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Sustenon
Pros: great lean mass gains with little to no bloat… even at low dosages.
Cons: Hurts like a bitch and I have to inject too much of it now to bulk with it.

Deca
Pros: Excellent mass drug. A little goes a long way.
Cons: I experience some bloat, and it gave me excessive acne.

Test Prop
Pros: Works instantly, good strength gains, increased sex drive.
Cons: Hurts like hell, has to be injected frequently, and I never made good mass gains on it. One of the drugs I’ll only use for cutting from now on.

Tren
Pros: By far the best substance I’ve used. Insane strength gains, quality mass gains, excellent for cutting cycles.
Cons: Very harsh on the kidneys (wouldn’t use for more than 8-9wks), and doesn’t work well as a bulker for me. Another one of the drugs I’ll only use for cutting.

Primo
Pros: Hmmm.... :rolleyes: I'll have to think about this one.
Cons: Very expensive and very mild drug. Have to inject too much of it for it to be effective. I put this in the category with GH… the price is simply not worth the gains.

Winstrol
Pros: Very effective cutting drug, cheap and easy to come by. ( I prefer the pill form)
Cons: Joint irritation. Really has to be taken ED for the best results.

Anadrol
Pros: Increased strength, pumps, and endurance in the gym. (Got my best results at 50-75mg/day).
Cons: Very harsh on the liver (I had liver pains while on this) and not very effective for me as a muscle builder… even at doses up to 150mg/day. (This is one of the drugs that after I run out of my stock I will most likely never use it again).

Anavar
Didn’t run it long enough to really evaluate the benefits, but it’s expensive and 4wks at 35mg/day did nothing for me. I’ll use it again when I can get ahold of enough of it to really run it correctly.

Dianabol
Pros: Awsome mass gains, and good strength gains. Works well at low dosages, and stacks well next to almost anything. ( I use dbol in almost every cycle I do).
Cons: Causes bloat, raises my BP (which could set off things like headaches, nosebleeds, etc.). And one of the drugs that I’m gyno sensitive to.

Drugs Im testing now:
EQ, Test Enanthate
 
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Ive not experimented with a lot of variety, but here is my experiences:

Dbol:
Good strength gains, good mass gains. I put on a lot of weight in the first few days. usually 4 or 5 lbs (most of it is water obviously) but it is definately a confidence booster and gets me motivated to see things working. I personally have to take more than 30 mg a day to see anything though.
Cons: I get occaisonal headaches, higher bp for sure, and don't seem to have as much stamina for my soccer/bball games. Could just be the extra weight, but I dont know. Slight gyno symptoms, but Ive not had anything too bad yet as far as gyno goes. Also If I dont get enough sleep, I start feeling horrible.

Sust 250:
I use in conjunction with Dbol. Good strength and mass gains. I really dont seem to have many side effects with it. No test flu for me.
Cons: I HATE injecting it. I mean, I really hate injecting it. Mostly because I get so sore from it, and Ive never been a big fan of pins anyway. Its serves its purpose though, so gotta do what you gotta do. Kills my athletic performance due to soreness in muscle. Also seems to shut my boys down pretty badly.

Winstrol:
I actually react very well to winny as far as mass and strength gains. Its supposed to be a cutting aid, but I actually gain quite well on it. Definately good for muscle hardness, and I get crazy vascularity while on it.
Cons: oh my aching joints. G&C is a must while on this if you arent on deca.
 
STEN
pros - I can't find one
cons - does nothing for me, I broke out for the first time ever with it... been a problem ever since.

METHYL TEST (Russian dbol)
pros - cost, immdiate strength gains, considerable size gains.
cons - liver toxic, can't run that long, back hair growth, head hair loss.
 
FknKnuckleHd said:
A50
Pros: I got strong as hell
Cons: The bloat was horrible, gyno, I had flu like symptoms which affected my workouts.
The verdict: I wouldn't take it ever again

Test en:
Pros: Good strength grains, sex drive went through the ROOF!, good gains in size.
Cons:Some bloat but, bloat that I can live with and it takes a few weeks to kick in.
The verdict: I love it and it has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Deca:
Pros: Good strength gains, good mass gains, very little if any bloat so with Deca I can gain mass & strength while still keeping my definition. It works wonders on sore joints.
Cons: Personally I have yet to find one
The verdict: It too has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Dbol:
Pros: Great strength and mass gains, it kicks in very fast and works amazingly with Deca even at low dosages(20-25mg ed). Price.
Cons: acne, bloat and gyno.
The verdict: It has a place in my winter cycles

HGH:
Pros: Burns fat, great for my tendons and joints.
Cons: Price, its very fragile.
The verdict: I would not take unless it was free......it is, for now at least. You'll see better results from taking a cycle of Winstrol for 12 wks than a 4 month cycle of growth @ 4iu's ed.

