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LGD 4033 Log (and then some..)

Jbranken

Jbranken

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March 7, 2013

8 week cycle

Starting this cycle a bit sooner than I wanted (bf% wise). I bulked naturally for quite a while after my last cut, gained some size, and I've been cutting again for about 7 weeks. Diet is 95% clean with fairly low carbs and slight carb up days. Im 25 y/o, around 6'2 230 lbs atm. For the cycle I will up my carbs and total cals on workout days. Now, I told myself I would start the cycle once I started losing strength in the gym, and that day has come. I was also advised NOT to stack the LGD bc of the unknowns, but I'm a proud lab rat so we'll see how it plays out. I'm experienced with S4 and Osta several times over so im hoping ill be able to pin point symptoms to specific compunds if they arise, but we'll see. And last but certainly not least, pct isn't quite put together as I'm unsure of the effects the LGD will have on shutdown, but I'm sure it will be brutal once I start upping the dose. No worries though, I have every ai, serm and T booster you could ever dream of on hand for pct or on cycle use, just gotta plan it out later in the cycle as symptoms arise. Should be a pretty standard pct, maybe add some HCGenerate as I've heard good things. Either way, I will be running ostarine at 25mg during pct and possibly even the back end of the cycle (If the lgd runs out) so it kicks in by pct, pending symptoms and sides. Looking for lean mass gains here with a drop in bf.

First dose, 6:30pm post w/o

LGD 4033 - 3mg
S4 - 25mg
MK 677 - 25mg

Took a full dose of each compound in the evening as a 'load' to help saturate blood levels before the 'official' cycle kickoff. So, After tonight each will be taken as follows:

LGD 4033 - 3mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - PM (pre w/o)
Mk 677 - 25mg - PM (post w/o)

I plan on upping the LGD dose slightly every two weeks if sides stay at a minimum.

Mar 8

Sleep was crap, but I expected this from taking the compounds so late but, that was a one time deal. With that being said, Since mk 677 is supposed to increase hgh levels, Ive decided to take it later in the evening (post w/o) so it's closer to bed time and should help with sleep every night. Great sense of well being today and more energy than I've had in a long time. Probably the S4.

Did chest and tris today. Broke through a few plateaus today--pretty remarkable, especially considering my muscles are about to rip my skin open. Haven't felt this in a long time, and only after two doses? Weird. (Water weight from MK?) My hunger is also unbearable. I destroyed a shake with whey, milk, and egg whites after the gym then plowed down a big spinach salad, 8oz chicken breast and a full sweet potato and felt like I didn't even eat.

Mar 9

Took the MK post workout (5:30pm) yesterday and was really groggy shortly after that for the whole evening. May need to start taking it even later. I'm also starting to bloat (up 3.5 lbs). This is most likely a symptom from the MK. May see if this subsides after awhile or consider taking adex .25mg eod or e3d, haven't decided. A bro told me it may be progesterone related so if Adex doesn't help then maybe prami will. Either way, I have them both.

Studies on MK show that subjects could stay on the compound for extended amounts of time without the body showing signs of adapting, which would render the compound less effective. Since high hgh levels take time to show significant body composition changes, I may continue to take one vile every month for 6 months, which would obviously take this through pct and another 3 months after. This and the addition of ostarine in pct could significantly help hold on to gains. Thoughts on this theory are welcome. Cardio only today.

Mar 10

Leg day. No strength gains in the gym to report. Took the MK too early again last night, passed out at 7, woke up at 9 and had trouble sleeping after. Best to take this 30 min before bed. No negative sides to report other than this. Everything I'm feeling so far is typical of S4 and MK. I'm sure the LGD will play its part within time, it's still way too early to know. I'm hoping for lean gains in mass.
 
In. Have you run the MK solo in the past? Will you be able to isolate what sides from what? Good log keep it up.
 
Only s4 side I've had is vision so that's easy. Never took MK but Ive heard its only undesirable attribute is some bloat.
 
