Let's Organize for FDA Reform!

[rogerwilcox]

I posted this under the thread on ephedra. I think this warrants a thread of its own - if not its own website. I don't have the resources to organize this, but surely someone here must. This is totally out of hand. The FDA is actually harming us by taking away things that could greatly improve our lifes. Sure, we need some regulation, but it's clear the FDA is not out to protect us, but is a truly corrupt organization run more by political influence than a desire to protect us.

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It's clear brothers and sisters - we need to band people together to get the bullshit political influence out of the FDA. This is out of hand.

1. Cigarrettes are legal. Questions?

2. Tryptophan was made illegal due to one "bad batch" of tryptophan. Here's an amino that helped so many people sleep and fight depression. How could a bad batch of the stuff cause them to make it illegal? Sheer insanity. Insanity... Heh - on that note, some theorize that the whole thing was lobbied by the drug companies to facilitate the sale of prozac et. al. Who could sell prozac when an OTC amino bumps on seratonin levels so effectively?

3. PPA - yeah, perhaps there were a few odd cases where it *may* have been associated with a couple of deaths. Clearly not nearly as many as tobacco.

... and the list goes on.

When political influence has more weight than the overall benefit for our citizens in decisions of drug regulation, we have a serious problem in this country.

Think about it - certain people in power are taking away your right to ingest certain chemicals that can improve tour health and well-being. This is a serious crime in my mind and it needs to end.

"Got a revolution inside your eyes, we've got to get up and organize."

R Jr.

 

[rogerwilcox]

bump - perhaps I should remind you guys this is the same organization responsible for making gear illegal - the same group that is responsible for making you feel like a criminal every time you try to get and use your gear - thanks to them your friends and doctors think you're insane for trying gear...

 

[DrJMW]

Some Good News

president Bush has not appointed a new FDA director yet. My understanding is that one of the top candidates is pro-anti-aging/longevity. What this means for us is a possible loosening up to the requirements for obtaining/possessing anabolics. I read about this at www.lef.org

 

[rogerwilcox]

Re: Some Good News

president Bush has not appointed a new FDA director yet. My understanding is that one of the top candidates is pro-anti-aging/longevity. What this means for us is a possible loosening up to the requirements for obtaining/possessing anabolics. I read about this at www.lef.org

Good point, Dr. J - is there anything we can do to get this candidate in there?

 

[DrJMW]

I believe that there are form letters on that website to send to the president endorsing this candidate.

 

[micromko]

maybe i will apply....gear would be available in every store!!!!

 

[notpuff]

corrsect me if im wrong but i dont think the fda HASpower to make gear legal i think congress has the power

 

[notpuff]

correct me if im wrong but i dont think the fda HASpower to make gear legal i think congress has the power

 

[rogerwilcox]

correct me if im wrong but i dont think the fda HASpower to make gear legal i think congress has the power

Hey notpuff,

Good question - however, I would imagine that congress must not be involved in every single decision of this or that substance... It would seem that they delegate most (all?) of this power to the FDA?

R Jr.

 

[notpuff]

according to rick collins the fda,ama and dea was against making steroids illegal and they still did it so i dont think anythign would cahnge except maybe l-tryptophan would be back

 

[Scatback55]

Now answer this. Do you really want gear to be legal?

First of all think about it only the really smart people, like those on the board, are the ones usually able to obtain them and know how to use them properly, i.e. using anti-e's. There are a lot of ignorant people out there that yes are able to get them but usually it is a bunch of Dbol tabs that they pop and never better their diet. Also if your big than you are one of the elite. Imagine being able to buy gear at GNC too many people would do it and ofcourse abuse it and there would be too many health problems do to its abuse. Plus there would be more big guys out there and you wouldn't feel as superior any more. Yes gear being legal would make life soo much easier for us. No more hiding it or trying to figure out sources and shipping problems. But what about expenses. Gear really isn't all that expensive but go ahead and flood a high demand market with them and you sure as hell better bet that prices will be a lot more expensive than they are now. I think we are a lot better off with gear being illegal it isn't that bad just a little more challenging and what would life be like with out a good old challenge. Right??!!
Maybe work on the other pharmaceuticals like PPA and are good AA buddy tryptophan after all it is one of the ten essentials.

 

[notpuff]

that is retarded you shouldnt be jailed for aas use and legalization doesnt mean otc it means u go to a doc he gives it to you and monitor you , and listen people have to start takign responsibility for there actions, and the superior thing if you just take roids without increasing ur diet u wont gain allot

 

[freshr1]

I agree with Scatback55. I'm against legalization of gear, but I am for decriminalization of it. You don't just want any kid doing gear without doing their research, and without a bit of work. If it were available OTC, you'd have every newbie doing gear. As someone posted before, you gotta pay your dues before you use.

They should decriminalize it though. ie, they can't throw you in jail for owning/using.

 

[Heffe]

Scatback...

