Le Pen vote shocks Europe

[Prometheus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1942000/1942929.stm

Monday, 22 April, 2002, 15:04 GMT 16:04 UK
Le Pen vote shocks Europe

There has been condemnation across Europe

Senior European politicians have expressed alarm at Jean-Marie Le Pen's strong showing in the French presidential election while it was welcomed by fellow leaders of the far right.
Mr Le Pen won enough votes to take on Jacques Chirac in the run-off in two weeks' time.

[The result] throws a great dirty rock into the European political pool

"I hope that all democratic powers will unite against right-wing extremism and xenophobia," said Sweden's Social Democrat Prime Minister, Goran Persson.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said that the share of the vote obtained by France's far right was "alarming".

But he stressed that the run-off election on 5 May was the main issue.

Poland's Social Democrat Prime Minister, Leszek Miller, said that Mr Le Pen's success posed a threat to the European Union.

"The slogan of Le Pen's campaign was 'First France and the French'," he told Reuters.

"Le Pen did nothing to hide his scepticism towards an open Europe, a tolerant Europe, and in his rhetoric he constantly underlined his hatred of foreigners."

In Britain politicians united to express what European Commissioner Neil Kinnock called their "shock and horror" at the result.

Mr Kinnock said the level of support expressed for the extreme right-winger threw "a great dirty rock into the European political pool".

Rise of the right

Mr Le Pen's shock defeat of the Socialist candidate, Lionel Jospin, follows a series of far-right election successes beginning in Austria two years ago and continuing through Italy, Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark.

It's not surprising that French voters are moving to a far-right party - they have the same problems of insecurity, of immigration and political corruption

There were expressions of support for Mr Le Pen among some of Europe's other far-right parties which have been on the rise.

"I'm very, very pleased that Le Pen scored such a large victory", said Filip Dewinter, leader of the Vlaams Blok in Belgium.

"It's not surprising that French voters are moving to a far-right party. They have the same problems of insecurity, of immigration and political corruption..."

In Austria, where sanctions were imposed in 2000 after Joerg Haider's Freedom Party entered a coalition government, a spokesman called the vote a "slap in the face for the inventors and initiators of the EU sanctions against the Austrian Government".

But in Italy the National Alliance, which is part of the government, played down Mr Le Pen's share of the vote.

"Le Pen collected protest votes but he is not an alternative," said Maurizio Gasparri, the communications minister and a member of the party which can trace its roots back to Mussolini's Fascist party.

 

[Prometheus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,689125,00.html


'We are afraid. France is finished'

Across the Arab and Jewish communities, the first round result is seen as deeply disturbing

Tuesday April 23, 2002
The Guardian

On the wrong side of the Boulevard Peripherique, the grimy ring road around Paris, Arabs of all ages are deeply disturbed by the massive turnout for Jean-Marie Le Pen.
In Porte de Clignancourt, north Paris, a no man's land between the middle classes and the dark suburbs, Hamid, 40, from Algeria, said the election shows that "people are like sheep".

Hatem, a 21-year-old of Tunisian descent, said his father told him after the election results: "I am afraid for your generation."

Farida and her friend Rachida, two French-Algerians from Villeneuve-Saint-Georges on the outskirts of Paris, were fired up with determination.

Rachida, 20, was outraged by the first-round result. "To all the French neighbours who say 'bonjour' to us like hypocrites, I would like to say that the result is totally abusive. We have to mobilise, we have to regroup."

Farida, 19, said: "I'm going to tell everyone to vote in the second round and to vote for Chirac."

She added: "I'm going to vote for Chirac."

Hassan, 34, an Algerian who lives in the Paris dormitory town of Argenteuil, said his friends now regretted voting for the minor leftwing parties, splitting the vote for Lionel Jospin.

"They didn't expect Le Pen to get through on the first round. But they'll vote in the second round to make sure he falls flat on his face," he said.

Kadr, 40, also Algerian, said Le Pen played the trump card - fear. People were also fed up with the left and right, who had become mired in the middle ground of "cohabitation".

The fear is not confined to the Arab community. Franck, a Jew whose brother-in-law voted for Le Pen, said: "Around us, there is a lot of fear. We are taking precautions. I'm ready to pack my bags and leave."

