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next week, the Italian md who worked with Lance Armstrong and other cyclists will be testifying on the issue of giving drugs to cyclists.
Lance Armstrong's md to testify...
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fhg43
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This could get ugly! Ferrari is Armstrong's advisor on various training issues. This alone is suspect as Armstrong has his own coach, Chris Carmichael. What does Ferrari have access to that Carmichael doesn't? Ferrari doesn't have much that can implicate Armstrong anyway. He has no documents that say "on X day Armstong was injected with X amount of X substance." He does have journals with info about some of Armstrong's former teammates and a few people have said they substituted the teammate's name for Lance! But that ex-teammate, Kevin Livingston, has said that he was client of Ferrari's and his name wasn't substitued for Armstrong. Livingston is now on the German Telekom team of Jan Ullrich-who is Armstrong's arch rival in the Tour!!
The plot thickens!!
They should call him Teflon Tex. They did all kinds of tests on him the past 3 seasons (Tour leaders are subject to daily controls) and all have comeback negative. It is well know that Armstrong religiously sleeps in an altitude chamber (which can have the same blood boosting effect as EPO). Ferrari can say Armstrong did X, but he'll have no evidence to back it up...and Armstrong will quite paying him a ridiculous amount of money for his advice!
Cycling is all about power-weight ratio. Armstrong was 170 before cancer. Now you have to understand Armstrong is and was a incredibly driven genetic aerobic freak of nature with a huge VOMax. Before cancer he was bad ass, but wasn't going to win the Tour-he was too heavy. He was a swimmer/triathlete as a kid and had a big upper body (for a cyclist). Chemo and cancer trimmed off 20 lbs and he regained his aerobic conditioning, but since he was lighter he could climb the high mountains much faster. He got crazy with his diet as well (he weighs his food and calculates calories fat carbs protein etc. to the T and he never takes in more than he expends) and did really well in 1998 Worlds and Tour of Spain (similar in length to Tour of France). Voila - Over the 98/99 winter his new manager convinced him he could win the Tour and so he focused everything on that. There's plenty of stuff pointing to his success.
But here's the word straight from Europe: everybody does stuff. Its like an arms race-if one of the top guys takes one thing all the other guys try it. So it's not like anyone ever has the advantage. I've raced for awhile and know a few guys who race for various teams in Europe. Last time I was home I met a few guys to go ridin and we discussed the issue. Pretty crazy.
But what is doping? Cycling is a tightly controlled sport. Guys have gotten 6 month suspensions and stripped of national titles for taking Sudafed. Prohormones are classed with AS and the punishment for taking them is the same-6 month suspension (it doesn't matter to them if it is anavar or AST Andro 250!). It is a ridiculously hard sport sometimes and riders need AS and EPO to recover. In the 2000 Tour there was a stage that took the winner 7 hrs and the stragglers 8hrs and they covered 7 mountain passes-FUCK! These guys don't do this for fun, they do it for the almighty Euro. Hell they don't go to college over there. You either make 60K a year for a few years (if you're lucky) as a cyclist or you work for an eternity in a truck factory and scrape by. Hell I'd do all the performance enhancing drug I could to keep racing and winning if those were my choices!
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The plot thickens!!
They should call him Teflon Tex. They did all kinds of tests on him the past 3 seasons (Tour leaders are subject to daily controls) and all have comeback negative. It is well know that Armstrong religiously sleeps in an altitude chamber (which can have the same blood boosting effect as EPO). Ferrari can say Armstrong did X, but he'll have no evidence to back it up...and Armstrong will quite paying him a ridiculous amount of money for his advice!