Jbranken said:
Only s4 side I've had is vision so that's easy. Never took MK but Ive heard its only undesirable attribute is some bloat.
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What about groggyness? Is it causing physical lethargy/fatigue or just sleepy? Is that from GH release or directly from the MK?
 
digit0x said:
What about groggyness? Is it causing physical lethargy/fatigue or just sleepy? Is that from GH release or directly from the MK?
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I can only assume that it's GH release. I talked to a bro on here who compared its symptoms to GHRP 6. My energy is fine. It's not causing lethargy, only sleepiness after I dose it, so dosing it before bed would be the desired time.
 
I would have loved to have seen this with just the S-4 and LGD to see if LGD could live up to its billing as the new, improved version of ostarine. Plus, the bloat/water-retention from the MK-677 may make it hard to tell if the LGD is causing muscle mass increase or if it is just the 677 holding on to water. Still, I'm psyched to start seeing some LGD logs popping up now. Definitely going to be following. Good luck bro.
 
Yea unfortunately this isn't really the ideal log for those who want to know lgd's symptoms specifically. I dont expect significant strength gains from the mk or S4. I'm hoping for noticeable increases in strength or size, and I could easily attribute that to the lgd. Osta normally takes 2 weeks to kick in, so I'm expecting the same from lgd.
 
Jbranken said:
Yea unfortunately this isn't really the ideal log for those who want to know lgd's symptoms specifically. I dont expect significant strength gains from the mk or S4. I'm hoping for noticeable increases in strength or size, and I could easily attribute that to the lgd. Osta normally takes 2 weeks to kick in, so I'm expecting the same from lgd.
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man, i'll make my own log for sure!

dosing <1mg since the 9th.

my hunger has been out of control. eating everything in sight! maybe a coincidence i don't know.. only running LGD solo.

hitting the gym tomorrow for my 5 day pattern. hypertrophy first two weeks, then strength training next weeks to follow.

best of luck to you ! =)

i'm hoping for the best. as test subjects gained a 3lbs of muscle at 1mg for 3 weeks !
 
letsgosarms said:
man, i'll make my own log for sure!

dosing <1mg since the 9th.

my hunger has been out of control. eating everything in sight! maybe a coincidence i don't know.. only running LGD solo.

hitting the gym tomorrow for my 5 day pattern. hypertrophy first two weeks, then strength training next weeks to follow.

best of luck to you ! =)

i'm hoping for the best. as test subjects gained a 3lbs of muscle at 1mg for 3 weeks !
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Sweet ill def be looking for the log. How long you plan on running it? Will you up the dose or stay at 1mg?
 
Mar 11
Shoulder day. Only slight strength gains to report. I slept horrible last night but I attribute this to stressing over work all night. Current side effects are: euphoria, hunger pains, 'pumped' muscles, slight bloat. You may get fat on this if you're not careful. I eat, shit, then immediately want food again. Homemade Sweet potato fries have been my go-to since this cycle started. Really need to watch my carb intake if I want to continue fat loss. I feel somewhat bloated but its probably from the increase in carbs and some slight water retention. this stack would be perfect for a full on bulk! I'll weigh myself in the morning.
 
Jb I would agree with you so far about watching your diet on this one. Taking it myself at 3mg daily and it makes me violently hungry. Loving it so far though, great feeling and good energy in the gym.
 
my rat hasn't tried LGD yet as I don't want to mess with anything that is suppressive while I am bridging, however I have a couple clients rats that are very impressed with it so far and say its like using AAS and GH together because of the fat loss and hunger spike. a great bulker and cutter too depending on your goals.

I'm glad your rat is doing so well on it. if anyone wants their rat to try LGD please drop me a PM and I can get them a killer discount on it. or if they want to atleast buy it now for cheap before the price goes up later on then let me know.
 
biesel13 said:
Jb I would agree with you so far about watching your diet on this one. Taking it myself at 3mg daily and it makes me violently hungry. Loving it so far though, great feeling and good energy in the gym.
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Awesome man! Keep me updated and maybe our rats can continue to compare notes as symptoms come about
 
stevesmi said:
my rat hasn't tried LGD yet as I don't want to mess with anything that is suppressive while I am bridging, however I have a couple clients rats that are very impressed with it so far and say its like using AAS and GH together because of the fat loss and hunger spike. a great bulker and cutter too depending on your goals.

