Liver pain --help anyone???

[andro2020]

Really bad pain that takes my breath away at times started 24hrs ago. Right side in the back where the liver is almost feels like an extremely deep muscle pull but way more intense. Had not worked out in the previous 48hrs so with my 14 yrs of lifting I'm certain it's not a pulled muscle.

Taking BD 50mg Winny daily and 50mg of proviorn daily for 6wks(21 days into the orals now)ran 400mg test eth the prior.

I know these are liver toxic and have taken winny before but this is the first time on the orals due to limited availability.

Taking liv 52 for along with milk thistle to protect but damn this REALLY sucks.

Anyone have this pain before or advice to give. Am I F'd and should I see the Doc or wait it out? Getting worried

 

[MrRTTB]

It's not the liver(no nervs). It might be a bad reaction from the winny, the lungs sometimes play us a joke. Same thing with the muscles just below the shin on your back, in that area. But still, I would stop for a week and see how it goes. Better safe than Sorry

Really bad pain that takes my breath away at times started 24hrs ago. Right side in the back where the liver is almost feels like an extremely deep muscle pull but way more intense. Had not worked out in the previous 48hrs so with my 14 yrs of lifting I'm certain it's not a pulled muscle.

Taking BD 50mg Winny and 50mg of proviorn for 6wks(21 days into the orals now)ran 400mg test eth the prior.

I know these are liver toxic and have taken winny before but this is the first time on the orals due to limited availability.

Taking liv 52 for along with milk thistle to protect but damn this REALLY sucks.

Anyone have this pain before or advice to give. Am I F'd and should I see the Doc or wait it out? Getting worried

 

[got2getripped]

If it were a liver pain it would most likely be in your abdomin on the right side below your ribs. I would also consider stopping, internal pains that aren't muscular are nothing to ignore.

 

[jroc86]

Liver pain doesnt exist ... could be gallbladders issues though. Have you ever had gallstones?

 

[andro2020]

If it were a liver pain it would most likely be in your abdomin on the right side below your ribs. I would also consider stopping, internal pains that aren't muscular are nothing to ignore.

It is right at the bottom of the rib cage in the back though. Pulled out the ole anatomy book and of course a bit paranoid too.. so I jumped to the liver conclusion. I didn't take any today and it was worse this evening than when I woke up. Actually hurt a little bit to lay on that side in the am. That is how I started my day..Dammit

 

[andro2020]

Liver pain doesnt exist ... could be gallbladders issues though. Have you ever had gallstones?

None yet..have not looked into that. I just hate to go to the doc and have a blood test because everything will be screwed up now. Should I wait it out a day or two or go make an appointment.

BTW thanks to everyone that is helping out here.

 

[natecr]

look at it in the smart way bud.. Your liver hurts. Which means something oral is HURTING YOUR INSIDES.. No one ever wants to set the juice down.. Thinking it could be something dif. Thats obvious.. But if your hurting THAT BAD BRO.. and i Mean.. EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT. See a doc.. or Drop the shit.. Take it easy.. either see a doc if it doesnt go away.. Or chill for a while and start again.. if it repeats your know your in deep shit.. or If it doesnt then you are ok.

 

[piningettysburg]

when it comes to health, you only have one shot.. fuck it up and it's game-over

noone likes going to the doc, but u can't afford to blow this one. it's obviously your call, but if it were me i'd suck it up and give the doc a visit. hopefully it's nothing to worry about. if so at least you'll sleep better knowing that.
and if it's something serious *knock on wood i hope it isn't* u'll be glad you got the ball rolling

good luck bro

 

[10001110101]

you can have liver pain from an inflamed and enlarged liver. this is exactly what's happening. stop the orals asap.

yeah check your stools, if they seem lighter in color (pale, clay, or yellowish) this is DEFINITELY the culprit. also press down on your abdomen on the right side right below the ribcage if it feels stiffer than the left side or is tender when you push down (you should be able to push fairly hard with zero pain) then this is defiinitely the issue.

