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Kakdiesel is possibly leaving school

Kakdiesel

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Well many of you in the Atlanta area have probably already heard about my chiropractic school and our shady founder/ex-president.

Our school was put on probation for a year last year by the Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE)--the accrediting instituation for all chiropractic schools. Our founder/ex pres Dr. Sid was very old and stubborn in his ways. He actually still tried to fight what this organization wanted to change in our curriculum.

Because of his arrogance, after the year passed, and we didnt make many changes, the CCE decided to revoke our accredation. We appealed and we will hear what happens next in mid September.

Already many of the students have left, in fear that we will lose accreditation and many are transferring.

Few are remaining, me being one of them, to wait to see what happens. But it looks bleak and i might be forced to leave this city and go continue my education elsewhere.

Fucking politics. It pisses me off. Anyways, I have talked with Alphaxi who is back home in WV, and I am thinking about taking a year off of school and work and move back there to be with her for a while, get engaged, so we can then move somewhere TOGETHER this time when i restart school. Possibly in Spartanburg, South Carolina (sherman chiropractic) or dallas (parker chiro college)..

WIsh me luck because I am very stressed out these days on what i should do. Any comments, suggestions? I would love to hear them right now :bawling:
 
i wish it were that easy brother..

I am very sad to leave this school, for this to happen to my school all because of our founder's arrogance and stubborness to not abide by the new rules of the health care game.

the friends that i have made here are all going their separate ways. I am now returning back home, ashamed as all hell, and looking for a job/apt to be with Alphaxi for a while until we can BOTH decide what city to move to
 
flex123 said:
switch schools, But do not take time off.

i've considered that obviously but i also want to be with Alphaxi for a little while so that we can get engaged and then move out somewhere together..i'm willing to wait for her...

i dont want to leave her again like I did last summer when I moved to atlanta.
 
BodhiDharma said:
so all the work you did in this school was a waste of time ? if so that sucks donkey balls :(

pretty much man..transferring automatically means you are at least either a quarter or trimester behind the school you are going to.

its because most schools these days are a mix of chiropractic and medicine..termed as "mixed schools"...which is the new wave of chiropractic now..not like the straight schools of old who abided by the historical philosophy on which chiropractic was founded on.

basically mixed schools want us to become somewhat medically based as well as chiropractically based...

basically i think these people are too scared to stand up to the Medical Establishment and all their money (pharmaceutiucal compnaies, hospitals, etc.) and are trying to join them instead of offering an ALTERNATIVE to health care..

if people have no choice, then what good is health care??
 
Kakdiesel said:


pretty much man..transferring automatically means you are at least either a quarter or trimester behind the school you are going to.

its because most schools these days are a mix of chiropractic and medicine..termed as "mixed schools"...which is the new wave of chiropractic now..not like the straight schools of old who abided by the historical philosophy on which chiropractic was founded on.

basically mixed schools want us to become somewhat medically based as well as chiropractically based...

basically i think these people are too scared to stand up to the Medical Establishment and all their money (pharmaceutiucal compnaies, hospitals, etc.) and are trying to join them instead of offering an ALTERNATIVE to health care..

if people have no choice, then what good is health care??


Hard luck bro, i feel for ya.

Something like this ahs happend to me before. Just remember that their are always bigger and better things lying ahead of you waiting, but staying down when you get kicked wont get you far. Stay strong and stay ambitious; in the end it will all work out; it always does.
 
sorry to hear bro.. taking a year off might mess you up a little... i know its tough, but get the degree first.. sounds like you have a pretty solid chick, she will respect your need to get shit done.
 
Kakdiesel said:
Well many of you in the Atlanta area have probably already heard about my chiropractic school and our shady founder/ex-president.

Our school was put on probation for a year last year by the Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE)--the accrediting instituation for all chiropractic schools. Our founder/ex pres Dr. Sid was very old and stubborn in his ways. He actually still tried to fight what this organization wanted to change in our curriculum.

Because of his arrogance, after the year passed, and we didnt make many changes, the CCE decided to revoke our accredation. We appealed and we will hear what happens next in mid September.

Already many of the students have left, in fear that we will lose accreditation and many are transferring.



Few are remaining, me being one of them, to wait to see what happens. But it looks bleak and i might be forced to leave this city and go continue my education elsewhere.

