Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Would you guys recommend deca for any ladies? there is a friend of mine at the gym who was asking and i thought it would be better to use var, primo, or maybe even winny.... i've never heard of any females using deca, btw she doesn't compete just wants to do it for vanity sake i guess, any help is appreciated
Ladies and Deca
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Mr.X
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no, no way, I suggest you stick to LOW-dose Anavar, 2.5mgs per day (yes I'm conservative)
marshallmadman
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Actually, if she has to do it, I would recommend NPP/Durabolin. It's in and out of the system much quicker, and if she experiences negative sides, it will be easier to control.
Anthony Starks
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poantrex said:
I agree 100%. Especially deca, which is more of a bulking roid. The .01% of guys that are into muscular girls are just still in the closet gays anyway. Just tell her to get on a diet.
Deca tends to be too androgenic for women (the anavar comparison is poor). On top of that, the long acting ester makes it impossible to stop quickly should undesirable sides appear. More than a few women have had this happen to them and that's why a lot avoid it. IMO and that of a lot of others, this is not a good choice for females especially someone recreational.
Mythicalbeing
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Bro alot of info on doses and compounds used by women, in the womens forum here on elite. My wife is currently running boldenone, and winny. With excellent results. But do your homework...
Madcow2 said:
Yep.
Deca is a BAD choice for females. There is NO comparison to Var. You CANNOT compare a long estrer with a short one.
This is such a piss-poor idea, I can't even think straight. For God's sake, if this is for vanity, DECA is going to destroy her. This is a train wreak.
You MUST carefully read these thread and have HER read them:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302279
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122854
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*MissFit*
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I have used anvar.. fantastic results 10mg a day. And no side effects.. i still look like a woman
Again...tell Her To Stay The Fuck Away From All Steroids. All Steroids Are Androgenic To Some Extent And Will Not Help For Vanity Purposes.....
Most Of The Time Unless A Girl Uses Something Like Test, The Changes Are Subtle, But There Are Changes Nonetheless Happening...like Broader Shoulders, Widening Of The Jaw, Widening Of The Chin, LARGER NOSE, BROADER FOREHEAD, Broadening Of Facial Muscles/features...all Of Which Are Masculine Traits And Dont' Belong On A Damn Woman! The facial features will slowly take a turn for the worse, females are supposed to have a certain facial structure (small jaw/ narrow chin, small nose, etc) and steroids will slowly fuck that up... The changes are usually so slow, that one will not notice it when she looks in the mirror. But people that haven't seen them in a long time will notice.
OTHER THAN A FEW SELECT BODYBUILDERS, I CANT THINK OF ANY NORMAL GUY THAT LIKES A MUSCULAR WOMEN....PERSONALLY I AND MOST GUYS FIND IT EXTREMELY DISGUSTING. Even women that use mild compounds in very small amounts, I have seen changes in facial features that has made them less attractive....
Most Of The Time Unless A Girl Uses Something Like Test, The Changes Are Subtle, But There Are Changes Nonetheless Happening...like Broader Shoulders, Widening Of The Jaw, Widening Of The Chin, LARGER NOSE, BROADER FOREHEAD, Broadening Of Facial Muscles/features...all Of Which Are Masculine Traits And Dont' Belong On A Damn Woman! The facial features will slowly take a turn for the worse, females are supposed to have a certain facial structure (small jaw/ narrow chin, small nose, etc) and steroids will slowly fuck that up... The changes are usually so slow, that one will not notice it when she looks in the mirror. But people that haven't seen them in a long time will notice.
OTHER THAN A FEW SELECT BODYBUILDERS, I CANT THINK OF ANY NORMAL GUY THAT LIKES A MUSCULAR WOMEN....PERSONALLY I AND MOST GUYS FIND IT EXTREMELY DISGUSTING. Even women that use mild compounds in very small amounts, I have seen changes in facial features that has made them less attractive....
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majutsu
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Wend took deca 50/wk. She may post up her own thoughts, but although she experienced no androgenization at all, she did not like the blocky look, the water retention, and the intramuscular fat retention. It sort of makes women look like a buffalo.
I would advise nothing really. But if she insists, anavar is a much better choice.
I would advise nothing really. But if she insists, anavar is a much better choice.
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mikey007
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Why do some of you guys insist on posting your non wanted piss poor negative comments? I believe the man never ask about your personal opions on the type of girls he dates, he ask about Deca for female use thats it. Sometimes the immaturity of these post just makes me want to stay away. I think next George should put a minimum age limit on the board.
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mikey007
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Again I dont remember anyone asking that question. Looks like your just trying to stand on your soap box. And your unfounded negative comments dont hurt my feelings it just hurts the overall quality of the boards.
poantrex said:
It is not about feelings. In YOUR opinion steroids do nothing positive. Even if others agree with you, it is still a personal preference.
