Juicen Prematurely ???and Y I think its a good idea

[Tarentino99]

I've been reading about what many of you have been saying about juicen while your young and havn't reached your potental.
It sounded good and all, but three thougths came to mind.

First is that perhaps i'm an idiot,

second is an observation, I don't know ifs its just a coincidence, but the biggest guys in my gym all have the same think in common, they all juiced when they been really young( before 18)

thrid, If you have high test levels when your young, then why wouldn't you keep more results from juice than when your older and have a lower level of test?
if you use clomid etc... won't you regain your natural test level which is high? In scientic terms, why is it bad to juice young, because you will in the course of time actually be lowering your normal test level? Y

I may sound like a complete idiot at this point but, Does the statment if you juice when 16 you'll have better results that if you juice at 26? No SENSE? If you juice when your test level is low, won't you keep less in the long run.

Maybe this migth answer my qustions.
y do people lose muscle(real muscle) after they juice?

a. Because theri test level isn't high enough to maintian the muslce

b.??? Do the bodies natural enzymes reverse protein synthesis?
I know test is sometimes converted into estrogen and alpha 5 convert test to dht? I just don't have a clue? I'm finding it hard to apply this shit!

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Dude, that's a really confusing post. But I'll try to answer what I think your asking. The reason most young guys should wait is so they can fully learn to eat right, train hard and correctly and both gain muscle and lose fat while natural. There is also the issue of connective tissue strength. Training naturally strengthens connective tissue which is important BUT steroids can weaken connective tissue and coupled with the massive strength gains some steroids can produce this can easily lead to nasty tears and injuries. So building up connective tissue strength while training naturally can protect you from injuries once you start juicin'. And of course there is the issue of steroids stunting growth, which might be avoidable by using non-aromatizable steroids or armidex, but of course no ones 100% sure of that.

Also, there is some evidence that streroids upregulate the AR which could explain why guys that start younger are bigger. Or it could just be they got a head start.

Higher natural test levels will of course allow you to build and keep more muscle, so yes, a young guy with more natural test and a more resilent HPTA could potentially hold more muscle post cycle, all things being equal. A good post cycle strategy should still be used of course. A guy at 26 shouldn't have low test levels though. And I seriously doubt any 16 year old would be able to eat, train, and "know their body" as good as someone who's 26 and been training longer. Not to say there aren't some 16 year olds that are really serious, they just haven't had enough time training to get the hang of everything really well. Hope that answers some of your questions.

 

[ZKaudio]

I think it's also an ego thing... many of the guys on this board reached close to their genetic potential before hitting the gear and they dont want others to attribute all of their gains to the gear. It is important to understand that naturally, you can still grow like a weed. Try an "on cycle" diet w/o the drugs first and see what you grow like with dialed in macros. Then after you really feel like you have reached your max, figure out a mild first cycle to help you break that plateau. I've been lifting since 14 and debating the choice to gear up since senior year of h/s. I am now a junior in college, and still natural. Am i glad I've stayed natural? yes... there are still great gains to be made trust me...

 

[brockout]

b/c your body isnt ready and your mind isnt ready (this is obvious from your post). why risk fucking up your heart, liver and entire body all for gaining a few pounds which if you are too lazy to even attempt to gain naturally you are not going o be able to keep after your cycle. think about it.