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Just got done with a "personal trainer", a squat rack rant

JohnRobHolmes

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My gym doesnt have a proper squat rack or power rack. The one they do have does not have adjustable safety bars, and is too high for me to do a comfortable squat. Right now I have to squat outside the rack to get low enough. So, I made an appointment with the head personal trainer (who is skinnier than me!) to come up with a solution to this issue. I haven't had any issues so far with squatting, but I am looking to avoid mishaps as my strength increases.


The first thing he commented on was my form. By going "so low" in my squat I am ruining my knees and lower back evidently. I informed him that I had a slipped disc and 2 knee injuries, and that squatting ass to grass was better for my body BY FAR. I have used squats to rehab my body, and I keep em tight. Going low allows me to transfer the weight into my hips and takes the pressure off my knees, I informed him. He reassured me that in 5 years I will ruin my knees and back. OK, fine. His second issue was how "wide" my stance was, slightly more than shoulder width apart. My feet and knees line up, I assured him. At this point I'm getting the feeling that he is going to say my squats are at fault and not the rack. So, after establishing that he is a "not below parallel" type of guy he starts into his four solutions. Solution 1-3 was to stop squatting and perform the motions on a machine. Smith machine for legs and core ball for core. WTF? What part of that says freeweight squat? "What about the angled smith machine or the fancy squat machine over here?", he suggested. I replied "Free weight squat is part of my routine, and I am not looking for a replacement. I am looking for a safe place to do them".

So, back to square one he states that my squatting form will ruin my knees and lower back. They might think about getting a plyo box in the current rack to raise me up a bit, but why the hell would I want a box to avoid and struggle to get on top of? I held my tongue though. Yes, walking (backwards) up onto a 12" box with more than my bodyweight on my back is exactly the answer I was looking for! I stated that if the box was long and wide enough it sounded like a good option to me. He replied "but it will probably be a while before we get that, we have no timeframe for the plyometric boxes".

So, back to square one he tells me that my squats are all wrong and that my knees and back will be ruined. The smith machine is my best bet he says. I asked him how I would ditch a bad squat since the machine is free floating on two planes. Basically, I would lean back and hope to GOD that it caught in one of the hooks on the back side. Yeah right.

So, we walked to the front while I outlined my routine to him. He had no comments on the routine (I was expecting some comments about deadlifts too), nor did he have any other suggestions (I expected one more about my squats being too low). Looks like I'm going to have another talk with the membership girl this afternoon. This huge, flashy, wonderful gym doesn't even have a damn power rack, nor do they see a need to get one. Suddenly the place seems like a ripoff that will only stagnate my progress from the lack of safe and proper equipment.

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I hate stuff like that. With personal trainers like him, there's no wonder so many people train like morons.

Yesterday, I watched a personal trainer at my gym "teaching" someone to squat. He had the poor guy start off with 50 kg ( which looked to be close to the clients bodyweight). This was the guy's first time ever trying to do the movement. He then made him squat about halfway down, and told him that it was good, even though his knees were coming in and he barley bent at the hips at all. Then they moved on to dumbell curls or some shit.

A few weeks prior to this, the same trainer was working out with some other dude. The trainer did half squats with something around 120 kg or whatever. His buddy told him to lower the weight and go all the way down. The trainer was like "oh, are you supposed to do that?" Anyway, he did remove some weight, and was actually able to perform a somewhat decent squat. But after a few sets, he said " fuck this", put on more weight and half squatted like he'd always done. And he still does that.
 
Anyone using a commercial gym can't really complain when the stupid advice starts rolling in, even from a trainer.

I went to a commercial gym down the street a total of ONE time, to get my bodyfat professionally guaged for a few bucks. . . . Better than your normal foo-foo gym. A bit of a more hardcore atmosphere. Asked the guy if they had anyone available who trained or could coach cleans and the snatch. He stared blankly at me. I said, "Nevermind. Just do the bodyfat thing."

I love my home gym.
 
Protobuilder said:
Anyone using a commercial gym can't really complain when the stupid advice starts rolling in, even from a trainer.

I went to a commercial gym down the street a total of ONE time, to get my bodyfat professionally guaged for a few bucks. . . . Better than your normal foo-foo gym. A bit of a more hardcore atmosphere. Asked the guy if they had anyone available who trained or could coach cleans and the snatch. He stared blankly at me. I said, "Nevermind. Just do the bodyfat thing."

I love my home gym.

I will be your coach Proto
 
and I will pinch your love handles and massage your glutes to find how much adipose resides therein, who needs a trainer when you have EF to help

to the original poster, just find another gym. No power rack = not a gym.
 
You're not gonna get a leopard to change it's spots... if they didn't put in a power rack before they even friggin' signed up a member.. it's obviously not a priority and due to the insurance risk and/or their gayness.. they would prefer their members do isolation movements all day.

You need to join a new gym if that's important to you, brutha.
 
Maybe you could bring a powerrack in with you!!! ;)

I'd have stopped the dumbass after his talk about squats, and asked for my money back. "I don't think I'm going to learn anything from you"
 
The certification of the personal trainer matters a lot. Most of these guys are Ace folks or something worse.

If you really must have a trainer, look for a CSCS and accept nothing less. And don't bitch when you can't afford it.
 
The proper equipment is the first thing I look at when joining a gym. If it does not have the stuff I need especially a rack it is out. I doubt you will seriously be able to talk them into getting the rack since most likely it will be up to the owners or investors to authorize the purchase of new equipment. Most you can hope for is to get out your contract and find another gym.

Perp
 
I met a girl who wants a power rack too. Maybe I can get a few people together inside the gym to make some noise...

Missed the accounts lady today. She left before I was done with my workout. If they wont get a rack I dont really have much choice. When I first went there it looked like they had a normal power rack, but it was a MAX RACK in disguise.
 
Most commercial gyms will never allow a power rack on the premises since it's a dangerous liability. If you ruin your knees in a Smith machine they have the defence that it's not their doing since they provided industry-standard safety equipment and "everyone knows that Smith squats are safer". If you get hurt in a power rack they might be liable for not ensuring that proper safety precautions were taken.

You also have the problem of shrugging off or dropping the bar which, again, is something that doesn't happen on a Smith. Along with this is the aspect of spotting: if someone is about to squat they might ask a trainer to spot them. On a free squat, that might involve some effort for the trainer and require him to put his doughnut down. On a Smith, he only needs to rotate the bar to hook it off.

It's not going to happen, no matter how many murmurs of aquiescence they might give you. They probably also want to avoid getting anything that looks intimidating lest they be over-run with meat-heads.
 
No use complaining, man.....your two options are to squat outside the rack (something I've done in many, many places), or to find a new gym.

As for the trainer's 5 year commment, lol....I've been squatting ass to the grass for 14 years with no issues yet.
 
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