Franck, 54, and Tunisian-born, said: "This is an atom bomb. The people who voted for Le Pen didn't know what they were doing.

"For the past two months, Jewish people have been leaving. There are queues outside Jewish travel agencies. We are very afraid. France is finished."

 

[growin']

Well, if French politicians are anything like US politicians, there won't be any drastic changes anyways. This could be interesting though.

Quick to surrender, quick to judge, isn't it time we start hating the French again? -SNL April, 2002

 

[Aryan_Soldat]

Vive La France!

Its interesting to me, how the EU, condemns the electorate of different countries when they actually elect leaders that represent PEOPLE rather than monied interests. Maybe now, the EU globocrats will listen to Europeans when they voice their dissatisfaction with Europe's disasterous immigration policies.

The Aryan Soldat

 

[3Vandoo]

Vive La France!

Its interesting to me, how the EU, condemns the electorate of different countries when they actually elect leaders that represent PEOPLE rather than monied interests. Maybe now, the EU globocrats will listen to Europeans when they voice their dissatisfaction with Europe's disasterous immigration policies.

The Aryan Soldat

I AGREE!!!!!!!!

It show some people HAVE enought!!!!!!!!

 

[danielson]

he ants to repatriate all immigrants (i.e. send them back home)

i wonder what this means for those who already have citizenship





the only reason he got in is because people didnt get off their asses to vote in the first place, and all the extreme right wingers seized the opportuinty to get a candidate in no-one wanted

now everyone will vote, and chirac will get elected. but they arenow stuck with a right wing governmetn due to voter apathy. the same thing could EASILY happen here

 

[growin']

What is the name of that "group" he belongs to? It has political backing in a bunch of different European countries, including England. Does he actually stand for removal of immigrants, or just restricting those that come in? Also, one would think, that if any were removed, they would not be the residents, but the illegals (if there are illegals in France)

This seems to be a huge swing from extreme left to right as far as the country's views go.

 

[growin']

Also, it would be interesting to see the demographic of the protestors. Are the jews and muslims primarily, immigrants, or residents? Are the only people complaining the one's that could get exported, or are they also the blue-blood French as well?

 

[tordön]

He hasn't won anything yet butr it does look like the rise of another Nazi-like moron preying on people's fear of the future. This time in France. What next, Nazi's in Jerusalem...? oh wait, we already have that.....

 

[danielson]

the national front. a group with the same name exists in the UK but no idea if its the same one





he;s said that every single crime etc is attributable to immigranmts. never mentioned illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants are already turfed out if their application fails. he's saying dot give them the opportunity to stay. no idea about whther immigrants granted citizenship will stay though




countries gone real far right though

 

[3Vandoo]

Actually guys you should be in France,

95% of crimes are committed in surburn where 95% of the immigrants live.
Also all major network of organized crime like in Marseille are Arabs.

second: They have enought of muslim
and three: their program can be summerized like this.

You dont want to act as a french, think like a french, respect our law, customs, tradition, religion and language then GET THE FUCK OFF.
Also therer 5millions unemployed people in France, and I will not tell you how much immigrant composed that group. it simple in couple of Word FRANCE FOR THE FRENCH.

the NF as people of color, and other religion and ethnicity.

Ok some statements by LePen were quite stupid but you have to live some of the situatuon and you might understand better.


Thank you very much and LePen for President. (that is a sarcarstic joke )

 

[3Vandoo]

Hey Danielson right now in the UK there more Indian and Paki that there Anglo Saxon in some cities!

 

[danielson]

Hey Danielson right now in the UK there more Indian and Paki that there Anglo Saxon in some cities!

yes i suppose there are. i should probably go apologise to my anglo-saxon frineds. i am hindu in case you were wondering

the big problem immigrant wise in terms of crime in this country is

-russian mafia
-eastern europeans
-bangladeshi's
-yardies
-triads
(not in that order....i hope i got everyone )



of course not every one of the immigrants is like this. i know/have known many eastern europeans and have found EVERY one of them to be perfectly well behaved (when sober). of course not all of them were criminals.

long story short criminals are always looking for new pastures. not all immigrants should be labelled on the basis of a few. so to turf out every black guy because a significant number of them commit crime is ludicrous. but to increase police stop and searches of them, within reasonable bounds (i.e. no rodney ling shit) is acceptable

 

[smallmovesal]

i wonder how it feels to have an anti-semite for a president

 

[danielson]

i wonder how it feels to have an anti-semite for a president

ask the austrians

 

[Prometheus]

ask the austrians

Can you cite any evidence to prove that?

