John Edwards' speech: pure class warfare

[MattTheSkywalker]

Edwards said (close paraphrase)


There are two Americas: One for the people who have already achieved their American dream and don;t have anything to worry about, and the other one, for most Americans, still struggling to make ends meet.


I suppose we are to think Kerry and Edwards will "solve" this "problem"?

And apparently, big Brother is the solution? You "ABB" people better be careful what you wish for, unless you;re just envious people who want to use the power of government to steal from people more successful than you.

Ironically, that is how Edwards made his money.

 

[javaguru]

This is typical party nonsense, there have been two classes of people since the beginning of time and that's not going to change. It also feeds into the "victim" mentality which is typical of your average American. It's not their fault they are struggling, they're a victim of big corporations and "the wealthy" not their own bad choices in life. People need to grow up and accept responsibility for their lives!

 

[Longhorn85]

Liberal Playbook: Page 1.

Ironically, the America that allowed John Edwards to go to college and law school from poverty was Richard Nixon's America.

 

[MAX 300]

America is the most economically divided country I have ever been to. And I have been to A lot of very poor and very wealthy countries. In fact I would bet that America is the most economically unequitable country in the world.

 

[manny78]

America is the most economically divided country I have ever been to. And I have been to A lot of very poor and very wealthy countries. In fact I would bet that America is the most economically unequitable country in the world.

Obviously you haven't seen shitholes like Brazil, Haiti or most African countries. Spend a week in Port au Prince and lemme know your feelings on the US right after...

 

[The Wenis]

imagine that, a personal injury lawyer talking about class warfare. not your most insightful observation on these boards.

 

[manny78]

Wasn't Edwards an ambulance chaser in the past ?

 

[Badbart]

Obviously you haven't seen shitholes like Brazil, Haiti or most African countries. Spend a week in Port au Prince and lemme know your feelings on the US right after...

I'll back you up on that. Go to Latin American and see the big divide between rich and poor.

 

[MAX 300]

Obviously you haven't seen shitholes like Brazil, Haiti or most African countries. Spend a week in Port au Prince and lemme know your feelings on the US right after...

I have been to Bombay, India. As far as poverty goes that is pretty bad.

What makes the US so unique is it's enormous contrast. The world's most massive wealth as well as an enormous chasm between rich and poor. Brazil, Haiti and most African contries may have more poverty, but they don't have the wealth of the USA to contrast that.

 

[Badbart]

I have been to Bombay, India. As far as poverty goes that is pretty bad.

What makes the US so unique is it's enormous contrast. The world's most massive wealth as well as an enormous chasm between rich and poor. Brazil, Haiti and most African contries may have more poverty, but they don't have the wealth of the USA to contrast that.

Poor in America means you only get basic cable.

 

[Moneymaker]

Edwards said (close paraphrase)


There are two Americas: One for the people who have already achieved their American dream and don;t have anything to worry about, and the other one, for most Americans, still struggling to make ends meet.


I suppose we are to think Kerry and Edwards will "solve" this "problem"?

And apparently, big Brother is the solution? You "ABB" people better be careful what you wish for, unless you;re just envious people who want to use the power of government to steal from people more successful than you.

Ironically, that is how Edwards made his money.

Yeah Kerry and Edwards are really men of the people. After all they know exactly what it is like to be in middle class America fighting for that American dream. Kerry did make his money the old fashioned way though I will give him that..... he married it. And nothing like having another lawyer in the white house, wait didn't the last one committ felony perjury and then get impeached. Yeah i'm positive that Kerry in between trips to his five mansions has really come up with solutions to all of this countries economic woes, man of the people my ass.

 

[bluepeter]

Yeah Kerry and Edwards are really men of the people. After all they know exactly what it is like to be in middle class America fighting for that American dream. Kerry did make his money the old fashioned way though I will give him that..... he married it. And nothing like having another lawyer in the white house, wait didn't the last one committ felony perjury and then get impeached. Yeah i'm positive that Kerry in between trips to his five mansions has really come up with solutions to all of this countries economic woes, man of the people my ass.

and this contrasts the draft-dodging, richboy, silver spoon in his mouth, daddy was the President little punk how?

 

[Moneymaker]

and this contrasts the draft-dodging, richboy, silver spoon in his mouth, daddy was the President little punk how?

At least if i were going to come home from a war and protest it by being a big man and throwing my purple hearts over the white house fence and would actually throw my medals and not pretend they were mine and throw someone elses. Which who did.... thats right your boy J.K. !

 

[Code]

Tort law vs. healthcare insitutions.

I swear the main character in King of Torts is based off him.

Wasn't Edwards an ambulance chaser in the past ?

 

[bluepeter]

At least if i were going to come home from a war and protest it by being a big man and throwing my purple hearts over the white house fence and would actually throw my medals and not pretend they were mine and throw someone elses. Which who did.... thats right your boy J.K. !

He's not my boy, I was just pointing out the obvious irony of calling him out for being a spoiled richboy when the guy in the Oval Office has him beat hands down all across the board in this area.