I'm glad your rat is doing so well on it. if anyone wants their rat to try LGD please drop me a PM and I can get them a killer discount on it. or if they want to atleast buy it now for cheap before the price goes up later on then let me know.
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This just got me really pumped. Good to hear other people are getting great results with it. Can't wait to get deeper into this cycle..
 
hmm I am starting to wonder how this would be on a Test/Tren cycle.....i will be adding winny in the next week or so, and I wonder how it could go in a cycle WITH aas
 
ballslee said:
hmm I am starting to wonder how this would be on a Test/Tren cycle.....i will be adding winny in the next week or so, and I wonder how it could go in a cycle WITH aas
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Could be wasteful if the lgd fights the aas for receptors.
 
Jbranken said:
Could be wasteful if the lgd fights the aas for receptors.
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but it shouldn't. that is why it is called selective androgen receptive modulators....it should be selective in the androgen receptor sites that it binds to.

but even if it goes for all of them, that would not necessarily make other steroids not work.

interesting that you say that, but I don't see that being the case. I mean has anyone taken S4 on cycle?
 
ballslee said:
but it shouldn't. that is why it is called selective androgen receptive modulators....it should be selective in the androgen receptor sites that it binds to.

but even if it goes for all of them, that would not necessarily make other steroids not work.

interesting that you say that, but I don't see that being the case. I mean has anyone taken S4 on cycle?
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I doubt it, most just use it as a bridge. Some have claimed you would be wasting the sarm using on an aas cycle, which I could only assume means the steroids would overpower the sarms, not vice versa, but I'm no expert on the subject matter. An interesting thought though
 
Mar 12

Back/Bis day. Broke through some plateaus. strength is up. I'm going to really start pushing my body by working muscle groups more often since its recovering faster. Finally quit stressing and Slept amazing last night. Weight is back down to 231 lbs which is reassuring. Either some of the bloat went down or I'm still losing weight. Either way its a good result.
 
Mar 13

Chest/tris day. I increased the weight on every set and still beat my reps from last week on every one. This is a SIGNIFICANT increase in strength and its not even a full week yet on this shit. Sleep was excellent last night. Also since I haven't mentioned it, sex drive is pretty good still. I feel like my libido could be suffering slightly but i was experiencing this right before I went on cycle, because of work stress. Ill let you know if it worsens.
 
Jbranken said:
Mar 13

Chest/tris day. I increased the weight on every set and still beat my reps from last week on every one. This is a SIGNIFICANT increase in strength and its not even a full week yet on this shit. Sleep was excellent last night. Also since I haven't mentioned it, sex drive is pretty good still. I feel like my libido could be suffering slightly but i was experiencing this right before I went on cycle, because of work stress. Ill let you know if it worsens.
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Libido is fine for me bro on day 6. Definitely keep me posted on that
 
biesel13 said:
Libido is fine for me bro on day 6. Definitely keep me posted on that
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seconded, forgot to mention this in my log..

my libido seems to be the highest it has been in ages(maybe 1 year). and only at 22 years old i am saying this. staying strong so far. can't wait to see what 3 weeks produce then go from there
 
Yea it's way too soon for any shutdown, it's just some work stress. Raises my bp and keeps me out of the mood. And of course now my gf wants to boink twice a day when I don't.
 
so you've noticed some added strength. are you noticing any increased vascularity? joint pains or aches? how is your soreness after workouts, or are you not sore?
muscle hardness? more muscle fullness/thickness? cardio effects? blood pressure?
im just thinking it would be good to keep eyes on these and include in your log so that we can really pin down what types of cycles to run this in...
 