Fucking politics. It pisses me off. Anyways, I have talked with Alphaxi who is back home in WV, and I am thinking about taking a year off of school and work and move back there to be with her for a while, get engaged, so we can then move somewhere TOGETHER this time when i restart school. Possibly in Spartanburg, South Carolina (sherman chiropractic) or dallas (parker chiro college)..

WIsh me luck because I am very stressed out these days on what i should do. Any comments, suggestions? I would love to hear them right now :bawling:

Could he be subluxated, and this is causing him to be irrational. He may just need to be adjusted!
 
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I'm sorry to hear that, Kak. I know how excited you were about getting your D.O. I'm sure that things will work out for you and you will probably be much happier being with Alphaxi anyway! :)
 
All I can say is "keep your eye on the prize." It'll be worth when it you're all done, right? :D Don't forget to give us a discount when we're in town. LOL just kidding! :)

Good luck!
 
thanks nordstrom :) trust me, i've done plenty of research for a while :)

im suprised others on the board know about Life U and chiropractice..very impressive folks :)
 
i'm ill-informed about chiropractic schools. how long does it take to finish? (normally, w/o these unexpected interruptions)

what is alphaxi doing in wv? is she still in school?

i agree with those who advised you not to take time off. i've seen several friends and acquaintances who've done this and never gotten back to school...some were stupid and bought new cars or got their girlfriend's pregnant or didn't save money like they planned, etc. life has a way of fuckin' w/you sometimes.

i understand your desire to get engaged, etc. just be sure not to lose focus on your career....

btw...thanks again for your help.

also wanted to thank "who is john galt?" for helping me out with something. lotta' good folks on this board.
 
alphaxi is stuck in WV for a little while financially.

Chiro school is usually a 4 year program AFTER attaining a bachelor's degree.

4 years, year round might i add.

oh and you are welcome Runner :)
 
Damn, that sucks man. From the post, i thought you were dropping out cause of grades or $$$. But its the founder/pres. Thats some messed up stuff. All that time, dedication, $$ on hold for now.

They need to have that guy led away in cuffs on the news like the other pres/ceos that have screwed this economy up. If you move to WV and ever make it to Wash DC. i'll take you and your girl out and show you around.

Hope things pan out well for you..
 
how accountable will he be? will the uni find alternate placements.....basically you;ve had the rug pulled from under u, im sure if you got a coaliton of students together you could do something about it. im sure your lecturers cant be too pleased about this either.....



whats the CCE's advice to you lot? what did they say you should do?
 
danielson said:
how accountable will he be? will the uni find alternate placements.....basically you;ve had the rug pulled from under u, im sure if you got a coaliton of students together you could do something about it. im sure your lecturers cant be too pleased about this either.....



whats the CCE's advice to you lot? what did they say you should do?


many have filed law suits for lost tuition, time, and lost future wages because of this..i mean suing up to the millions...

CCE? doesnt give a shit. Its all politics..they think its hilarious now taht our president is gone (we was somewhat of a larger than life icon in the chiropractic community). They laugh that the stubborn old country giant has fallen. CCE? they want us to go to other schools..the "mixed" schools because thats the future of chiropractic according to them. :(
 
Night Fly said:
I'm sorry to hear that, Kak. I know how excited you were about getting your D.O. I'm sure that things will work out for you and you will probably be much happier being with Alphaxi anyway! :)

not DO, DC (doctor of chiropractic) Night FLY !:mad: lol j/k

thanks though for your concern. :fro:
 
mixed? as in a school that teaches other stuff as well as chiropractery?


now.....how much of yur syllabus can be applied to their standardised curriculum......how easy is it to quantify what you've learnt against another school.

what does your student association have to say.....im sure SOMEONE must be on the students side in all this--> do any of the law suits make it a requirement for the uni/the CCE to provide placements and lists of all the other chiropractic schools?
 
mixed is a term used to describe a curriculum who uses some of the historical basis of chiropractic but along with the new medical technologies of today.

basically a medical school that teaches chiropractic. This is a way for the profession to join the money driven establishiment we call the AMA:mad:

when you say syllabus im assuming you mean how much of my transcripts can be transferred in terms of number of credit hours?

well like i mentioned before, anywhere i go, i will be one trimester behind :(

no one gives a shit about the students...why should they? all the other schools abide by the CCE's requirements and all these other schools WANT us to close down so that they can have X number of students at their school from ours.