 

[3Vandoo]

yes i suppose there are. i should probably go apologise to my anglo-saxon frineds. i am hindu in case you were wondering

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS me bad, just your scot name is confusing

 

[manny78]

Actually guys you should be in France,

95% of crimes are committed in surburn where 95% of the immigrants live.
Also all major network of organized crime like in Marseille are Arabs.

second: They have enought of muslim
and three: their program can be summerized like this.

You dont want to act as a french, think like a french, respect our law, customs, tradition, religion and language then GET THE FUCK OFF.
Also therer 5millions unemployed people in France, and I will not tell you how much immigrant composed that group. it simple in couple of Word FRANCE FOR THE FRENCH.

the NF as people of color, and other religion and ethnicity.

Ok some statements by LePen were quite stupid but you have to live some of the situatuon and you might understand better.


Thank you very much and LePen for President. (that is a sarcarstic joke )

Agree, but no one will ever admit that. It's not politically correct. Also why would all these people complain ? It's democracy no ? If it wasn't for all those lazy socialist asses jerking off at home Le Pen wouldnt be there. If you like democracy then you must live with both its good and bad sides.

 

[danielson]

Can you cite any evidence to prove that?

no, just that he questions events on the holocaust and downplays their scale (the austrans elected a extreme right winger btw)


no worries 3Vandoo (its from karate kid btw, im not sure scots are anglo saxon lovers either )

 

[Prometheus]

no, just that he questions events on the holocaust and downplays their scale (the austrans elected a extreme right winger btw)

(not flaming, and not taking any sides on this, btw - just trying to get at the truth)

you said the Austrians should be asked about what it was like to have an "anti-semite" president - I don't remember reading or hearing anything to that effect whatsoever. That is an extremely serious allegation, just wanted to know if there was anything to substantiate it.

As I remember it, the mainstream media went apoplectic after the Austrian vote and forced the EU to threaten sanctions and to commission something like a "task force" to investigate the situation -- with much less fanfare than they had begun with, the task force apparently found nothing amiss, and recinded the sanction threats. If I am wrong please correct me.

 

[danielson]

(not flaming, and not taking any sides on this, btw - just trying to get at the truth)

you said the Austrians should be asked about what it was like to have an "anti-semite" president - I don't remember reading or hearing anything to that effect whatsoever. That is an extremely serious allegation, just wanted to know if there was anything to substantiate it.

As I remember it, the mainstream media went apoplectic after the Austrian vote and forced the EU to threaten sanctions and to commission something like a "task force" to investigate the situation -- with much less fanfare than they had begun with, the task force apparently found nothing amiss, and recinded the sanction threats. If I am wrong please correct me.

ahh

well, i never knew the actually sent a task force in. all i do know is a president/PM was elected in austria and he had questionable views on the holocaust. thats all. my comment was in jest. maybe i should have incuded a smilie

 

[3Vandoo]

LOOK Austria voted a former Nazi officer as head of state, he was former secretary general
and he doesnt remember his past

 

[manny78]

ahh

well, i never knew the actually sent a task force in. all i do know is a president/PM was elected in austria and he had questionable views on the holocaust. thats all. my comment was in jest. maybe i should have incuded a smilie

yes but once again, it's democracy no ?

 

[danielson]

yes but once again, it's democracy no ?

true, and i dont knock them for it, if people are stupid enough to force extremists in, they have to live with the consequences for 4-5 years. i just wouldnt wanna live in that country if it discriminated against minorities living in the country. illegal immigrants are another thing

in most of the recent cases though, extremists are voted in due to people not bothering to vote, and a greater proportion of extremists being represented as a result.

they ultimately will pay the price. if they make the life in whatever country intolerable for immigrants, the country will eventually begin to crumble.

this country's health system for instance couldnt survive without immigrants. no way in hell. patients would be dying and they wouldnt know what to do with the bodies

cheap labour/manual jobs- again done frequently by immigrants. without them, the jobs dont get done in such higher numbers.