ballslee said:
so you've noticed some added strength. are you noticing any increased vascularity? joint pains or aches? how is your soreness after workouts, or are you not sore?
muscle hardness? more muscle fullness/thickness? cardio effects? blood pressure?
im just thinking it would be good to keep eyes on these and include in your log so that we can really pin down what types of cycles to run this in...
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Thats the thing, I've pretty much described everything I've felt so far, positive and negative. I will certainly report anything that I feel isn't right or out of the norm. I haven't reported on vascularity but it is improved so sorry for leaving that out. Other than that, I sleep like a baby and I feel incredible, especially in the gym. I look bigger, I feel bigger, and I'm lifting bigger. Worst side I've experienced is increased appetite, if you can classify that as negative. My joints are holding up prefectly, if not better than they were, and my bulging discs in my back feel almost non existent (3 total). I haven't experienced DOMS in the past 5 workouts. I worked my l chest and tris so fucking hard yesterday and they feel untouched. I'm only 1 week into this and Im determined to go the full 8.
 
damn, that sounds pretty promising. no soreness for 5 workouts and killing it, sounds like full on juice to me!
curious about the increased appetite. have you taken EQ before?

increased appetite can be a good thing if you have healthy food cooked and prepared ahead of time. but damn it KILLS me when i go to the grocery store hungry. worst idea ever

good luck man, and keep up the good work. seems like this stuff is pretty strong.
Are you going to up the dose each week? can't imagine what will happen if you get to 10mg
 
Haven't done eq but I've heard tales of the hunger. I cram down almonds and spinach to ease the hunger between meals. Ill be increasing the dose to 4mg in the morning, marking the beginning of week 2. It should be an insane week at the gym
 
Jbranken said:
Haven't done eq but I've heard tales of the hunger. I cram down almonds and spinach to ease the hunger between meals. Ill be increasing the dose to 4mg in the morning, marking the beginning of week 2. It should be an insane week at the gym
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Excellent advise there with the almonds and spinach, these would be very good for snack. I ate peanuts and no-sugar dark chocolate today with workout as snack. I don't subscribe to the "fat makes fat" idea. Almonds can also be bought as a almond flour for cooking too.
 
FYI777 said:
Excellent advise there with the almonds and spinach, these would be very good for snack. I ate peanuts and no-sugar dark chocolate today with workout as snack. I don't subscribe to the "fat makes fat" idea. Almonds can also be bought as a almond flour for cooking too.
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Fat doesn't make fat indeed. The right fats at the right amount are an intricate part of the muscle building and fat loss process! I love raw almonds
 
so if you could guess, are you thinking this is more anabolic or androgenic in nature?
i would say s4 is a litle more androgenic, and ostarine more anabolic....from what you are saying, i am thinking anabolic because you aren't really experiencing much hardness or fat loss like s4 correct?
 
I would agree because lgd is similar to ostarine molecularly, though im curious of its anabolic/androgenic ratio
 
I would say as well it's definitely anabolic as opposed to androgenic. I think there is some serious size and strength potential with LGD. I'm loving it.
 
i guess the long term question will be how shut down you get. because if it massively shuts you down, it won't be useful in bridging in between cycles
 
ballslee said:
i guess the long term question will be how shut down you get. because if it massively shuts you down, it won't be useful in bridging in between cycles
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This is what I want to know. Very interested in this. Keep up the good work bro. Thanks for logging this.
 
ballslee said:
i guess the long term question will be how shut down you get. because if it massively shuts you down, it won't be useful in bridging in between cycles
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Exactly. Which is why I'm gonna ramp it up slowly and see when I finally start shutting down
 
ballslee said:
i guess the long term question will be how shut down you get. because if it massively shuts you down, it won't be useful in bridging in between cycles
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I'm not all that sure that it would be useful for bridging from what the initial trial reports concluded. After 3 weeks at 1mg per day the male testers showed significant shut down of free test, and took 5 weeks to recover. Granted, they didn't PCT but I think this wont be better for bridging than Ostarine.
 