For example, our chiro school was the largest in the world. 3000 students. Most chiro schools are a total of 500-800 students. just think if a school got 400 of those 3000 kids to come to their school? thats a 50% increase in students thus generating more money (all chiro schools are private schools..none are funded by the state) thus more money means newer better facilities and so on and so on.
 
Kakdiesel said:
mixed is a term used to describe a curriculum who uses some of the historical basis of chiropractic but along with the new medical technologies of today.

basically a medical school that teaches chiropractic. This is a way for the profession to join the money driven establishiment we call the AMA:mad:

when you say syllabus im assuming you mean how much of my transcripts can be transferred in terms of number of credit hours?

well like i mentioned before, anywhere i go, i will be one trimester behind :(

no one gives a shit about the students...why should they? all the other schools abide by the CCE's requirements and all these other schools WANT us to close down so that they can have X number of students at their school from ours.

For example, our chiro school was the largest in the world. 3000 students. Most chiro schools are a total of 500-800 students. just think if a school got 400 of those 3000 kids to come to their school? thats a 50% increase in students thus generating more money (all chiro schools are private schools..none are funded by the state) thus more money means newer better facilities and so on and so on.

ouch....no proffessional body of chiro's you can write too? or a chiro students organisation that will lobby on your behalf

one trimester aint so bad....it doesnt look like u got a choice anyway. i;d just get togther with a few bro's and sue and then tr and find a new place to study at

sorry to hear the bad news though, id definately be finding somene to sue thugh the fucked u over :mix:
 
thanks danielson :) you get karma

here are some recent articles

8/16/02

Life University trims budget by $4 million
Student exodus prompts cuts; layoffs certain
Mary Macdonald - Staff
Friday, August 16, 2002


The exodus of students from Life University has prompted its interim president to cut another $4 million from the budget, an amount that will require another 30 layoffs.

The university also expects to sell six properties, including administrative and storage buildings, undeveloped land and probably the public clinic in north Marietta, said interim President Michael Schmidt.

His announcement Thursday in a student assembly came three weeks after his decision to kill the $2 million athletics program, which eliminated 18 positions. The university has about 500 employees.

The university has struggled to regain its financial and academic footing since June, when it lost accreditation of the chiropractic program.

Accreditation continues while an appeal is pending before the Council on Chiropractic Education. That decision is expected sometime in the next few months.

Schmidt urged students Thursday to remain optimistic. "We're still going," he said. "Keep the faith."

But the uncertainty at Life has unnerved many students. The chiropractic program had 2,600 students in May. It now has 1,800 and Schmidt said that number could drop another 10 to 30 percent in September.

If the university cannot regain accreditation, students cannot sit for national board exams that are required for a license to practice. If the university loses the appeal, it will immediately apply to re-establish its accreditation.

That start-up process could take between six months and two years, Schmidt said.

Despite this, some students said they remain confident. If the university becomes a smaller place, so be it, said Karen Bowden, a chiropractic student from the Saskatchewan province of Canada. "In order for the changes to be made, there has to be cuts. I understand that," she said. "Even if we do have to pare down, it will still be an exceptional school."

Altogether, Schmidt said he expects to cut $6 million from the university's $38 million operating budget, to counter the loss of tuition from students who have left the beleaguered chiropractic program. The sale of the properties could generate $6 million, which would be put in reserve, he said.

So far, the cuts have not come in academics. And the university has made plans to offer more courses in some areas, including physiotherapy, to meet accreditation concerns.

But some part-time and full-time faculty may begin to lose their jobs within weeks, depending on how many students return for fall quarter in September, he said. Placement services will be provided for those employees. Schmidt spoke to faculty and staff about that prospect last week. "People seem to be understanding what's happening," he said. "They know the cuts are coming."




[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 6/11/02 ]
Life University loses chiropractic accreditation

By MARY MACDONALD and DOUG PAYNE
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writers

The chiropractic program at Life University in Marietta has lost its accreditation, which means future graduates would not be able to take licensing exams to become practicing chiropractors.

The university, the largest producer of chiropractors in the nation, plans to appeal and accreditation will continue until that process is finished.