Tren/ Finaplix:
Pros: GREAT strength & mass gains, burns fat, good definition, price.
Cons: I've been known to hurt people while on it, injections are taken everyday and I hear it's toxic.
The verdict: Its great but I can't do another cycle until all the scare tissue heals from my last tren cycle. I'm a sales rep and its been know to effect my interaction with my clients.

Eq:
Pros:
Cons: Its very simular to Deca but only weaker. So why take it when you can take Deca. I never saw anything good from Eq.
The verdict: I'm sticking with Deca

Test C:
See Test-En

Winstrol:
Pros: Great definition, you gain lean quality mass, its water based so a 27g needle works fine, its a site specific type of steroid.
Cons: price and the ed injections(you can drink it but I guess I'm too old school for that)
The verdict: Its one of my favorites

Insulin:
Pros: Dirt cheap, works wonders when mixed with growth.
Cons: It can kill you....enough said.
The verdict: I would only risk it if I'm taking growth and even them I only use it on the days I workout @ 8-10 ius after my morning wkout.


Nolvadex:
HCG: They are a must to have for your PCT
Clomid:

FKH


I forgot one:

Sust250 / Omn250
Pros: Its was great for a first cycle, it works well by itself, decent strength & mass gains.
Cons: I bloat way too much off of either one, I get much better results from either Test-E or Test-C
The verdict: I've got no love for it
 
FknKnuckleHd said:
I forgot one:

Sust250 / Omn250
Pros: Its was great for a first cycle, it works well by itself, decent strength & mass gains.
Cons: I bloat way too much off of either one, I get much better results from either Test-E or Test-C
The verdict: I've got no love for it


I agree with you in regards to sust/omna. For some reason I retain much more water compared to either enanthate or cypionate.
 
Test Propionate:

Pros: Fast Acting, Reasonable Price, Works well in moderate doses, stacks well with anything, keepable gains unlike Test Suspension,

Cons: Needs injections E2D, Sort Injections

Test Suspension:

Pros: Dramatic strength and size gains, fast acting

Cons Harsh on liver, frequent injections needed, gains dificult to keep
 
I forgot this one:

DENKALL DBOL:
pros: cheap, no shots
cons: no noticeable strength gains, bloated the hell out of me, waste of money
verdict: Kick me in the balls if you hear of me using this stuff again.
 
Test Cyp
Excellent size and strength with significant water retention, lots of sides but most are easily managed. I'm too estrogen sensitive to use a lot. Great choice for ectomorphs.

Fina/Trenbolone
Excellent size and strength with no water retention; makes me lethargic after 6-8 weeks. Painful pumps about a month in; blood pressure also went up while on. Good choice for endo/mesomorphs.

Deca
Excellent size and strength with little water retention; recovery can be difficult if pct is poorly planned. Another good choice for ectomorphs.

EQ
Mild size/strength gains; call it a weaker Deca with fewer sides. Good choice for endo/mesomorphs.

Primo
Mild size/strength gains; call it an expensive but even safer EQ. Great choice for endo/mesomorphs and contest dieters. Not cost effective for bulk cycles compared to EQ.

Dianabol
Good size/strength gains; Good choice to jumpstart a cycle; moderate to high side effects; cost-effective.

IGF-1
Good size/strength gains when combined with AAS; minimal sides other than frequent and irritating hand numbness. Little to mild water retention. Potential for fat loss. Call it a faster-acting (therefore cheaper) GH, although cost-effectiveness is debateable.
 
Rather than add to what has already been mentioned amongst the vets out there, because anyone who's been in this game for a while has probably experience every product posted so far... Lets get into more advanced supplementation.

For instance I'm a recent national qualifier who is looking to make increased gains and looking for the most advanced ways of utilizing the latest technology.
Has anyone had any expereience with the following stack: HGH, IGF-1, and Slin?
If so, did you use anabolics with this stack or could I use this stack as more or less a bridge til I am ready for my next go round? Please post experience. I've done tons of research but most say that this is only a good stack to use with anabolics. However I would prefer to hear from the vets on this board rather than some research article posted by Joe Schmo
 
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