It's apparent that this isn't the ideal chem for bridging, If its that comparable to aas, there's no way it has a place in pct. Ostarine for now is the pct king. I think LGD still has its place though... Its for those who don't want to pin, or someone who just wants a more mild cycle than standard aas has to offer. If it can produce aas gains without the sides or liver toxicity, it could replace harsh orals like halo or dbol. Could be a good kick start to a long ester test cycle too
 
Mar 14

Leg day. Things have leveled out in life and libido feels normal again. Went at it twice yesterday with the gf. Wham bam. Very good feelings over all this whole week. Constantly laughing and smiling. This is making me realize that Sarms are great for more than just muscle and fat loss, but an over-all sense of well being.

I will increase the dose to 4mg in the morning--the start of week two. Stupid idea? Prob. But hey, someone has to take the dip. And if my rat makes it out alive, we'll better understand how to dose it. The best part about it is its like using aas but without the night sweats and high bp I always get on aas. I'm not raging except at the gym. I'm very focused and calm on this.

I've worked out every day since the cycle started. After the first 3-4 days I no longer experienced DOMS, even after completely murdering my workouts with 16+ sets in the 8-12 rep range. Ill continue working out every day since my strength gains are coming in fast.

Mar 15 (Fri)

Shoulder day. Best sleep of my life the past few nights and getting plenty of it. Weight is back up to 235 and my muscle frame looks larger. But with the good comes the bad. The added weight is prob estro related as nips are slightly sensitive. Im pretty gyno prone. ill add in 12.5mg Aromasin eod and see how it treats me. Here's this week's protocol:

LGD 4033 - 4mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - PM (pre w/o)
MK 677 - 25mg - PM (post w/o)
Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD - PM
 
biesel13 said:
I would say as well it's definitely anabolic as opposed to androgenic. I think there is some serious size and strength potential with LGD. I'm loving it.
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seconded. at even this 1mg dose, that i plan to continue for my 3 week cycle i am super impressed. I don't feel like risking much since i am 22 y/o and even though i will run a PCT: OSTA/Forged Post Cycle/Forma/PowerFULL/Erase or erase pro.
I want to be safe than sorry

my size has gotten significantly 'swole' thus far. It is an awesome substance, freakin love it as well. stay up with my lgd log , if you want the results for a 3 week 1mg dose everyday!

Btw how do you like this PCT of mine?
 
letsgosarms said:
seconded. at even this 1mg dose, that i plan to continue for my 3 week cycle i am super impressed. I don't feel like risking much since i am 22 y/o and even though i will run a PCT: OSTA/Forged Post Cycle/Forma/PowerFULL/Erase or erase pro.
I want to be safe than sorry

my size has gotten significantly 'swole' thus far. It is an awesome substance, freakin love it as well. stay up with my lgd log , if you want the results for a 3 week 1mg dose everyday!

Btw how do you like this PCT of mine?
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Seems pretty sufficient for a 3 week cycle bro! Mine is gonna be pretty harsh so I'm prob gonna add hcgenerate on the back end of the cycle and a few more things to pct than you have. I've added aromasin to the cycle thus far
 
Mar 16

Back/Bis day. Down a few pounds this morning (even before my morning shit and piss ;) ) My weight has been fluctuating between 230 and 235 since the cycle started though I notice a great deal of change in my frame as a whole and my vascularity. I firmly believe this is from simultaneous fat loss/muscle growth, even on a slight cal surpluss some days (I have been eating at maintenance most days). I took a 12.5mg dose of aromasin last night and ill continue it EOD to control estro related sides I've experienced such as minor bloat and possibly itchy nips, though this could easily be my paranoia from past battles with minor gyno. Nothing serious, just a precaution. Balls are hanging low still (pictures available per request)
 
After day 5 of lgd(at 3mg ed) I also got sensitive nips added forma stanzol (5 pumps am/pm) and everything went back to normal and then some.. Gotta love forma. I have noticed that the 3 logs with lgd have all noted sensitive nips. (My log is under my Mk-2866 log which I added the lgd to my ostarine cycle).
 
scuba950 said:
After day 5 of lgd(at 3mg ed) I also got sensitive nips added forma stanzol (5 pumps am/pm) and everything went back to normal and then some.. Gotta love forma. I have noticed that the 3 logs with lgd have all noted sensitive nips. (My log is under my Mk-2866 log which I added the lgd to my ostarine cycle).
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interesting that all 3 of us can note this. although i guess i am the only one with a log running LGD solo-dolo!

