Let's Lose This Myth.

[Nelson Montana]

As much as I liked and respected Dan Duchaine, his claim that a first cycle should be one in which you "make the most of it" is probably one of the dumbest things ever said. (Then again, knowing Dan, he may have said it just to fuck with peoples heads).

The first cycle always produces the best results, or seems to, because it's the first time muscle growth is so rapid and pronounced. This is exactly the reason one should use the LEAST amount necessary. A couple of d-bols on virgin recptors will produce outstanding results if you eat enough and train hard enough.

The notion that you can make massive gains in one shot is as dumb as training biceps for 12 hours at once and then not training them for another 6 months. The human organism develops through adaptation, NOT, though a sudden metamorposis. Those results never last.

The body always wants to maintain homeostais and needs to become slowly accostumed to changes. The great thing about gear is that it can accelerate the progress. But only so much.

Everyone who ever decides to pick up a weight must realize that above everything else, bodybuilding is about working the body -- HARD. Everything else... mega nutrition, supplements and even drugs, just help. Do the former without the later, and you'll still see results. Do the later without the former and you'll get nothing.
Forget about "making the most " of your first cycle with high dosgages. Make the most of your first cycle by busting your ass in the gym.

 

[Big Bad Buff]

Just when I thought we were all making some progress here Nelson comes out with yet another ridiculous statement! The first cycle is where one tends to gets the best gains. Your receptors are virgins so why not take full advantage of that? What I think is funny is how you were praising and kissing Dan's ass when you interviewed him over at T-Mag (before they fired you, lol).

http://www.t-mag.com/html/41ducha.html

Quoted by Nelson Montana:

"He's baaack! The one. The only. The original "Steroid Guru," Dan Duchaine is, once again, on the loose—and talking to Testosterone.

It wouldn't be too much of an overstatement to say that talking to Dan was an epiphany of sorts. This is the man! The Michael Jordan, the Babe Ruth, the veritable Da Vinci of modern day bodybuilding. Although we spoke at length on various topics, the crux of our conversation was about, what else? Steroids! I took full advantage of every moment to pick Dan's brain on the subject that he almost single-handedly brought to the forefront of the bodybuilding community.

As many Testosterone readers may already know, Dan has written countless articles and several books, including the well-received diet bible, "BodyOpus." But none are more infamous than the original "Underground Steroid Handbook." This modest 18-page pamphlet was the very first piece of literature on the practical application of steroid use for bodybuilding purposes. Although there are a few inaccuracies in USH, it presented an innovative, brutally frank, and often brilliant blueprint of steroid descriptions and their applications. He also offered what was, at times, a "crudely humorous" yet startlingly eloquent philosophy concerning the use of performance-enhancing substances. To this day, there is hardly an iota of information written on the subject of steroids that hasn't in some way stemmed from Dan's original observations.

At one point during our conversation, I stopped being an interviewer and became a fan. You can't really blame me, though, as it was a chance to get a first-hand account of history from the guy who literally "wrote the book." I asked Dan, "Are you aware of the impact you've had on the public's understanding of steroids?" Dan's response was succinct, yet sounded as if it was one he had answered many times. He said, "I simply took the subject of drugs out of the doctor's office and placed it on the kitchen table."

When Muscle Media abandoned its hardcore stance and attempted to succeed as a "fitness" magazine, Dan's irreverent opinions were silenced. But that's all over now! Dan is free to speak his mind.

It should be of no surprise to anyone that he has a lot to say."

 

[Nelson Montana]

Everyone ignore this imbicile until he's banned, which should be soon.

 

[evolutionoftherevolution]

As much as I liked and respected Dan Duchaine, his claim that a first cycle should be one in which you "make the most of it" is probably one of the dumbest things ever said. (Then again, knowing Dan, he may have said it just to fuck with peoples heads).

The first cycle always produces the best results, or seems to, because it's the first time muscle growth is so rapid and pronounced. This is exactly the reason one should use the LEAST amount necessary. A couple of d-bols on virgin recptors will produce outstanding results if you eat enough and train hard enough.

The notion that you can make massive gains in one shot is as dumb as training biceps for 12 hours at once and then not training them for another 6 months. The human organism develops through adaptation, NOT, though a sudden metamorposis. Those results never last.