Men AND women need to evaluate what they are willing to do for vanity. Doing steroids are all about what works for YOU and YOUR PERSONAL goals. Steroids have negative sides in BOTH genders.
Do you think many WOMEN find excess body acne, gyno, water bloat, and post-cycle libido and emotional issues very attractive? I think not. These are some of the sides men COULD get.
Not all women get the sides you listed. YES, they are a very possible thing. But they are NOT set in stone. Some women do several cycles of various compounds and have NONE of the issues you list. NONE. I repeat, ZERO, ZIP, NADA, ZILCH, NONE.
As for the initial post, I do NOT think AAS is a good choice for her. I think it is is stupid, irresponsible, immature thing to do. This girl is CLEARLY not ready to do AAS. She will most definately harm her health and her body by haphazardly doing something she clearly knows NOTHING about.
Is it simply because she is female? NO. It is because she is uninformed, impulsive, lazy, and immature.
majutsu said:
Maj,
Wend's opinion would be very beneficial here. I can spout what I know all day long, but I have never taken Deca (and never would). I would help to have a real-life experience.
wend
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Daisy, I tried to give you karma for your excellent post above, but apparently I've got to spread it around before I can.
I tried deca because my old, track-abused joints could benefit from the lubrication, and they did. Unfortunately, it also caused me to develop a really chunky look that I didn't find at all attractive. I also had more trouble with acne than I normally experience, though nothing out-of-hand. (It was fun, though, being able to bench more than some of those silly college boys with their caps on backwards.) The worst thing, though, was the paranoia regarding androgenization. Every little tickle in my throat...well, you know. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth the trouble, and now I just lift lighter and accept my limitations. Yoga and a joint supplement are doing wonders, too.
Of course, you know that I think AAS and other chemicals are a silly risk for vanity. Competitors are different. Pilots and flight attendants risk a higher cancer rate for their jobs. Doctors and nurses risk exposure to disease. Competitors hoping to go pro I class in that category (or fitness models, etc., who make money with their appearance); chicks who just want to fit into a size six pair of jeans without working hard & practicing discipline with their diets...that's just stupid.
I tried deca because my old, track-abused joints could benefit from the lubrication, and they did. Unfortunately, it also caused me to develop a really chunky look that I didn't find at all attractive. I also had more trouble with acne than I normally experience, though nothing out-of-hand. (It was fun, though, being able to bench more than some of those silly college boys with their caps on backwards.) The worst thing, though, was the paranoia regarding androgenization. Every little tickle in my throat...well, you know. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth the trouble, and now I just lift lighter and accept my limitations. Yoga and a joint supplement are doing wonders, too.
Of course, you know that I think AAS and other chemicals are a silly risk for vanity. Competitors are different. Pilots and flight attendants risk a higher cancer rate for their jobs. Doctors and nurses risk exposure to disease. Competitors hoping to go pro I class in that category (or fitness models, etc., who make money with their appearance); chicks who just want to fit into a size six pair of jeans without working hard & practicing discipline with their diets...that's just stupid.
wutangnomo
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poantrex said:
I pretty much agree with this.
Unless your friend is looking to COMPETE, she should not be doing steroids because women and steroids don't mix. Even a low dose anavar can cause some degree of masculinization. If her only reason is for vanities sake she is best cleaning up her diet and getting on some legal supps like thermorexin, etc.
Of all the women I have known to take steroids not a single one of them did not succumb to some degree of masculinization. It is very obvious ESPECIALLY in the facial structure. Even the slightest changes make it extremely obvious on a woman.
I'll be honest and tell you that many of the women who have posted pics on this board that juiced you could tell they experienced some form of masculinization. I won't name names but it was obvious they experienced some side effects.
Outtlaw
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poantrex said:
Speek for yourself bro, but you dont speak for me. And quite frankly I find it a little insulting when you try to generalize all the men on this board as to what we find attractive. Just because you are repulsed by a girl with a little muscle and feel that girls should "stay the fuck away from AAS" and that "steroids do nothing positive for women" doesnt mean that every guy feels the same way.
Different strokes for different folks.
Advice: Make your point but try to be conscious about stepping on other people while doing it. This is an anabolic board and there are men and women, if you are unwilling to take a moment to make your post palatable so that it doesn't drastically offend a fairly large and obvious constituency (especially given the nature of this thread) it's best not to post it.
