Least water retention

[ryno9000]

What is the LEAST water retaining testosterone from everyone's experience. Also, many people told me to stay away from doing a Tren/Winstrol stack for my second cycle, but failed to give a reason. And, if I do use those two, can they be put in the same needle to reduce # injections? Let me know.

 

[dark side]

Testosterone Propionate would have a little less water retention, but almost all test is going to give it to you in some fashion. As for people steering you away from Tren and Winny for a second cycle I think it would be because that Tren is really not a newbie type of steroid.

DarkSide

 

[Stacemranger]

What is the LEAST water retaining testosterone from everyone's experience. Also, many people told me to stay away from doing a Tren/Winstrol stack for my second cycle, but failed to give a reason. And, if I do use those two, can they be put in the same needle to reduce # injections? Let me know.

Aye, I'd not do Tren as your second. Very very harsh steroid. Maybe try some EQ or deca.

 

[Apexx]

What is the LEAST water retaining testosterone from everyone's experience. Also, many people told me to stay away from doing a Tren/Winstrol stack for my second cycle, but failed to give a reason. And, if I do use those two, can they be put in the same needle to reduce # injections? Let me know.

as was stated earlier, tren isn't for beginners.

Try an 8 week cycle of prop and winny along with some adex. You should see what your looking for......lean mass, nice hardness, and very little water retention.

BTW, you shouldn't mix winny with any oil based steroid in the same injection.

 

[Makavelli]

Prop doesn't hold much water, but it hurts like a mutha fucka!

 

[ryno9000]

Thanks for the help. I still don't fully understand what is meant by "harsh," but I guess that is what makes me a beginner! Is it just intense side effects or what? And if its harsh in the side effects, what difference does it make how experienced you are? Side effects are side effects. I don't know. I guess I'll take advice from those who know and run a little test first and see what its all about. Maybe I'll finally see the light. Thanks.

 

[Apexx]

Thanks for the help. I still don't fully understand what is meant by "harsh," but I guess that is what makes me a beginner! Is it just intense side effects or what? And if its harsh in the side effects, what difference does it make how experienced you are? Side effects are side effects. I don't know. I guess I'll take advice from those who know and run a little test first and see what its all about. Maybe I'll finally see the light. Thanks.

harsh as in very toxic to your body.

the reason beginners shouldn't use it is because they will grow just fine off of other compounds that aren't as toxic

 

[ass_face]

What is the LEAST water retaining testosterone from everyone's experience. Also, many people told me to stay away from doing a Tren/Winstrol stack for my second cycle, but failed to give a reason. And, if I do use those two, can they be put in the same needle to reduce # injections? Let me know.

Test prop is your best bet.. or if you can take it, test suspension.

Those that are telling you not to do Tren and Winny are idiots. Tren is no more harsh than any other steroid. For some reason people keep saying tren is hard on kidneys or whatever and they are using anecdotal evidence from the old Parabolan steroid. Parabolan was the HydroHexacarbonate ester and it was very toxic to kidneys.... Acetate or Enanthate is not. I have done 6 Tren cycles with blood work through out and have had zero problems. I did not use Cranberry extract or any of that othyer shit either. I drink 2 gallons of lemon water a day... you will be fine.

TestProp, Tren and Winny is an awesome cycle.... you are going to love it.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

It's not so much a matter of the sides being harse(which can be quite bad),but the point is,if you use it as a beginner,and then further down the line you don't get the same effects from the steroids anymore,you can switch to a stronger steroid(such as tren),and you can start getting the gains that you were getting from the other steroids,but if you use tren straight away,what are you going to switch to then,to keep making gains??

 

[riverrock]

My advice is not to worry at all about the water retention. Eat loads, eat clean, train hard and remind yourself that they water is temporary. There is a big muscular mofo waiting to break out a few weeks after, so just accept the water as temporary and look at the bigger picture

 

[tahoe2003]

My advice is not to worry at all about the water retention. Eat loads, eat clean, train hard and remind yourself that they water is temporary. There is a big muscular mofo waiting to break out a few weeks after, so just accept the water as temporary and look at the bigger picture

Could not of said it better myself good advice.

 

[ali_jid]

try adding proviron at 25mg a day and that will keep almost all the water off whilst ur on cycle mate and produce some real gud lean gains

ps as above, eat and train right and drink plenty of water


ali

 

[soflaguy]

Not sure what your budget is, but something like 500mg test/week and var 30-40mg ed would yield good solid gains with little water-retention.

Tren has a lot of side effects and the joint-pain of using Winstrol over an extended period is very real. Most people would say Tren/Test Prop/Winny is the best cutter, but unless you are competing there are too many side effects to deal with for a second cycle.