 

[manny78]

true, and i dont knock them for it, if people are stupid enough to force extremists in, they have to live with the consequences for 4-5 years. i just wouldnt wanna live in that country if it discriminated against minorities living in the country. illegal immigrants are another thing

in most of the recent cases though, extremists are voted in due to people not bothering to vote, and a greater proportion of extremists being represented as a result.

they ultimately will pay the price. if they make the life in whatever country intolerable for immigrants, the country will eventually begin to crumble.

this country's health system for instance couldnt survive without immigrants. no way in hell. patients would be dying and they wouldnt know what to do with the bodies

cheap labour/manual jobs- again done frequently by immigrants. without them, the jobs dont get done in such higher numbers.

That's fact. Thats why I can't respect people who dont vote but like to complain on anything. But it isn't the only reason why Le Pen got so many votes. Usually extremists are popular whenever the economy is going down. They will brainwash citizens and put the blame on immigrants. If french people are too dumb to see the roots of their problem, then screw them.....

 

[danielson]

That's fact. Thats why I can't respect people who dont vote but like to complain on anything. But it isn't the only reason why Le Pen got so many votes. Usually extremists are popular whenever the economy is going down. They will brainwash citizens and put the blame on immigrants. If french people are too dumb to see the roots of their problem, then screw them.....

true....look at hitlers rise

never understood why people dont vote and complain why the government is screwing them for taxes etc.

of course its pretty funny to see france now.....anyone who isnt extreme right is voting for chirac, which means socialists are going to have to vote for a right wing man with a questionable past to prevent a far right man from gaining power

 

[Aryan_Soldat]

Why is it that anybody who disagrees with the policies imposed upon sovreign states by "Davos elites" and supranational institutions is an extremist? It is very telling that Pres. Chirac refuses to debate Le Pen. He is a coward, and is representative of the ruling class of Europe. These people feel that the body politic should accept their policies, without question, and that they should be immune to criticism and not be forced to defend their positions.
If Chirac and the French establishment is so dogmatic in their belief that the elimination of French sovreignty and mass immigtration are sound policies, why are they terrified by the prospect of debating a dissenter? The answer is that they have no ground to stand on, and they feel that they should not be held accountable to the people.

About "anti-semitism":
I am more than a little sick of global opinion cutting in favor of "jewish worship". Why is it that if a man takes issue with the fact that a tiny minority of people, who tend to be clannish and bigoted, have a stranglehold over the policies of Western nations, he is automatically an "anti-semite". I suppose that this makes sense to the global elite, as they consider Jews to be the greatest, holiest, people who are superior to all others. Jews do a lot of rotten things. I am not afraid to acknowledge that Jewish influence in government is a serious problem. If that makes me "extreme", so be it.

Also:
Jeorg Haider is not a Nazi. The fact is that anybody who does not constantly apologize for the killing of Jews during WWII is branded an "anti-semite". You see, liberals think that the Judeocide in WWII was the most catastrophic event in world history, because they consider Jews to be the "masters of the universe". The mass murder of any other people absolutely pales in comparison to the killing of the holy Jews. Hence, the term "Holocaust".(i.e. destruction by fire, end of the world).

The Davos elite are going down.

The Aryan Soldat

 

[Aryan_Soldat]

Fact:
Many Jews voted for Le Pen, based upon the following:
-in recent months, attacks upon Jews by muslim "immigrants" have skyrocketed.

Fact:
Mass immigration drives down wages, places a huge drain on social services, causes crime rates to skyrocket, and disposseses the working class.

Fact:
North African muslim immigrants refuse to assimilate to French culture, speak French language, respect French laws as paramount over Muslim law.

Fact:
Mass immigration is not feasable under a Republican system of government. Mass immigration = ethnic voting blocs = ethnic politics = disposessed majority.

Fact:
Europe's population is literally dying. Not a single European country, save Muslim Albania, has a replacement birth rate. Mass Immigration + dying native population = Islamic Republic of France.

Fact:
Third World refugees do not share white liberal's "peace love and dope" view of the world. They want what YOU have. They want YOUR country, YOUR wealth, and to destroy YOUR way of life. Its a zero sum game folks, which side are you on?

The Aryan Soldat