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He takes fatal OD as Internet pals watch Chatroom vultures egged him to pop more Rx pills

By HELEN KENNEDY
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU


Brandon Vedas

"I told u I was hardcore."

Those were the last coherent words Brandon Vedas, 21, typed into the computer in his Phoenix bedroom as he showed off for Internet pals watching on a Web cam by swallowing more and more prescription drugs.


Vedas died online as a crowd of virtual onlookers egged him to "eat more!" A chilling record of the Jan. 12 chat reads like an Internet version of the notorious 1964 Kew Gardens, Queens, stabbing of Kitty Genovese as her neighbors watched from their windows.

In Vedas' case, some did try to help — begging him to stop, to call 911, to get his mother from the next room. After he passed out, some tried frantically to figure out his location while others argued against getting involved.

But the technology that brought as many as a dozen chatters into the intimacy of Vedas' bedroom was unable to tell them where he was. Internet Relay Chat is anonymous, and no one in the drug users' chat group knew the last name of the young man who called himself Ripper.

Vedas was a casualty of a new epidemic: a surge in the recreational use of pharmaceuticals, even as the rate of illegal drug use holds steady or declines. The most recent survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration says 11.1 million people used prescription drugs for fun in 2000, nearly half of whom were under 25.

In New York City, the number of people showing up in emergency rooms after taking too many legal narcotics jumped 47.6% from 2000 to 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

"In 2001, for the first time, we had more emergency room mentions of prescription narcotic analgesics nationally than for heroin," said Dr. Westley Clark, director of the administration's Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.

In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives.

By his own account, bragging in the hour before he died, Vedas ingested large doses of Klonopin, Methadone, Restoril and Inderal, along with marijuana and 151-proof rum. All but the pot and the rum apparently were legally prescribed for him by a doctor and a psychiatric nurse, according to his angry and mystified family.

"It's the ideal situation — it's legal and it's free," said Vedas' brother Rich. "And most people assume that if a doctor is giving you something, it must be fine."

Vedas, who worked in computer support at the University of Phoenix, knew a lot about the dangers of mixing drugs. But he also bragged delusionally about his "high tolerance." His mother knew he had been prescribed pills for depression — but no one in the family knew he was mixing his medicine for fun, his brother said.

On the night of Jan. 12, Vedas urged chat pals to log onto his Web site and watch him go through his stash. "Bottoms up, fellas!" he crowed.

"Don't OD on us, Ripper," said one of the onlookers watching Vedas swallow pill after pill.

"That's not much," said a teenager from rural Oklahoma who calls himself Smoke2K. "Eat more. I wanna see if you survive or if you just black out."

In the macho atmosphere of the druggie chat room, Vedas seemed to have something to prove. "This is usual weekend behavior. U all said I was lying," he said.

He said it was safe and noted, "My mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz."

As he took more and more, Vedas' typing became disjointed. His chat pals cheered him on.

"Ripper — you should try to pass out in front of the cam," suggested one gleeful voyeur.

Vedas even tried to protect himself against disaster.

"In fase anything goe wrong," he said, typing his cell phone number. "Call if I look dead."

Soon, he did.

Soon, he was.

"I am online with 911. Is this the right choice?" asked one chatter. "NO NO NO NO NO," said another. "I talked my way out of it," came the reply. "I didn't give them any info."

In the end, there was nothing they could do.

Vedas' cell phone was off or not loud enough to rouse anyone else in the house. They looked up his Web site registry, but he had listed his home number as 555-1234.

And the online chatters didn't know his real name or location.

His mother found him at 1 p.m. the next day sprawled on his bed. The tech whiz's computer had shut down and locked itself automatically, so it wasn't until more than a week later that the family found out his death had had witnesses.

"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

"These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world," he said. "They forget it's not just words on a screen."
 
I saw this on another board, wasn't sure if it was real since the link was straight to the conversation that night, people can and will continue to amaze me with their self-destructive personalities. He took an amazing amount of drugs imo, a bottle of pills along with other crap, one veiwer did have his cellphone # but it was useless. I'll see if I can find the link.
 
That kid was hardcore! Who gives a shit about that fucking loser. If a scumbag like that wants to kill himself by ODing on drugs then thats fine with me.
 
He lived right near here and I don't even think that shit even made the papers.

Fucking loser.

Kids will never learn, all think they're immortal. Look at it this way, at least there's no chance he'll pass his fucked-up genes on. Just chalk it up to Darwinian evolution.
 
what doctor gives a kid a prescription for medical marijuana? i thought you need to have aids or cancer to get that.
 
my bad.

however, i think methadone is far more dangerous for a doctor to prescribe than medical marijuana.

i thought they just give methadone to recovering heroin addicts...are there other purposes?
 
p0ink said:
my bad.

however, i think methadone is far more dangerous for a doctor to prescribe than medical marijuana.

i thought they just give methadone to recovering heroin addicts...are there other purposes?

