Little advice on summer stack...

[OKIE]

I've done some searching and found a lot of helpful info, but I wanted to get an answer that was tailored more towards my goals and needs. First of all, I am 5'9" and weigh 190lbs with about 12% bf. I am 25 years old and have been gear free for over a year now. I want to gain muscle hardness and vascularity without putting on much weight...maybe 5-10 lbs at the most. My diet is clean and I am about to hit a high protein. low carb, moderate fat diet. The stuff that I have available to me is clen, winny, eq, and various kinds of test. I need to know what a good cycle would be for my goals. I aromatize and hold water fairly easily, so I want to stay away from those types of gear. I thought about a Eq/Winny stack, but I know a lot of you sware by using test in every cycle, but I don't want the bitch tits or water bloat. Thanks for everyone's input and advice on this one.

 

[OKIE]

Bump, because someone out there can help me with this!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Why not have the best of both worlds,and use a test/Eq/liquidex combo?That will make your muscles hard as granite,and give you that paper thin skin(barring your BF is low enough)for ultimate vascularity/seperation.Not to mention the liquidex will keep control of the aromitization.

 

[KappaRaider]

what kind of test are you gonna use??

 

[OKIE]

Why not have the best of both worlds,and use a test/Eq/liquidex combo?That will make your muscles hard as granite,and give you that paper thin skin(barring your BF is low enough)for ultimate vascularity/seperation.Not to mention the liquidex will keep control of the aromitization.

I thought about that stack as well, but I wasn't certain which form of test would give me my desired results w/o the side effects that I am prone to. Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't I want winny in a cutting stack? It seems to be one of the best for the results I am looking for right now. Remember, I don't want to pack on the weight right now. I appreciate your help.

 

[OKIE]

what kind of test are you gonna use??

I wasn't certain about that one either. If I went that route I thought about either Prop or Cyp, because they don't seem to have as bad of side effects as some of the others and seem better for cutting purposes. What do you think?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Actually,winny in there would be terrific too,just wasn't sure if you wanted to run that many different compounds.

 

[ripper911]

Prop, Eq, Winny for 8-10 weeks = huge and hard

 

[Immortal Juicer]

I've done some searching and found a lot of helpful info, but I wanted to get an answer that was tailored more towards my goals and needs. First of all, I am 5'9" and weigh 190lbs with about 12% bf. I am 25 years old and have been gear free for over a year now. I want to gain muscle hardness and vascularity without putting on much weight...maybe 5-10 lbs at the most. My diet is clean and I am about to hit a high protein. low carb, moderate fat diet. The stuff that I have available to me is clen, winny, eq, and various kinds of test. I need to know what a good cycle would be for my goals. I aromatize and hold water fairly easily, so I want to stay away from those types of gear. I thought about a Eq/Winny stack, but I know a lot of you sware by using test in every cycle, but I don't want the bitch tits or water bloat. Thanks for everyone's input and advice on this one.

I love it when I hear someone say "I dont want to gain too much weight." There are no steroids that put on muscle so fast its like an runaway freight train. All of the sides you mentioned edema and gyno are due to estrogen so you definately need to take 1mg of arimidex eod. A test and winstrol stack will give you what you are looking for provided your diet is clean. I dont like Eq because of the anxiety but I know alot of guys that do. I recommend:

500mg test/week, 200mg winstrol/week, 1mg arimidex eod, and clomid therapy, of course, post cycle.

Simple, safe, and effective!

 

[KappaRaider]

I wasn't certain about that one either. If I went that route I thought about either Prop or Cyp, because they don't seem to have as bad of side effects as some of the others and seem better for cutting purposes. What do you think?

Well I like this.

Cyp(ttokkyo) -400mg week1-8
Eq(ttokkyo) ----400mg week1-8
winny(IP oral)----- 50mg ed week 6-10
armidex for any water retention, I had my breast glands removed so im not gyno prone. And definitely take your clomid at the end so your girlfriend wont dump when you dont feel like having sex. Another thing, alot of people dont like IP products but the winny i got was good ,so i dont have any complaints until i get a bad batch.

 

[OKIE]

Actually,winny in there would be terrific too,just wasn't sure if you wanted to run that many different compounds.

If I were to only run 2 compounds, why Test/Eq and not test/Winny? Just wondering the reasons on this. thanks again to all of you.

