for more speed, and Waddle was relegated to third-receiver duties. He actually was injured for much of the season after a knockout blow to the chin from safety Thomas Everitt at Tampa.
 
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