 

[nzrodney]

If its more in the back with pain radiating around into the bladder area, it could be kidneys. The kidneys can be effected by oral AAS usage & dehydration. If its a kidney stone you will know it & be rushing to the AR. Or it could be a bit of infection. Hows the urine colour?

 

[andro2020]

If its more in the back with pain radiating around into the bladder area, it could be kidneys. The kidneys can be effected by oral AAS usage & dehydration. If its a kidney stone you will know it & be rushing to the AR. Or it could be a bit of infection. Hows the urine colour?

Stools seem normal and the urine appears to be the same. Pain is worse now than when I started this post and I should still be in bed but got little sleep. A search at web md came back with kidney infection as far as symptoms and location. Will try to see the doc today and hope that is what it is.

Thanks all for the feedback!!!

 

[thebadguy54]

Let us know what it is when you find out.

 

[the_alcatraz]

See a doctor.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I would stop the cycle, see if the pain stops, and if not, see a doctor immediately.

We all hit the gym and do cycles to improve our physical conditioning. When we start harming ourselves we are not accomplishing our objectives and in the long run we can destroy our health. Play it smart and think of the long term consequences of your actions.

 

[halfcenturian]

Go see a Dr. ASAP. Come clean with your doctor. Don't worry he can't blab to police or anyone else.... Patient confidenciality rules.

Kidneys are in back, bro., under ribcage. Liver IS IN THE RIGHT FRONT, and yes you can have liver pain. Yours sound like kidneys. Cranberry extract and lots of water.

Did I mention.. GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR ASAP.

 

[timtim]

Go see a Dr. ASAP. Come clean with your doctor. Don't worry he can't blab to police or anyone else.... Patient confidenciality rules.

Kidneys are in back, bro., under ribcage. Liver IS IN THE RIGHT FRONT, and yes you can have liver pain. Yours sound like kidneys. Cranberry extract and lots of water.

Did I mention.. GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR ASAP.

he can put everything in your file which your insurance company will see and then youre fucked for insurance for life.

i would definately go, tell him your were taking over the counter supps, describe all the pain, etc. dont admit to aas. just my opinion. if any procedures need to be done and the insurance gets involved and sees self prescribed aas use are the cause, they could refuse coverage.

 

[LOKEDOUT&YOKEDOUT]

If its more in the back with pain radiating around into the bladder area, it could be kidneys. The kidneys can be effected by oral AAS usage & dehydration. If its a kidney stone you will know it & be rushing to the AR. Or it could be a bit of infection. Hows the urine colour?

its your kidneys...............
trust me
when i was pressing limits and breaking myths i woke up everyday and it felt like my lower back got stomped out in a bar or something

over the years you will learn to drop orals
especially toxic shit like winny even know i used to live off it
and stick with oils much safer better gains

SP

 

[the_alcatraz]

Go see a Dr. ASAP. Come clean with your doctor. Don't worry he can't blab to police or anyone else.... Patient confidenciality rules.

Kidneys are in back, bro., under ribcage. Liver IS IN THE RIGHT FRONT, and yes you can have liver pain. Yours sound like kidneys. Cranberry extract and lots of water.

Did I mention.. GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR ASAP.

lmao +1

 

[andro2020]

he can put everything in your file which your insurance company will see and then youre fucked for insurance for life.

i would definately go, tell him your were taking over the counter supps, describe all the pain, etc. dont admit to aas. just my opinion. if any procedures need to be done and the insurance gets involved and sees self prescribed aas use are the cause, they could refuse coverage.

I thought that it might be the liver by default and the known issues with these orals specifically. It is so deep behind the ribs in back right that I also thought kidney infection or something related to the kidneys.

Went to the Doc today and said otc prohormones in high doses. She did a urinalysis for kidney infection and that's not it. I mentioned the toxicity etc and she said that it's probally a deep muscle strain and not related. I said I disagreed and left frustrated and no scripts. Day 2 of no gear and already upped my intake of fluids 2 days ago with the cranberry juice. Small town and that doc sucks. Gonna get some rest.

 

[nzrodney]

I thought that it might be the liver by default and the known issues with these orals specifically. It is so deep behind the ribs in back right that I also thought kidney infection or something related to the kidneys.