I don't think methadone is that dangerous. the reason why I say so is because sadly I know two people who have taken it because they are both addicted to painkillers (mainly oxycontins). it pretty much stops withdrawl symptoms from heroin, oxy's, etc. fucked up shit.
 
The Nature Boy said:


I don't think methadone is that dangerous. the reason why I say so is because sadly I know two people who have taken it because they are both addicted to painkillers (mainly oxycontins). it pretty much stops withdrawl symptoms from heroin, oxy's, etc. fucked up shit.

As if there really is such a thing as "addiction."
 
The Nature Boy said:


I don't think methadone is that dangerous. the reason why I say so is because sadly I know two people who have taken it because they are both addicted to painkillers (mainly oxycontins). it pretty much stops withdrawl symptoms from heroin, oxy's, etc. fucked up shit.

Stops withdrawl symtoms? I though methodone was prescribed basically as a herione substitute that could be gradually used less and less until the addiction was beaten.
 
well you're right about having a choice, but trust me, addiction does exist. if you want proof take oxy's for 2 months then stop cold turkey and tell me if your body isnt' physically addicted.
 
The Nature Boy said:
well you're right about having a choice, but trust me, addiction does exist. if you want proof take oxy's for 2 months then stop cold turkey and tell me if your body isnt' physically addicted.

I could do that no problem.
 
Yup, addiction is a medical term used to describe a physical reliance on a substance so you go into cold turkey if you stop.

For instance, without coffee in the morning I feel fuzzy headed all day. That's an addiction.

However, I can choose not to drink coffee despite the unpleasant withdrawal. If I had an ulcer, for isntance, I would stop the coffee, withdrawal or no withdrawal.

Addiction does not make you powerless to say no. But it is a medical reality.

People who deliberately OD like that are not interested in recovering from their addictions because they hate themselves too much to care. They want to die. I feel sorry for the guy. I wish people didn't hate themsevles that much. Very few people are actually bad and evil enough to merit execution, whether by their own hand or someone else's.
 
gymtime said:


Stops withdrawl symtoms? I though methodone was prescribed basically as a herione substitute that could be gradually used less and less until the addiction was beaten.

you're right, is prescribed for that reason. but users don't get high from it like heroin, they just take it to prevent sypmtoms of withdrawl.
 
This may sound pretty assholish - but good riddance. Anyone stupid enough to do that would likely be a huge burden on his family and society later. At least now his mother can enjoy crosswordz instead of having to worry about her fucked up son - though I'm sure she had something to do with her son's behavior (as children of good parents tend to not be fuck-ups).

-Warik
 
Warik said:
This may sound pretty assholish - but good riddance. Anyone stupid enough to do that would likely be a huge burden on his family and society later. At least now his mother can enjoy crosswordz instead of having to worry about her fucked up son - though I'm sure she had something to do with her son's behavior (as children of good parents tend to not be fuck-ups).

-Warik

:lmao:

on a side note, anyone know the ld-50 for methadone, klonopin, and the rest? im curious to see how many times over he killed himself.
 
p0ink said:
my bad.

however, i think methadone is far more dangerous for a doctor to prescribe than medical marijuana.

i thought they just give methadone to recovering heroin addicts...are there other purposes?

Can also be used as a painkiller I think, but here when you're prescribed that, the pharmacist will give you a glass of orange juice and you must pop it right in front of him.
 
MortyJackson said:
That kid was hardcore! Who gives a shit about that fucking loser. If a scumbag like that wants to kill himself by ODing on drugs then thats fine with me.

You're a real sensitive individual. The kind that I would like to have as a friend. Not.
 
You people make me sick. You have no idea what was going on inside the mind of that young man. What he did was stupid. Maybe he wanted to die though.
 
biteme said:
You people make me sick. You have no idea what was going on inside the mind of that young man. What he did was stupid. Maybe he wanted to die though.

cool. one less mouth to feed, and one less person who will reproduce.
 
p0ink said:


cool. one less mouth to feed, and one less person who will reproduce.

If that's the way you feel, why don't you just go on a killing spree?
 
biteme said:


If that's the way you feel, why don't you just go on a killing spree?

I'm sure you could find plenty of dumbass people who are just taking up space. Why not start off with the mentally handicapped, chronically ill, and elderly. After all, they are just a drain on society.
 
The Nature Boy said:


maybe you could. but if there was a way to verify that I'd totally bet you on that. oh man, easy money.

It would be easy money for me as there is no such thing as addiction. I have already eliminated that as an excuse from my mind so it will be easy for me to stop.
 
biteme said:


I'm sure you could find plenty of dumbass people who are just taking up space. Why not start off with the mentally handicapped, chronically ill, and elderly. After all, they are just a drain on society.

unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect society.
 
that kid used to goto shroomery.org forums. lot of ppl over there missing him right now. evidently, the kid was a wiz at IDing pills. i knew he died from a OD, but this is fucking macabre.

generally known as a nice kid. a tragedy.
 
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