Advice: Make your point but try to be conscious about stepping on other people while doing it. This is an anabolic board and there are men and women, if you are unwilling to take a moment to make your post palatable so that it doesn't drastically offend a fairly large and obvious constituency (especially given the nature of this thread) it's best not to post it.
wutangnomo said:
That is a VERY tough statement to make unless you had seen a pic of the female BEFORE any AAS was taken.
It is easy to look a pic of someone you KNOW used AAS and say, "yeah, I can tell".
Additionally, most females take AAS to get even leaner. They are probably already low BF. Low BF, especially on a woman, can make her look harsh - with or without AAS. A low level of BF will make her face angular and masculine - simply because there is little BF.
Well thanks again for all opinions, I know that she shouldn't do any AAS especially with her reasoning, but like i stated earlier she is going to do it no matter what, so I am simply trying to allow her to do it in the safest and most benificial way possible. so thanks again to all of you, hopefully after this she will realize what would be best.
You CAN, many times, tell when a female that lifts has used AAS. Again - its usually all in the facial structure. It just doesn't look "right.". The jaw, chin and forehead are wider than they are "supposed" to be. I disagree that it has much to do with leanness, its more to do with facial musculature.
wutangnomo said:
Thank you, and whats sad (and i'm not referring to anyone in particular on this board) is that they don't even realize it. The changes happen so gradually, when they see themselves in the mirror they think they look the same...but to outsiders that haven't seen them in a long time, the changes in facial structure can be seen.
Oh, and the guys that think muscular women are attractive...different strokes for different folks. But I assure you thats not what the majority of men find attractive.
Anthony Starks
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mikey007 said:
Actually Mikey, he asked for opinions if this girl should take steriods, and thats exactly what he got. Is it a negative comment to suggest that taking Deca would be a bad idea, and then list some very real reasons why the user feels that way? If so, what the hell do you think is the point of the DISCUSSION boards?!?
renton405
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I find women with a little muscle, espesially outer thigh sweep and glutes VERY sexy and attractive...as well as very defined calfs..Gymnastic womens bodys is very attractive....Stick legs on a woman is very unattractive, when a woman is too thin it really takes away from her curves...I think daisys pics in her gallery are the perfect example of what I like a womans legs and butt(espesially!) to look like, lol 
Outtlaw
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Anthony Starks said:
It’s not negative for him to suggest that deca might be a bad choice for women, but when you say something like women have no business using AAS, or it does nothing positive for them, and that no normal guy could find a woman with muscle to be attractive… then yes, I consider that to be a negative comment AND an insult to me by trying to stereotype me into his ridiculous notion as to what every guy thinks.
Anthony Starks
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Outtlaw said:
I think he is right that in general guys want a woman that looks feminine and not the bulked up look that women often get by putting male hormones into their bodies. Are there men that find that attractive? Sure, there are, just like there are men that find fat women attractive. But it is good advice that if a lady is trying to attract men IN GENERAL, using deca is not a good idea. Certainly from a health standpoint it is not either, but no one seems to be all that concerned about this lady's health.
Outtlaw
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Anthony Starks said:
Do you listen to some of the things you’re saying bro?! “if a lady is trying to attract men IN GENERAL, using deca is not a good idea.” How can you possibly relate deca to attracting men?? The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Just because a girl might use a small amount of deca (or anything else for that matter) doesn’t mean she’s gonna turn into Ms. Olympia. Just so you know, there are women who use very small amounts of deca that still look very feminine. People react differently to different types of gear. Winstrol may give some girls horrible sides, while others may get very little sides from it. And everybody that uses AAS will possibly have a health risk, not just the women who use deca. A male who injects something as mild as primo is gonna have risk, it doesn’t mean that people cant educate themselves to minimize those risk. We should be educating people, not making ignorant comments telling women not to take deca (or whatever else) because they wont be able to attract men.
Outtlaw said:
Just so you know, there are women who use very small amounts of deca that still look very feminine. People react differently to different types of gear. Winstrol may give some girls horrible sides, while others may get very little sides from it. And everybody that uses AAS will possibly have a health risk, not just the women who use deca. A male who injects something as mild as primo is gonna have risk, it doesn’t mean that people cant educate themselves to minimize those risk. We should be educating people, not making ignorant comments telling women not to take deca (or whatever else) because they wont be able to attract men.
They may not have side effects, but the effects on facial musculature happens quite a lot. Even in female NPC competetors that take very light doses, you can see it. The face has a ton of involuntary muscles and they are the first to hypertrophy when taking any type of AAS. Having masculine features on a female face is a big turn off, generally.