Went to the Doc today and said otc prohormones in high doses. She did a urinalysis for kidney infection and that's not it. I mentioned the toxicity etc and she said that it's probally a deep muscle strain and not related. I said I disagreed and left frustrated and no scripts. Day 2 of no gear and already upped my intake of fluids 2 days ago with the cranberry juice. Small town and that doc sucks. Gonna get some rest.

You realy need to see a urologist & he would prob get a xray or scan of the kidney. You may have a stone moving around. If the pain get worse & moves around to the side of the lower back you need to get to an AR or another doc. She may still be right but its an unusual place to have muscle strains.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Could be Kidney Stones.

 

[got2getripped]

Well I have had what I am sure is liver pain when I was younger and drank like a fish for nearly 8 years. Anyway I thought at one time I had a stone blocking my bile duct, this is what it is and what its called.

Choledocholithiasis is the presence of a gallstone in the common bile duct.

Symptoms

Abdominal pain in the upper right quadrant or the middle of the upper abdomen
May radiate to the right shoulder
May be sharp or cramping or dull
May be recurrent
May radiate to the back
Made worse by eating fatty or greasy foods
Occurs within minutes following meals
Nausea
Vomiting
Fever
Jaundice
Loss of appetite

 

[the_alcatraz]

Did you see a doctor yet?

 

[timtim]

I thought that it might be the liver by default and the known issues with these orals specifically. It is so deep behind the ribs in back right that I also thought kidney infection or something related to the kidneys.

Went to the Doc today and said otc prohormones in high doses. She did a urinalysis for kidney infection and that's not it. I mentioned the toxicity etc and she said that it's probally a deep muscle strain and not related. I said I disagreed and left frustrated and no scripts. Day 2 of no gear and already upped my intake of fluids 2 days ago with the cranberry juice. Small town and that doc sucks. Gonna get some rest.

good call. hope you start feeling better.

 

[doublebicep]

You should ask her for a blood test to check aspartate aminotransferase (AST or SGOT) and alanine aminotransferase (ALT or SGPT) levels.

I keep saying it (and catch a lot of crap for it): why would anyone other then perhaps a pro bb'er take oral AAS?

I know, I am going to get a some, "because they work" replies but that is not the point. Is the risk worth it? I wonder if the "oral only cycle" guys ever plan to step on stage? I bet not.

Anyway, get a blood test as soon as possible and let us know how it all works out for you.

 

[lookinfit75]

Really bad pain that takes my breath away at times started 24hrs ago. Right side in the back where the liver is almost feels like an extremely deep muscle pull but way more intense. Had not worked out in the previous 48hrs so with my 14 yrs of lifting I'm certain it's not a pulled muscle.

Taking BD 50mg Winstrol - stanozolol daily and 50mg of proviorn daily for 6wks(21 days into the orals now)ran 400mg test eth the prior.

I know these are liver toxic and have taken Winstrol - stanozolol before but this is the first time on the orals due to limited availability.

Taking liv 52 for along with milk thistle to protect but damn this REALLY sucks.

Anyone have this pain before or advice to give. Am I F'd and should I see the Doc or wait it out? Getting worried

Proviron is not c17-alpha alkylated and not known to produce hepotoxic effects so liver toxicity from that alone is unlikely. Stanozolol is another story.

 

[ALIN]

Really bad pain that takes my breath away at times started 24hrs ago. Right side in the back where the liver is almost feels like an extremely deep muscle pull but way more intense. Had not worked out in the previous 48hrs so with my 14 yrs of lifting I'm certain it's not a pulled muscle.

Taking BD 50mg Winny daily and 50mg of proviorn daily for 6wks(21 days into the orals now)ran 400mg test eth the prior.

I know these are liver toxic and have taken winny before but this is the first time on the orals due to limited availability.

Taking liv 52 for along with milk thistle to protect but damn this REALLY sucks.

Anyone have this pain before or advice to give. Am I F'd and should I see the Doc or wait it out? Getting worried

I would cease cycle and go to PCT.
IMMEDIATELY i would begin using Synthergine.
get levels checked by blood testing.