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Liver Protection

Riker29

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I am taking Winny orally, 50 mg ED.

I want to protect my liver, but am still a bit confused on several points ....

Milk Thistle - How much should you take?

Cranberry - Is this for liver or for kidneys? How much to take? Are we talking about drinking like Cranberry Juice or some type of supplement?


Anything else that may be done for liver protection?
 
Milk thistle pills is what I take. I get them at my drug store.. The dosage is 150mg per pill. Fairly cheap and it saves my liver a bit.

I take 4 a day for the whole cycle.

hope it helps!
 
You can't just say how much Milk Thistle can I take!
There is no constant dosage for Milk thistle, Milk thistle comes in several concentrations and the main active substance is Silymarin(silybin, silydianin and silychristin), some brands have 80% others 60% and so on, you can find it written on the supplement "milk thistle extract standardized to whatever% silymarin"

the recommended dosage for Silyamrin varies from 200-400mg/day

e.g if you got milk thistle with 80% concentration, and you wanna take 200mg silymarin then you're going to take 240mg of Milk thistle
 
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The smartest thing you could do is stay away from everything else that is metabolized by the liver..this especially means ALCOHOL. None of those herbs have been scientifically proven to protect anything but the bank accounts of the people that make them. Off the top of my head I really only know of treatments for liver failure secondary to either disease processes or overdoses. N-acetylcysteine is what you give for people who overdose on tylenol when they deplete their glutathione stores. N-acytylcyseine replenishes that deficiency. Penacillamine (NOT penicillin the antibiotic) for Wilson's disease. So in essence tylenol, beer, alchohol, anti-fungal medications, and some other meds are metabolized by the liver. Reduce the work your liver has to do on other stuff and it may stay with you for awhile longer.I trult beleive this is where people run into trouble by essentially overwhelming the livers capability to metabolize toxins. Cirrhosis and liver failure is a horrible way to die. Believe me I have seen dozens, and it goes on my list of things I never want to get.
 
I also heard that milk thistle will *maintain* your liver, but not actually heal it - so I've also been told cranberry extract and something like Liv-A-Tox. Milk thistle for after the cycle.
 
"The smartest thing you could do is stay away from everything else that is metabolized by the liver..this especially means ALCOHOL."

And carbohydrates, proteins, fats, every chemical that is in food and drinks....OH HELL, everything is metabolized by the liver.

"None of those herbs have been scientifically proven to protect anything but the bank accounts of the people that make them."

You obviously don't read scientific research, or else you would see the voluminous amount of evidence for hepatic protection by various phytochemicals.


"Off the top of my head I really only know of treatments for liver failure secondary to either disease processes or overdoses. N-acetylcysteine is what you give for people who overdose on tylenol when they deplete their glutathione stores. N-acytylcyseine replenishes that deficiency."

As does many other phytochemicals. Preventing depletion of glutathione levels is a common effect of known hepato-protectants.

"Penacillamine (NOT penicillin the antibiotic) for Wilson's disease."

Penicillamine is a chelating agent used for Wilson's disease, which is a genetic disorder characterized by copper metabolism problems.

"So in essence tylenol, beer, alchohol, anti-fungal medications, and some other meds are metabolized by the liver."

"Reduce the work your liver has to do on other stuff and it may stay with you for awhile longer.I trult beleive this is where people run into trouble by essentially overwhelming the livers capability to metabolize toxins. Cirrhosis and liver failure is a horrible way to die. Believe me I have seen dozens, and it goes on my list of things I never want to get."

Then try using known hepato-protectants, such as NAC, silymarin, schizandra extract, lecithin (phosphatidylcholine), etc.
 
Liver protection

Everyone has the milk thistle question well covered.
As for cranberry it is for the bladder. It works by making
the lining of the bladder more slippery so that harmful
bacteria cannot adhere. This reduces the chance of
bladder infection i.e. kidney infection as well.
 
Milk Thistle can do 1000mg/day
Evening primrose oil 1300 mg 2x/day



Milk Thistle: Threefold protection for your liver.

Milk Thistle protects and rejuvenates the liver in not less than three ways.
Milk Thistle is a powerful Antioxidant. - like any bioflavonoid complex, it exerts a powerful anti-oxidant effect.

Milk Thistle protects your liver. - Milk Thistle interrupts enterohepatic recirculation of toxins. The silymarin complex puts up an amazing protective "shield" against liver-harming substances like alcohol and other would-be poisons.

Milk Thistle regenerates your liver. - Did you know that your liver is the only organ in your body capable of regeneration? The silymarin complex actually helps the liver to synthesize new proteins and ultimately regenerate!


Evening Primrose

Fatty acids, essential fatty acids, polyunsaturated fatty acids, Linoleic acid (LA), Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA) and prostaglandins. If these “buzz” words leave your head swimming you’re not alone. After the Food & Agriculture Organization and World Health Organization released a joint report addressing the role of dietary fats and oils in nutrition, much attention has been given the role these play in our health. The study recommended that at least 3% of our daily calorie intake should be in the form of these “essential fatty acids” (EFA), 5% for children and pregnant/lactating mothers.

What are essential fatty acids and what makes them so essential? EFA’s play important roles in our body‘s overall health. They are part of every cell and establish and control the cellular metabolism. EFA’s are essential in four primary body functions: 1) provide energy, 2) maintain body temperature, 3) insulate our nerves, 4) cushion and protect body tissues. Two key polyunsaturated fatty acids (EFA’s) are Linoleic acid and Gamma-Linolenic acid.

LA is not produced by the body but must be obtained through the dietary intake. LA acts as an energy source and is what the body converts to GLA which in turn forms other substances such as prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are hormone-like substances that are found in every body cell. They are critical to the body’s overall health maintenance, but need to be replenished constantly as once they serve their purpose, they are destroyed.

The purposes of Prostaglandins include lowering blood pressure, reducing risks of blood clotting, stimulating the immune system, and regulating brain function. Animal studies at the University of Pennsylvania have also shown them to prevent arthritis. This is also being studied in humans trials in Europe with similar results. The source of EFA’s in these studies has been Evening Primrose Oil.

It was once believed that our diet would provide enough EFA’s but due to processing methods, the LA’s structure is changed ( then called trans fatty acids). These fatty acids actually block the normal conversion process. Our western lifestyle--too much saturated fat and cholesterol, processed vegetable oils, and alcohol--also inhibits the normal conversion processes. These blockages become even more dramatic with age, low thyroid function, slower metabolism, infections, disease, and dietary considerations such as zinc deficiency.

Evening Primrose Oil is a natural, and the richest, source of Gamma-Linolenic acid. It contains about 72% Linoleic acid and 9 percent GLA. Since it contains the essential GLA, evening primrose oil is highly valuable to those who cannot otherwise form enough GLA. This would include those who do not get enough essential fatty acids in their diet, drink or have drunk excessive amounts of alcohol, have low thyroid function, or have received radiation treatment. The direct source of GLA takes the pressure off the body to produce the necessary amount of GLA for optimum health.
 
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