I couldn't agree more with 'at almost any cost' about Forged Burner as a replacement until LipoStim becomes available. I used FBurner last year for a contest prep and my avatar shows my results at the time. I'm also on it right now, currently in a bulk season, but wanting to keep bodyfat at bay and I'm seeing some really great results. My strength is still up, but I'm seeing some really nice vascularity.