juicing for 40yr old + males

[babyfaced monster]

Whats up fellas, i have a buddy thats 45+ and in great shape. He's 5"9 and 180-90lbs(peaked at 220-30 i believe), with 25+ years of training. He's curious and as i to what cycles he should try out. He's from the "old school" stye of lifting, incorporating kettle bell throws, cleans etc and is very knowledgeable in general health except on A.S. I was wondering what cycles or stacks he should try?

 

[cbeaks]

You should talk to ironmaster. He is 50+ and is still doing heavy cycles and has been for a while. - cbeaks

 

[genarr3]

Well bro I'm 38 so he's not much older then me. I basically do all the same things you guys do, just in a more conservative way. I do use orals, but only at low doses. I don't go very high on injectables either, maybe 750mgs total for whatever combo I'm taking.

The thing I'm most careful about is taking the proper amount of time off. There are alot of guys on the board that stay on year round and don't care about their natural test production. Me, I hold that system near and dear to my heart, I don't want to mess anything up.

The fact that he's been training so long naturally is fantastic. I'll tell you why. I trained natural for almost ten years before I tried steroids. When you train natural for any length of time you get used to the idea that gains come very very slowly if at all. So my first cycle was 200mgs/week Deca. A joke on these boards, most will post that will do nothing. Well for me it caused me to break every single personal record in my bench, squat, and deadlift. These were numbers that hadn't budged in years.

The point I'm trying to make is he knows what he's doing, set him up with a low dose of whatever, he'll be very happy.

 

[BackintheSaddle]

Can't give you advice

because I'm in the same boat as your friend but I can tell you that Genarr3 is the voice of reason and it would do you well to heed his advice.

 

[babyfaced monster]

great post genarr, karma for you.

Yes, i believe off minimum dosages he will reap great results and gains because of his many years of training and his fresh receptors. Speaking of which, we all know that your first cycle is your best. Should he go the MASS ROUTE, dbol/test where im sure he can gain an easy 30lbs and keep 20? Or the QUALITY ROUTE, test alone or primo/winny or anavar/test where he would have to be patient and steady gains will come? I'm still not too sure of his goals, im just giving him articles and updating him on A.S. Ill try to find out what his goals are as he is still undecided.

Genarr, your first cycle was a very mild one, any side effects? Do you regret not upping the dosages?

 

[CRAZYPITBULL]

That's a very hard question to answer,especially because of so many different combinations.Why not do a fina cycle, and mix in a conservative amount of test ? It's cheap and very effective, and I'm sure he will love the results.

 

[genarr3]

great post genarr, karma for you.

Yes, i believe off minimum dosages he will reap great results and gains because of his many years of training and his fresh receptors. Speaking of which, we all know that your first cycle is your best. Should he go the MASS ROUTE, dbol/test where im sure he can gain an easy 30lbs and keep 20? Or the QUALITY ROUTE, test alone or primo/winny or anavar/test where he would have to be patient and steady gains will come? I'm still not too sure of his goals, im just giving him articles and updating him on A.S. Ill try to find out what his goals are as he is still undecided.

Genarr, your first cycle was a very mild one, any side effects? Do you regret not upping the dosages?

No, I don't reget the dose at all. I had no side effects. I personally am not a big fan of test. I don't like the bloat, the acne, or the hair that suddenly started growing on my back. I get much better results off of Deca. But everyone's different. Primo/Winstrol sounds great.
But test and DBol might to wonders for him also. He needs to try different stuff.

 

[ironmaster]

Test/deca/dbol and hGH........the fountain of youth for those of us over 45. (deca and hGH for pain-free joints and injury prevention while lifting heavy, dbol to stimulate IGF-1 secretion, and test for the rest).
genarr3 is very right about proper cycling. That's my one regret. I've been on so long, my axis is never coming back. But, after 30 years of use, I have very few negatives and a whole lot of positives to report

 

[Ulter]

This is my best advice to your friend and the safest thing for him to do.
Have him do a cycle of test/deca and some dbol if he wants. BUT he should do it like this...
Have him shoot 250mg/wk test and 200mg/wk deca for 3 weeks at which point he should have an endoscreen lab test done (he can buy one at the AF Store for $60) and have his estradiol checked. If it is not WAY off the charts then have him go up to 500mg/test and 400mg/deca the 4th week through the 10th week. If his estradiol is really high then he should stay with the lower dose. Make sure he has nolva and make sure he is taking 1mg/day or arimidex.

 

[babyfaced monster]

This is my best advice to your friend and the safest thing for him to do.
Have him do a cycle of test/deca and some dbol if he wants. BUT he should do it like this...
Have him shoot 250mg/wk test and 200mg/wk deca for 3 weeks at which point he should have an endoscreen lab test done (he can buy one at the AF Store for $60) and have his estradiol checked. If it is not WAY off the charts then have him go up to 500mg/test and 400mg/deca the 4th week through the 10th week. If his estradiol is really high then he should stay with the lower dose. Make sure he has nolva and make sure he is taking 1mg/day or arimidex.

Karma points for you too ulter, solid advice.

Should us youngins be concerned with our estradiol levels?

Ill be showing him a printable log version of this post, so anyother opinons will be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellas.

 

[hockey1]

43YEARS OLD

My first cycle was when i just turned 42 and did 550mgs test,400mgs decca,40mgs dbol(6weeks) did this for 4months,took 1month off then did 750test,eq 400mg instead of decca,300mgs primo,now i'm doing 1500mgs t-400,800mgs eq,4iu GH (this works great for me)10iu insulin post a.m. workout,200mg fina eod and i have gained 35pounds of sloid muscular weight.Im trying to stay on GH for 1year straight.Laying off the slin for 2weeks.Im 43 now and will compete at 184 pounds.