i'm not prone to gyno, just always have had a bit of fatty near or around my nips. and naturally puffy nips, guess as i grow it will change or just plain genetics. every time i run a natty test booster they always puff up though. so glad i have forma stanzol , so far so good! miracle gel haha
 
Mar 17

Finally taking a day off though I feel great. Been lifting much heavier than normal so my joints probably need a break today. Sex drive has been up significantly the past few days but seminal volume has decreased slightly. As far as estro controll, Probably dose my aromasin 6.25mg ED instead of 12.5mg EOD to keep blood levels more stable from now on.

Mar 18

Chest/Tri day. My favorite day in the gym. My plan of approach at the gym today is to not only murder these weights, but I will also be hunting down their entire families and decapitating their beloved pets. I feel so 'on' right now, it's unreal. I've been taking in a stupid amount of carbs n cals lately. It will be difficult to lose any more fat if the hunger pains don't die off soon though.
 
Mar 19

Leg day. Made strength gains on dead lift and squat finally and with energy to spare, but didn't want to push it. Was considering keeping this a lean bulk for the remainder of the first 4 weeks then lightly cutting the last 4 but it really depends on if I can get these hunger pains under control. My weight is down to 231 which is amazing considering how much I've been eating and how much bigger I look. Guess I'm still burning off some fat, and with almost zero cardio. Also, if sides become too unbearable before the 8 week mark, ill be dropping the lgd and switching to osta. As of now, no negative sides have surfaced that concern me.

Mar 20

Weight at 230 even. Prob dropping off some water weight from the aromasin. Either way, hoping its water weight and maybe fat loss. Hope to see it continue dropping. My shoulder tendinitis has been bother me like hell the past few days so I'm going to take a day off today and hit shoulders tomorrow instead. This is normal when I up my volume and frequency of training but I was hopeful that the healing power of sarms could keep it under control. Guess I've really been hitting it hard lately.
 
Jb I'm right there with you dude. Up just a few lbs from the start, but eating like an absolute animal. Energy through the roof in the gym, and strength gains on all lifts. Looking bigger and fuller as well. Will definitely use again for sure.
 
biesel13 said:
Jb I'm right there with you dude. Up just a few lbs from the start, but eating like an absolute animal. Energy through the roof in the gym, and strength gains on all lifts. Looking bigger and fuller as well. Will definitely use again for sure.
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Agreed. A long as I dont have any negative sides like my dong falling off or dying, ill use it again and again.
 
Hrad said:
Great log!
How are you taking the LGD? Just via oral syringe and wash it down with water?
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Yea oral syringe. Lgd is pretty tasteless compared to the others, no need for chasers. If you thought osta or s4 tastes bad, you should try mk lol. I kinda like it though
 
wittgensteinneph said:
I'm very curious to compare logs with you guys. My rats ran a four-week Osta and S4 cycle and made slight gains in strength and big gains in hardness and vascularity. Actually lost weight, however, and am unsure whether to attribute to fat-burning properties or to the slight decline in muscle size. Did not notice any of the vision sides often associated with S4, but I tried to be careful with the dosage/titration.

Would love to hear thoughts/advice on LGD. Am looking to gain strength and size again, and it's unclear what to expect from this new compound (except what I've seen in the medical lit). Dosage, I realize, is really, really important. If my Osta and S4 run is any indication, you get better size gains at lower doses and better fat-loss properties at higher dosages. Not sure why this should be the case with compounds like these, but it was my experience with Osta/S4. Also worried about shutdown with LGD and hope that you adventurous LGD testers keep logging in with more reports.
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Not much advice I can give. I'm in week 3 with no sides but slight water retention and a case of the 'puff nips' which I easily extinguished with a low dose of aromasin ed. I've experienced zero shutdown so far and I'm hitting PR's in the gym daily. I'm up to 5mg also. Pretty cool stuff. As far as dosages with osta and s4, I dont believe lower doses would yield more fat loss. The optimum doses are still 50mg ED for s4 and 25mg ED for osta. These doses will produce the optimum amount of fat loss and muscle gain, but it depends on your diet mostly.
 