I don't think that we necessarily want to buy the stuff from GNC, maybe just lighten up on the penalties for having/using. Go back to the early and mid eighties when gear was basically only illegal to sell and possession was legal. The fact that we can go to jail for simply possessing a small amount is what's most bullshit.

 

[bulkhead]

some countries

canada , i think , allow possesion but not dist. that might be an option

 

[notpuff]

it should be liek britan legal for personel use

 

[Scatback55]

I understand, I merely added the GNC comment to be more extreme to emphasize the point I was trying to make. And yes gear does not equal size. But gear + proper nutrition + proper trainning = gain. Just throwing some comments out there to think about. I am pretty sure that I know for a fact that it will never ever become legal just becuase of the possible abuse. But possibly reduced penalties are what we might see in the future. I hope. Then again I really don't have to worry about it cause I don't inject in public bathrooms and I never tell anyone when I am doing a cycle. This minimizes problems. Well, keep up the thoughts guys-sounds good so far.

 

[notpuff]

i dont agree listen if u abuse it and you get health problems its no bodies fault but your own . the person who seriously could get it decriminalized is lee haney he is head of the presidents council on physical if hed brign it up with some support from joe weider wed get it back in the doc office

 

[Scatback55]

I agree with you. If you use and abuse and get health problems. Yeah it is that persons fault and they'll have to pay for it. However, again just taking things to the extreme to see worst case senario. If they become legalized there is a possibility of too many people abusing and running into problems. In which case that would only revert them to declareing them a controled substance again.
However, lets be more realistic. If they were legalized, most likely you would only be able to get them through a doctor, through a perscription. By doing this you may think this would cut out potential problems. But now you will have a huge black market sell of them because they are legal no one will worry about getting caught with them. They simply say these are mine and no I am not selling. Now it is just a lot easier for people to obtain and use with out worries.
Basically my thoughts are, that steroids will never become legal....never not ever. Why because they are a drug and can be abused and have sever sides when abused.
Keeping it illegal keeps them mostly in the BB world for people that really pay their dues.
I am assumming Notpuff you want to make them legal? If so, reasoning?

 

[chillin408]

Hey..When you guys cross the boarder into Mexico, Do you see kids that are jacked on roids running around in the street??? Do you see guys with steroid induced tits?? In any other country where roids are obtainable without major restraints, Are people running around getting problems? I don't think so

Right now, as gear is illegal, I have seen many posts on boards where people have been taking D-BOLS while not dieting and then getting shitty gains. Some members on this board have gyno too. So what

I guarantee that peoples lives are fucked because of criminalization than misusing steroids. For example the guy who got arrested a few thread ago for possession of gear, his life is fucked up more than if he would have just go gyno or something. At least he would have fucked himself up.

Steroids being legal- You can hurt yourself or fuck yourself up

Steroids being illegal--The government hurts you and fucks you up. And you also still can hurt yourself are fuck yourself before criminalization.

 

[Scatback55]

You are in power.
Steroids being legal- you fuck yourself by being stupid therefore =DEA is best friend.

Why aren't the kids in Mexico jacked up?
Because Mexico isn't like the US there educational level isn't even close to ours. Also, they probably have no real concept of BB. I bet there really aren't that many BB in Mexico and if there were they moved to the US for competition or they are there and use steroids. Their attitudes are much much different than that of Americans. It is not that they don't care it is that they really don't need to care. Why use steriods to get bigger?

Americans are much different than others. I am not trying to draw a big debate just merely point out that it is better off staying illegal. I am kind of looking out for the idiots too.
Be smart don't get caught!!!

 

[rogerwilcox]

If AS (and other chemicals that can enhance our lives) were decriminalized and made available (with or without) a prescription, the quality of life in this country would be higher.

Yes, there would be some dangers... But proper labeling and warnings would do the trick - if it didn't the people screwed themselves and that's their problem. Draino has warnings about ingestion - do we take it off the market because some foolish kid decides to snort it?

The problem is that our government thinks they need to think for us. We should be trusted to think for ourselves. The government should make sure we have enough information readily available to make informed decisions.

For those of you who argue against legalization... I'm not really clear on your arguments. Perhaps we should list some countries where they are legal and see if these supposed problems we're supposed to encounter were they legal are happening there...

I, for one, am sick of feeling like a criminal and think we need to band together.

R Jr.

 

[Scatback55]

Your right! I like AAS and I don't abuse and most of us don't the government should let us make up our own minds. The above I have stated are in defense of the government and why it is illegal. It would make life so much easier for us wouldn't it? But what the hell ya gonna do? Life is too short to worry about it. Just continue with your sources be smart and don't get caught and all will be well.

 

[notpuff]

roger is right and btw the goverment could make it that its only legal via a doc and not through a seller they could find a way to meet half way and btw aas do improve your life they just do im tired of hearing horror stories they never show the good stories where ppl none competition or athletic guys improve there life steroids shouldnt be otc but should be available througha doctor