Just Looking For A Quick Answer...

[DJLegacy2k1]

If running a light dose of .25mg of Letro EOD for several weeks, to test if there are any results on gyno caused by being overweight as a teen, is running nolva for a couple weeks after that needed? I was told by a couple people it was to prevent E-rebound. Or is it only needed if higher doses of Letro are being used? And do you feel it is a good plan?

-Thanks
-Legacy

 

[Mac173]

Are you not sure you have gyno?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Im 99% sure...I have had puffy nips for a while, i dont have hard tissue just behind the nips, but there is rubbery tissue around the edges of the nips. There is tissue I can pinch between my fingers on the outter edges, seems to be the same on both sides.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

You just need to drop some bodyfat amigo. The rubbery shit circling behind your nips, but not underneath it is fat.

I know because I get that if I hit 20% or more.

Raise your arms overhead and also do a front double bicep. If your chest flattens out totally then I'm probably right. If you have any kind of lump or visible sign of swelling with arms raised overhead then you may have some.

Tissue you can pinch on the outer edges of your pecs is just cayse you have too much fat and tend to deposit a good amount in the chest region which can cause a crease of skin on the sides of the pecs.

Be honest with your bodyfat %. Chances are you are close to or above 20% bodyfat.

If lower then again you may have some gyno.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

No, my chest doesnt completely flatten out when reach up or flex...I am still cutting, but I have cut all the way down to 165lbs at 6' tall, last year, but still had puffy nips and all. I bulked up a little over winter, and im cutting now for basketball summer season, Im at about 185 and 17% bf.

My plan was to cut to 15-14%, before attempting any sort of "gyno control". Maybe even lower and see how it is at the END of summer and try something over the fall season. But either way, Im trying to figure out what would be best so I am prepaired, if it turns out I do need to try something.

As I said before, February of last year I was down to 165 lbs at 6' tall, 21 years old, and I still had a "problem" area, which was my chest never seemed to cut down.

Thanks for the help so far guys...

-Legacy

 

[Triple J]

you may want to apply a topical fat burner in the chest area in addition to using the letro. what are your cutting methods. it sounds like you lost too much muscle when you last cut, therefore you never really got bodyfat% that low. those stubborn areas will take a very determined and intelligent effort.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Calories In Cals Out Daily Caloric Deficit
Weight Train Cardio
Mon 2,037 300 750 Mon 1,923
Tue 2,037 300 750 Tur 1,923
Wed 2,037 0 750 Wed 1,623
Thu 2,474 300 750 Thu 1,487
Fri 2,037 300 750 Fri 1,923
Sat 2,037 0 - Sat 873
Sun 2,474 0 750 Sun 1,187
10,938
Fat/Muscle Loss Ratio: 81%
Body Eficiency: 65%

0.39 lbs LBM Loss/Week
2.03 lbs Fat loss/week


Thats the basic break down of diet...All clean, carbs are only around workouts. Of course the workout cals are averaged, some days i play basketball which burn more cals than the standard cardio workout.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

ok excell doesnt look as good...but im sure u get the idea.

 

[ALIN]

If running a light dose of .25mg of Femera - letrozole - EOD for several weeks, to test if there are any results on gynecomastia caused by being overweight as a teen, is running Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for a couple weeks after that needed? I was told by a couple people it was to prevent E-rebound. Or is it only needed if higher doses of Letro are being used? And do you feel it is a good plan?

-Thanks
-Legacy

I cant confirm if nolva is needed to prevent rebound after letro but I would run 1.25mg EOD of the letrozole.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I tried running some yohimburn or whatever from the AF Store before, and it didnt seem to help...

Im not sure how much Nolva to run when cutting back the letro at the end...I saw people say to overlap the 2 for the last 2 weeks and taper off the letro, and use the nolva for 2 weeks following to prevent e-rebound and to save the sex drive.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

This is part of the gys article I read about Gyno Reversal:

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Anyone agree with that part of the article, or see anything wrong?...Just curious as to responses on it.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

If running the Gyno reversal, should any form of natural test booster be ran at the same time?