Mar 21

Shoulder day. New strength gains. I've had zero sides from the s4 at the two week mark which is really interesting. Same stuff I've always used from SS. I was plagued with gnarly vision sides my last few runs with it and they kicked in pretty fast. I'm curious if there's some kind of synergistic effect it's having with the LGD that's suppressing the sides but that would be pretty farfetched. Ill keep tabs on this. Two weeks in and balls are still hanging low.

Mar 22

Back/Bi day. Still making gains. Start of week 3 and no negative sides. I'm horny and healthy. Even monitoring BP with my digital monitor. Lets celebrate by upping the dose to 5mg. The 'sleepy after dosing' MK sides have went away so I moved it to the AM with the other compounds.

Here's this week's protocol:

LGD 4033 - 5mg - AM
MK 677 - 25mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - AM
S4 - 25mg - PM (pre w/o)
Aromasin - 6.25mg ED - PM
 
Mar 23

Off day. Weight 228. Shoulder killing me.

Mar 24

Chest/tri day. It's surprising how full my boys are today. Libido is up. Curious as to why, now that im into week 3. Also very curious why I have absolutely no visions sides from the S4 like I normally get, and I get them bad. I've been alternating between two bottles of S4 (one old, one new) to make sure one didn't go bad, though its only a year old. I'm stoked about it though.

Mar 25

On a good recomp ride. Weight is still hovering around 228-230 and I'm noticeably bigger, which can only mean im dropping good amounts of fat. I look noticeably leaner too. I'm taking in loads of cals. My diet since the start of this has been less than great because of the hunger pains. I dip into quite a bit of red meat, sweet potatoes, carbs from wheat bread. Not too dirty but not as clean as i usually like it. Still, weight remains the same with a drop in bf and I make daily gains in the gym. I was plateaued for 4 months prior to the cycle.

Worked all day and night keeping the lights on for the midwest during snow storms so no gym, but didnt notice bad vision from S4 during night work. Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it since I've used it before.

Mar 26

Leg day. Dropped the aromasin a few days ago and started forma to see if the shoulder pain would subside, and it did. Very odd. Shouldn't have been crushing estro to the point of drying out joints, but only time will tell if this continues to help. Libido is fine. No other sides to report. Hunger pains have subsided slightly and are more tolerable. Now I can clean my diet up and start dropping a little more bf. My weaker or lagging muscle groups are really coming out too
 
My 2nd S-4 run I didn't have any sides up to 70. My first one I had severe sides at 50 on a 5on2off protocol. Maybe the body deals with it better on more runs.
 
MrSinister said:
My 2nd S-4 run I didn't have any sides up to 70. My first one I had severe sides at 50 on a 5on2off protocol. Maybe the body deals with it better on more runs.
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That's what im thinking. Would be pretty cool if true.
 
how will your PCT end up

week's 8-12 what will you be running?

I just finished a GW/MK-2866/MK-677 cycle. On my 3rd week of PCT now

Conidering LDG.... the vision stuff still scares me for S4
 
randomperson said:
how will your PCT end up

week's 8-12 what will you be running?

I just finished a GW/MK-2866/MK-677 cycle. On my 3rd week of PCT now

Conidering LDG.... the vision stuff still scares me for S4
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The vision stuff was only noticeable to me on my first run and it was when I would wake up in a dark room. Not that big a deal. My pct isn't set in stone but it will look something like this:

PCT (weeks 8-12)

HCGenerate: 4-8 (on cycle)

Clomid 25mg: 8-11
Unleashed: 8-12
Forma Stanzol: 8-14
Kre Alkalyn: 7-whenever
Ostarine 25mg: 8-12
GW 20mg: 8-14 (or 16)
Bridge: 12-empty
Jungle Warfare: 10-empty
MK 677 25mg: several months
 
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JB how is everything going?.. weight?.. strength?.. side effects?