But the Council on Chiropractic Education, which announced the revocation Monday, is the only chiropratic accrediting agency in the country and has the final say on an appeal.

Without accreditation, the university cannot expect to attract students, because the graduates will not be able to practice, said Mark Cotney, a Thomaston chiropractor who is chairman of the Georgia Board of Chiropractic Examiners.

"This is very serious," Cotney said. "It's unfortunate for the students at Life, but the line has been drawn in the sand as to what the chiropractor is supposed to be able to do."

Cotney said schools need to teach their students that sometimes the practice of chiropractics isn't the cure-all and that a medical doctor should be seen.

Life University has about 2,600 students in its chiropractic program and about 700 students who attend the school for other degrees.

Paul Walker, executive director of the Council on Chiropractic Education, based in Scottsdale, Ariz., would not cite the specific deficiencies. But the problems include diagnostic instruction -- how students are taught to determine if a patient can be treated through chiropractic care or should be referred to a medical doctor -- and faculty oversight of students in the university's clinics.

In a short statement, a Life University administrator assured students Monday that their financial aid, student loans and academic status are not affected by the council's action.

"Life University will take any and all legal actions necessary to protect its accredited status, students, faculty and staff," said Mamie Ware, vice president for academic affairs.

Founder and president Sid Williams did not respond to an interview request Monday.

Although some students took a wait-and-see attitude after word trickled out, others were clearly upset.

"We just moved here from Philadelphia, and we don't want to move again," said Barbara Quinn, whose husband, Paul, is a student at Life.

"We're being kept a little in the dark," Paul Quinn said. "We need to know how serious this is."

Dawn Hazzard, who moved to Atlanta from New Jersey with her family of five to attend the university, said students were not being provided enough information to make an informed decision.

"I have a whole family," she said. "I have a house to sell. Do I have tens of thousands of dollars in loans that I can't pay back? Is the school responsible for helping with that?"

Hazzard said she had supported her husband while he pursued his master's degree, and now he's supporting her while she goes to Life.

"I didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up," she said. "Now I know. I want to help people. I want to be a chiropractor. Now I know what I want to be, and this is making it hard."

The accreditation revocation came a year after the national council first placed Life's program on probation. The council extended the probation for another six months after a follow-up review.

Life University officials traveled to Arizona on Friday to make a personal appeal to retain its accreditation. At the time, university leaders felt confident it would be restored.

Continued accreditation is considered to be vital to the university. Only graduates of accredited chiropractic programs can take the national board exams, which are required for a chiropractor to obtain a license to practice, said the Federation of Chiropractic Licensing Boards.

The revocation stunned many chiropractors and graduates who had been following the accreditation drama. This is the first time the chiropractic council has revoked a school's accreditation.

The Georgia Board of Chiropractic Examiners issued a statement supporting the council's decision. "The days of the chiropractor as a 'fringe' provider are over," Cotney wrote. "Chiropractors must be trained to understand the role their unique skills offer their patients, and must also understand the limitations of those skills."

This is not the only accreditation issue faced by the Marietta university.

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, responsible for oversight of all of Life's programs, also has critically reviewed Life's operations. The association in January issued a public sanction that chastised Life after an examination of its financial stability, management and faculty preparation. The university has six months to respond.

Life University is recognized as a champion of the "straight" chiropractic approach, which espouses a philosophy that the body has an inherent ability to heal itself once spinal interferences are corrected.

Williams, a former Georgia Tech football star, opened the school in 1974 with 22 students in rented space near Dobbins Air Reserve Base. The college achieved university status, growing to include more than 4,000 students and expanding its programs to include undergraduate degrees in related disciplines.

Enrollment has declined since a peak in 1995, but Life's chiropractic program continues to enroll almost twice as many students as its best-known competitor, Palmer College of Chiropractic in Davenport, Iowa.

Officials at Palmer will meet soon to discuss how to respond to the situation at Life, including how to handle transfer requests.

At Life, some students said Monday they would follow the university's appeal closely.

"The important thing now is to be aware of what's going on and keep an open mind," said Leighann Jardine, 24, a second-year student from Grand Rapids, Mich. By that, she said, she means her fellow students should be "open to the possibility of a transfer, but not believing everything they hear."
 
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