Even if this doesn't happen, why risk it...I mean....virilization can't be reversed, generally. Exogenous male hormones just don't belong in a female....I mean, its like a dude taking estrogen and progesterone hormones...it will surely have negative effects to an extent.
there are females out there who are using dbol, test and tren and you never could tell that they are using. its all a matter of dosage. its useless to compare compounds without miligrams. 2.5mg dbol will probably have less virilizing effects than 50mg anavar. the competitors are taking doses which would suit men. of course they look like men one day. females also have natural test, around 1/10th of that men make. if they limit their gear use to around 1/10th (or say 1/20th for starters) virilization is unlikely to occur. that means 25mg test enanthate per week or 20mg deca per week or 1.25mg dbol per day ... i know of women who a diluting tren to get doses like 10mg tren e3d, talk about a cheap ass cycle...
compound wise... winny is worse than deca; and fake anavar (which probably 90% of "anavar" or "primo" on the market is) is worse too.
compound wise... winny is worse than deca; and fake anavar (which probably 90% of "anavar" or "primo" on the market is) is worse too.
Anthony Starks
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Outtlaw said:Ok, I get your point. Women should stay the fuck away from all AAS, it does nothing positive for them. I disagree, but I get your point.
Ok, we get your point, you like buff chicks. No need to roll your eyes. I think most people who know anything about medicine would agree with your sarcastic remark that "Women should stay the fuck away from all AAS". There is no reason a woman can't get toned and in shape without AS.
In addition, ignoring the horrible masculining effects of AS, what would your advice be for a guy that comes on here saying he wants to tone up, no weight gain but just look good for his vanity. Deca?!?
Anthony Starks said:
WTF does "toned" mean?
There is no such thing. Muscle is muscle. Tone does not belong in the vocabulary of ANYONE serious about fitness.
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Anthony Starks
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Daisy_Girl said:WTF does "toned" mean?
There is no such thing. Muscle is muscle. Tone does not belong in the vocabulary of ANYONE serious about fitness.
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Are you seriously arguing semantics now? Obviously I was not suggesting that muscle is not muscle, nor do I believe you were confused by my post. I, like most people, use the word tone to indicate a level of fitness where there is a thin enough layer of fat on the body so that a person's muscle tone is evident. But seriously, who cares, this has nothing to do with the post.
Anthony Starks said:Are you seriously arguing semantics now? Obviously I was not suggesting that muscle is not muscle, nor do I believe you were confused by my post. I, like most people, use the word tone to indicate a level of fitness where there is a thin enough layer of fat on the body so that a person's muscle tone is evident. But seriously, who cares, this has nothing to do with the post.
You need to SERIOUSLY chill. I was just busting your balls. R-E-L-A-X
I would go lightly with the primo if she is going to venture. A good routine and proper diet and she will get great results. If you want to take a look at hardcore females and see what it does; go to www.pecpanther.com. Some guys like this - I would have some serious doubts about getting into bed with a women that looks like that - once you stick it in - you may not get it back - you know what I mean........
Outtlaw
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Where did I ever say that I liked buff chicks? What I said was that just because a girl has muscle doesn’t make her unattractive. I would find a muscular girl to be attractive just as I would find the thin model type, or typical playboy chick to be attractive.Anthony Starks said:
I never said a woman couldn’t get toned without drugs. I don’t know where you got that idea from. You’re entitled to your own opinion. You keep on preaching to all the girls around here to stay away from AAS, and I’ll keep on believing along with many others around here that AAS can in fact do positive things for women.Anthony Starks said:
I would advise that person to get on a good diet and workout routine. Since you obviously know so much more about all this stuff than I do, why don’t you explain your science about these subjects to us so we can all learn from you.Anthony Starks said:
Anthony Starks
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Outtlaw said:
Exactly. Thats what everyone has been saying - don't take Deca, just watch your diet and workout. Why are you even dragging this out?
Anthony Starks
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Outtlaw said:
Well, since in the original post she was looking at taking deca for vanity, I don't think it takes a big leap of the imagination that her goal is to look better for the opposite sex. Were you really so confused by that idea that you had to use two confused faces, three question marks, and an exclaimation point over the course of about three sentences? Imagine people trying to look better to get laid, that just blows your mind, huh?
Outtlaw
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That wasn’t what I was debating. You guys were trying to say that deca (and all aas for that matter) has absolutely no business being used by a woman. If you go back and read what I said in the beginning, you’ll see that I said unless a girl is really serious, they should stick to things like var and primo. I never advised her or anyone to take deca (or anything else).Anthony Starks said:
My mistake, I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were trying to say that no girl should use deca if she wants to be able to attract men. If you’re referring to this particular girl about wanting to use deca to make herself more attractive… then yes I totally agree with you, she is going about things the wrong way.Anthony Starks said:
Anthony Starks
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Outtlaw said:
You know what Outlaw, I think we might be arguing the same point.
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