Real interesting in starting this come May.. Notcied any more vision probs with S4?

Appreciate it ! n hope everything goes well my friend
 
Mar 27

Shoulder day. Starting to see a great change in my composition. Muscles full from morning till night. Strength gains just keep adding on. Need to back off a bit as its starting to affect joints. Hard to say what my gains are comparable to, but I'd say TBol stacked with moderate dose of Test.

Mar 28

Back/bi day. Very pleased looking in the mirror this morning. Slow and steady gains.

Mar 29

Today marks the start of week 4. I'm increasing the LGD 4033 to 6mg ED. No side effects have surfaced. I'm going to prepare myself this week for cutting at the start of week 5. It will be tough with the hunger I'm experiencing. No gym today. Cardio only.

Mar 30

Chest/tri day. Made some gains on bb bench today. Dosed LGD at 6mg again this morning. Diet was high protein and very low carb yesterday and ill continue this trend from now on with occasional carb ups. Started double dosing some Unleashed today too. Hoping to free up some test.

Mar 31

Leg day. Still adding reps to lifts. Weight is 227.5. Feels good to rid of some bloat by cutting the carbs and dairy down. Everything is good in the sex drive department.

Apr 1

Shoulder day. 6mg dosing is really bringing out the best. killed chest and tris two days ago, pushed out more reps than the week before, and feel nothing today. Recovery is getting better and DOMS is almost non existent

Apr 2

Back/bi day. Weight 226.6. Getting a bit glycogen depleted from low carbing. Feeling a little flat but strength is unaffected so far. Finally getting a few black blotches in my vision at night in a dark room from s4 but no biggy. No sides to report
 
Jb anything other than your average joint pain? I've had a horrible pain on the right side of my jaw for 3 days now.
 
It's been a little achy on the elbow department but nothing out of the norm
 
Blood pressure is normal. Everything is great. Nothing negative to report on this product whatsoever. running at 7mg in week 5
 
What overall effects have you noticed so far? I'm curious about specifics like:

Water retention
Strength increase
Weight/Size increase
Appetite
Mood
Sleep
Etc.

When you have a chance I'd love to know.
 
notjake11 said:
What overall effects have you noticed so far? I'm curious about specifics like:

Water retention- There was slight water retention and a case of the puff nips (very prone). Forma stanzol took care of this nicely
Strength increase- Within days i had a noticeable increase in strength, it seems to have leveled out the past week or so, even with dosage increases
Weight/Size increase- My composition has many very positive changes. I adjusted my diet many times this cycle because of hunger pains. After the proper adjustments recently, I'm now cutting fat rapidly in week 5 but strength has not suffered
Appetite- havent used EQ, but I couldn't imagine it gets much worse than what I experienced the first 3 weeks
Mood- great sense of well being. Pretty remarkable
Sleep- better than ever, but in using mk677 too so think what you will
Etc.

When you have a chance I'd love to know.
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This product is worth every penny my friends
 
Apr 10

Haven't updated in a few days but what's to report besides amazing results? I'm still killing it. Cals are below maintenance ad carbs are very low 6/7 days a week, yet I haven't lost strength. Gains have nearly leveled off but like I said, cals/carbs are down so I probably won't make many more gains. My libido is normal and my boys show no signs of atrophy. Seminal volume is normal. BP normal. Sleep is perfect. Weight is down and muscles are really popping. Vascuarity still improving. Negative sides are non existent as far as I can tell. I'm at 7mg ED and will increase to 8mg on Friday. Gains and fat loss do not seem to necessarily reflect the increase of dosage. I feel that my results may have been similar running the sarm for 3-5mg the whole cycle. Ill continue to increase for experimental purposes and report the results with a thorough review. 3 weeks left
 
Nice work man! Been following and all your progress gets me more amped up to give this stuff a shot. I'm curious to see how your body reacts once you come off. Good luck!

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It would be cool if some1 posted some bloodwork for LGD.. At the very least a liver panel to evaluate safety
 
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