Just started my first cycle!

[chrisoh]

Hey all, I started my first six week cycle of 75mg/ED tren and 50/100mg/ED IP Winny. Well today I took 50mg of winny, I'm going to be doing 50mg/ED for the first 2 weeks to test the water and then bump it up to 100mg/ED, I take my first tren shot tomorrow. I should be getting in 2000mg Vitex, 1000mg MSM, and Cranberry soon too. Are the dosages of those are optimal? Also, my goals for this cycle is to get leaner and also add some mass. I've been told to eat at maintainence cals and also to eat as much as I can and I don't know really which advice I'll take. I hope somebody can clear it up, I've been eating about 2000 cals over maintainance so far. I'm taking in ALA at 2.4g/ED. Also, one more question, when should I take the fina shots, AM or PM, before or after a workout?

I'm 19, 6'1", and 220lbs asian male with 12-14%BF and I have been training naturally for 3 years. I remember when I first came to this site, I don't know who it was but he said something I haven't forgotten to this date, it was something along the lines of: "If you're here and you don't plan on ever juicing, you will eventually do it after joining the boards"

Thanks!

 

[chrisoh]

anyone?

 

[NFG123]

Why do you need MSM?

NFG

 

[doubles1]

what is MSM?

 

[TooJacked]

It really depends on your genetic disposition but, if your looking to get leaner I wouldn't recommend that you eat 2000cal above maintenance. If I did that I'd be sure to put on a good amount of fat. Again it depends on your body type, I exhibit mostly endomorphic characteristics so I need to eat very clean and strict in order to stay lean.

 

[lonewulf]

2000 cals over maintenance! Shit you must be a flaming ectomorph like carrot top!-WULF

 

[Audio8]

carrot-top only eats carrots....that's why he's so orange and gay.

 

[chrisoh]

when i eat at maintainance I stay at my current weight but I heard ppl say while on fina, they dont really gain much weight.

 

[Audio8]

when i eat at maintainance I stay at my current weight but I heard ppl say while on fina, they dont really gain much weight.

The scale shouldn't be used as a judge with fina, as it will burn off some fat while adding muscle...thus, you may not even see a change in the scale....best way to do it is try not to look in the mirror with you shirt off for atleast 1 week intervals...then after each succeeding week, look at yourself in the mirror and you'll notice a difference.

 

[bigAragorn]

fina...

...first cycle..man you got balls.
I was flamed off my fucking chair when i told guys over at the fina board that i was gonna shoot fina for my first ever cycle...that was two months ago, instead im gonna shoot sust starting this Monday.

Your probably gonna shoot it anyway so good luck bro. Im 19 as well at 6' and 230 so im a little bigger...and am gonna do this first ever cycle. Ill keep it posted and you keep your gains posted as i will be interested in your progress...

With regards to cals im eating everything i can get my hands on bro...im looking to put on SIZE. The dosages are fine but i am personally gonna shoot fina 75mg eod but that's just me. Like i said im not running fina till later so if you experience good strength gains on 75mgs ed than maybe ill change...

b.A.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Fina on a first cycle is a waste. Make your gains on more basic juice. Save teh fina till you've stopped growing.

 

[g-dogg]

Your drugs are fine but remember this-if you start taking 50 mgs of winny ED and it works well, DON'T INCREASE it, there's no need to up your dosages if you don't need to-another thing, 2000-2500 cals sounds fine but make sure you eat AT LEAST 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, protein is the building block of muscle, not calories

 

[HighIntensity]

fina on your first cycle is fine

 

[chrisoh]

Thanks for the encouragement guys, how soon can I expect the winny to kick in and also the fina?

 

[Audio8]

Thanks for the encouragement guys, how soon can I expect the winny to kick in and also the fina?

The winny will take about 4 weeks to begin seeing results from, if you even see results from it. I've taken IP winny before and didn't see ANY results from it...so have many guys.... You may just want to start at 100mg ED, as I suspect it's highly underdosed.

As for the fina, you will begin to notice strength gains very early on in your cycle, ranging from about 3 to 14 days. Mass gains will come later on, as well as that lovely fat-burning side effect.

And by the way, fina for a first cycle is fine..just as long as you have educated yourself on the risks before taking it.

 

[chrisoh]

Hey, I got the winny about 5 months ago when it was getting glowing reviews by the people who have used them...

 

[Audio8]

Hey, I got the winny about 5 months ago when it was getting glowing reviews by the people who have used them...

My last cycle was using IP winny and that was about 6 months ago...like i said, it didn't do anything for me.

 

[chrisoh]

crap, only time will tell i guess, I really dont think it would take 4 weeks to see results tho.