The body always wants to maintain homeostais and needs to become slowly accostumed to changes. The great thing about gear is that it can accelerate the progress. But only so much.

Everyone who ever decides to pick up a weight must realize that above everything else, bodybuilding is about working the body -- HARD. Everything else... mega nutrition, supplements and even drugs, just help. Do the former without the later, and you'll still see results. Do the later without the former and you'll get nothing.
Forget about "making the most " of your first cycle with high dosgages. Make the most of your first cycle by busting your ass in the gym.

Timely post as I'm counting down the days before I start my first cycle of Testosterone and Oxandrolone (with A-Dex).

Based on the results I'm reading about with Oxandrolone on the Anabolic Steroids board I was pondering using 37.5 mg a day as opposed to 25. This puts things in perspective.

EOR

 

[ham2]

well, Montana's words just sound a pompous introduction of a guest of renown...
a bit like wrestling...
Personally, i got Dan's stuff & i always used to read his articles when available.
Yet Dan is nothing out of this world...
mainly meant to impress newbies...
i remember an interview of his where he discredited any non hardcore AAS usage, saying you couldn't get results...

 

[Big Bad Buff]

Everyone ignore this imbicile until he's banned, which should be soon.

What's the matter? Did I catch you with your pants down again?

 

[meowcat]

nope Bag bad enuff.u did'nt catch anyone wit their pants down.nelson makes sense.my first cycle was a extremely low dosage one and i gained tremendously from it.it also gave my body a chance to get accostumed to juice and the side effects that come with it.
Nelson,u should get rid of these clowns whose only mission in life is to contradict whatever you say.remember what this board is named.

 

[doublebicep]

Nelson is 100% correct. I say this based upon my own experience. 5mg dbol 2x's a day was my first back in the day when it was not illegal (early 80's). The gains in size and strength wher amazing. My thoughts are use as low a dose as needed to get results. If you are not a pro, then why risk your health with extreme cycles?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Just when I thought we were all making some progress here Nelson comes out with yet another ridiculous statement! The first cycle is where one tends to gets the best gains. Your receptors are virgins so why not take full advantage of that? What I think is funny is how you were praising and kissing Dan's ass when you interviewed him over at T-Mag (before they fired you, lol).

I agree with Nelson. There is no first cycle magic. Also, you can grow significantly with a lower dose on a first cycle than possibly your 5th or 6th. An individual who starts out shooting 2-4 grams a week in his first cycle is doomed to a life of diminishing returns. 500-800mg a week will yield great results on virgin receptors.

Huge first cycles are like trying to kill a fly with a cannonball. It is totally unnecessary.

 

[BonerBoy]

Nelson is 100% correct. I say this based upon my own experience. 5mg dbol 2x's a day was my first back in the day when it was not illegal (early 80's). The gains in size and strength wher amazing. My thoughts are use as low a dose as needed to get results. If you are not a pro, then why risk your health with extreme cycles?

yep, I did the same on my first cycle, (83) I was working for this guy that was huge and doing his first cycle that talked me into my first cycle

He said to pyramid (dbol) starting at 5mg a wk and stoping on wk 7 at 35mg a wk, anyway I was leery of side effects so decided to cut that dose in half 2.5 mg first wk then go up 2.5 mg a wk

It was awsome I never went over 10 mgs but after strugling to gain a pound or two over the prior 6 mos all the suden I'm throwing all kinds of weight around getting compliments from the big guys at the gym, I definately did'nt need more gear

I'm glad I did'nt start out with a standard dbol/tren/test stack when I felt like a rockstar on just 10 mgs of dbol

 

[milo hobgoblin]

While studying Molecular Bio and Steroid Chem in college I met Dan Duchaine at the gym I worked at (Golds Gym in Oceanside Ca.)

I did not find him to have a very in depth knowledge and steroid biochemistry.. but he could recite journal abstracts like nobodies business and tell you all the different stuff he tried.. but he didnt seem to have a strong grasp on WHY it worked.

and his front loading ideas were a little wacky.. they were based on the idea that the recptors never fully recover from that first magical cycle.. which IMHO is wrong.. receptors are proties and their density is directly related to use and estrogen levels..

maybe if Dan didnt have people so heavily dependent on Anti-E's they wouldnt have had as much recpetor shutdown.. they really just had low androgen recpetor density.

oh well. live and learn.