Cycling is all about power-weight ratio. Armstrong was 170 before cancer. Now you have to understand Armstrong is and was a incredibly driven genetic aerobic freak of nature with a huge VOMax. Before cancer he was bad ass, but wasn't going to win the Tour-he was too heavy. He was a swimmer/triathlete as a kid and had a big upper body (for a cyclist). Chemo and cancer trimmed off 20 lbs and he regained his aerobic conditioning, but since he was lighter he could climb the high mountains much faster. He got crazy with his diet as well (he weighs his food and calculates calories fat carbs protein etc. to the T and he never takes in more than he expends) and did really well in 1998 Worlds and Tour of Spain (similar in length to Tour of France). Voila - Over the 98/99 winter his new manager convinced him he could win the Tour and so he focused everything on that. There's plenty of stuff pointing to his success.
But here's the word straight from Europe: everybody does stuff. Its like an arms race-if one of the top guys takes one thing all the other guys try it. So it's not like anyone ever has the advantage. I've raced for awhile and know a few guys who race for various teams in Europe. Last time I was home I met a few guys to go ridin and we discussed the issue. Pretty crazy.
But what is doping? Cycling is a tightly controlled sport. Guys have gotten 6 month suspensions and stripped of national titles for taking Sudafed. Prohormones are classed with AS and the punishment for taking them is the same-6 month suspension (it doesn't matter to them if it is anavar or AST Andro 250!). It is a ridiculously hard sport sometimes and riders need AS and EPO to recover. In the 2000 Tour there was a stage that took the winner 7 hrs and the stragglers 8hrs and they covered 7 mountain passes-FUCK! These guys don't do this for fun, they do it for the almighty Euro. Hell they don't go to college over there. You either make 60K a year for a few years (if you're lucky) as a cyclist or you work for an eternity in a truck factory and scrape by. Hell I'd do all the performance enhancing drug I could to keep racing and winning if those were my choices!
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gotmilk
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This guy's testemony will not affect Lance. Ferrari was involved with the EPO scandel a couple of years back. However, he knows a lot about the uptake of oxygen in the body and Lance used his knowledge to figure out some high altitude training techniques. Thats' why Lance kicks ass in the mountains.
If Ferrari is made to look like an ass, Lance will drop him in a heartbeat.
Throw in Lance's pedal speed and the 20 pounds he lost from cancer...he too quick for everyone.
Sadly, the Tour de France was changed for next year. The mountain stages are at the end and the climbers are going to have to make up too much time.
If Ferrari is made to look like an ass, Lance will drop him in a heartbeat.
Throw in Lance's pedal speed and the 20 pounds he lost from cancer...he too quick for everyone.
Sadly, the Tour de France was changed for next year. The mountain stages are at the end and the climbers are going to have to make up too much time.
fhg43
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That's the truth skinnyfat.
All those guys have to do something and Armstrong's work ethic and determination are superior to all others.
When I was still doing the fulltime racing scene I got a few chances to race against him. He did some small US races in WI prior to the 96 Olympics (after he'd quit the Tour w/a cold, but before he knew it was cancer) and he was incredibly strong. I know he won one of the races. I got another chance to race against him in 99 after cancer in his hometown race and he was even faster, but just got beat in the end. Later that year he won the Tour for the first time and damn it was cool to be able to say I raced against him!!
One thing that stood out those few times was his motivation-not only did he want to win those little races he wanted to destroy us. We were riders who would never be a threat to him yet he would throw down the gauntlet anyway.
FHG
All those guys have to do something and Armstrong's work ethic and determination are superior to all others.
When I was still doing the fulltime racing scene I got a few chances to race against him. He did some small US races in WI prior to the 96 Olympics (after he'd quit the Tour w/a cold, but before he knew it was cancer) and he was incredibly strong. I know he won one of the races. I got another chance to race against him in 99 after cancer in his hometown race and he was even faster, but just got beat in the end. Later that year he won the Tour for the first time and damn it was cool to be able to say I raced against him!!
One thing that stood out those few times was his motivation-not only did he want to win those little races he wanted to destroy us. We were riders who would never be a threat to him yet he would throw down the gauntlet anyway.
FHG