 

[OKIE]

Re: Re: Little advice on summer stack...

I love it when I hear someone say "I dont want to gain too much weight." There are no steroids that put on muscle so fast its like an runaway freight train. All of the sides you mentioned edema and gyno are due to estrogen so you definately need to take 1mg of arimidex eod. A test and winstrol stack will give you what you are looking for provided your diet is clean. I dont like Eq because of the anxiety but I know alot of guys that do. I recommend:

500mg test/week, 200mg winstrol/week, 1mg arimidex eod, and clomid therapy, of course, post cycle.

Simple, safe, and effective!

As far as the weight comment is concerned, I really mean I'd rather not put on any weight. I play lots of sports, and I need to stay close to the weight I am currently. What kind of test would you go with. thanks for the help.

 

[padycakes_16]

wks 1-10 eq at 600mgs
wks 7-12 winny at 50mg ed
test ethanate: 300mgs week wks 1-10
ldex at 0.5 mg ed


oooh i can feel my veinds bulging already

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Re: Re: Re: Little advice on summer stack...

As far as the weight comment is concerned, I really mean I'd rather not put on any weight. I play lots of sports, and I need to stay close to the weight I am currently. What kind of test would you go with. thanks for the help.

You want to gain muscle and lose fat then. The weight gain usually comes from retaining water which is why you need the arimidex. Go with cypionate or enanthate. They are both great esters and it is easier to time the clomid at the end.

Realistically though, I doubt the ester would have any effect over your total gains. If you were to to cyp v. enan v. sust. it would not make much difference.

But on paper cyp or enan. look the best to me.

Your gains are going to be 50% based on your clean diet and enough protein.

Good luck!

Oh yeah, Fina would give you exactly what you describe. I thought of it because I just took my first shot of test/fina 10 min ago!!

 

[OKIE]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Little advice on summer stack...

You want to gain muscle and lose fat then. The weight gain usually comes from retaining water which is why you need the arimidex. Go with cypionate or enanthate. They are both great esters and it is easier to time the clomid at the end.

Realistically though, I doubt the ester would have any effect over your total gains. If you were to to cyp v. enan v. sust. it would not make much difference.

But on paper cyp or enan. look the best to me.

Your gains are going to be 50% based on your clean diet and enough protein.

Good luck!

Oh yeah, Fina would give you exactly what you describe. I thought of it because I just took my first shot of test/fina 10 min ago!!

I appreciate the help man. I'm still debating right now. A lot of it has to do with cost as well. My diet should be OK. I'm getting around 300g of protein/day and am trying to keep the carbs around 125g/day. Thanks again!

 

[HEALTHFREAK]

If you have acces to Sustenon 250 I would go with that. I was iffy about using test also because I wanted to get really defined for summer and sus is what most people told me to use if Im gonna go with test. Also eq can make you limp which is another reason why you may definetly want to add some test.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Little advice on summer stack...

I appreciate the help man. I'm still debating right now. A lot of it has to do with cost as well. My diet should be OK. I'm getting around 300g of protein/day and am trying to keep the carbs around 125g/day. Thanks again!

Its great that you are putting so much planning in your cycle. If price is a concern, You can buy 2 fina cartridges for 37.50 a piece, a kit for 30 and you will have 50ml of trenbolone acetate 75mg/ml. It is all legal too, so you can put it on a credit card. Test is test and a good option would be to buy two bottles of ara-test 2500, which should cost about $65 a piece. 30 Arimidex tabs wil cost about $75, I believe liquidex is cheaper though. 30 tabs of clomid will cost about $15. You end up with a solid 8 week cycle of:
500mg Test/week
75mg Tren EOD
1mg of Arimidex EOD
Clomid Therapy

That is one solid second cycle and would produce gains you describe. All for a cost of ~$325.00

That is a damn good price for a damn good cycle. The arimidex is somewhat expensive but well worth it. Dont try to cycle without it, just wait, save some cash and do it right.

Good Luck. Keep doing what you are doing and you will not be disappointed.

 

[OKIE]

Again, I really appreciate your help Immortal. It is bros like you that make this board what it is. Check your email later when you get a chance.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

wert

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[Immortal Juicer]

No prob..

Thanks, bro. Check you email and let me know what you think.