As for his medals, keep beating a dead horse. You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing the 2 candidates in terms of going to war to defend their country. One volunteered and was heavily decorated while the other dodged and joined the Texas Air National Guard (lol) from which he disappeared.

 

[curling]

I can not believe that their are so many loser people in america that swallow the liberal bs crap. And I can't believe anyone would want a bloodsucking plaintiff attorney in the whitehouse. They are the scum of the earth I mean who wants the scummiest excuse for a human being being a leader of them. Liberals = Losers.

 

[bluepeter]

I can not believe that their are so many loser people in america that swallow the conservative bs crap. And I can't believe anyone would want a pathetic, draft dodging Daddy's richboy in the whitehouse. They are the scum of the earth I mean who wants the scummiest excuse for a human being being a leader of them. Conservatives = Losers.

 

[Dougly]

Curling should be writing speeches for the GOP.

 

[bluepeter]

Curling should be writing speeches for the GOP.

Now there's an idea.....

 

[jerseyart]

He's not my boy, I was just pointing out the obvious irony of calling him out for being a spoiled richboy when the guy in the Oval Office has him beat hands down all across the board in this area.

As for his medals, keep beating a dead horse. You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing the 2 candidates in terms of going to war to defend their country. One volunteered and was heavily decorated while the other dodged and joined the Texas Air National Guard (lol) from which he disappeared.

Blue

I foyu are going to propogandize, maintain at least some measure of honesty for credibility

He didnt disappear. That is an unfounded allegation

And flying fighter jets is not a low risk occupation. It is one of the most dangerous tasks out there

 

[curling]

Curling should be writing speeches for the GOP.

Give me a pen. I mean I can't believe people are so silly that they want the govt to do all their thinking for them. ARe they too stupid to know how to think for themselves? I mean liberal loser want the liberal govt to take the majority of their paychecks and give it to other losers that are bigger losers than them.

 

[Dougly]

Give me a pen. I mean I can't believe people are so silly that they want the govt to do all their thinking for them. ARe they too stupid to know how to think for themselves? I mean liberal loser want the liberal govt to take the majority of their paychecks and give it to other losers that are bigger losers than them.

Ladies and gentleman, it's my honor to introduce to you, the next President of the United States.

 

[bluepeter]

Blue

I foyu are going to propogandize, maintain at least some measure of honesty for credibility

He didnt disappear. That is an unfounded allegation

And flying fighter jets is not a low risk occupation. It is one of the most dangerous tasks out there

Pot calling the kettle black. Please point me to the documentation indicating his whereabouts for his entire term.

Flying fighter jets is certainly dangerous, didn't say it wasn't. I'm telling this obvious Bush supporter that is trying to trivialize John Kerry's service to his country that he's got nowhere to go with that.

John Kerry is not 'my man', I am not a Democrat nor am I a Republican (in Canadian terms). I simply do not like the direction America has taken under W and the adverse affect it has had on my country. Thus, I would like to see a change.

 

[jerseyart]

What pot blue?

When did I question Kerry's military service. I'm simply pointing out your equally abhorrent behavior.

As for Bush, he completed his service, and received an honorable discharge. That is all that is required for 100% of the people who don't have a politcal axe to grind. The rest is simply manufactured propoganda. You couldnt find the complete records for 90% of the guys who served during that time

 

[solidg]

Edwards said (close paraphrase)


There are two Americas: One for the people who have already achieved their American dream and don;t have anything to worry about, and the other one, for most Americans, still struggling to make ends meet.


I suppose we are to think Kerry and Edwards will "solve" this "problem"?

And apparently, big Brother is the solution? You "ABB" people better be careful what you wish for, unless you;re just envious people who want to use the power of government to steal from people more successful than you.

Ironically, that is how Edwards made his money.

I agree.

Now looking at stuff right now - looks like we are going to have bush jr for another 4 years.

1. The economy is recovering slowly

2. The 2 wars - afghanistan and iraq make bush jr look like a hero

3. Every one loves them tax cuts, especially the ones for the wealthy, cause we all now that the wealthy take the extra money and put it right back into the economy. Im not kiddin'

4.

5.


Bush-Cheney for 04!

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I can not believe that their are so many loser people in america that swallow the liberal bs crap. And I can't believe anyone would want a bloodsucking plaintiff attorney in the whitehouse. They are the scum of the earth I mean who wants the scummiest excuse for a human being being a leader of them. Liberals = Losers.

In America, when a toilet flushes, curling speaks. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[bluepeter]

What pot blue?

When did I question Kerry's military service. I'm simply pointing out your equally abhorrent behavior.

As for Bush, he completed his service, and received an honorable discharge. That is all that is required for 100% of the people who don't have a politcal axe to grind. The rest is simply manufactured propoganda. You couldnt find the complete records for 90% of the guys who served during that time

I'm sorry, I'm behaving abhorrently because I saw fit to dispute the ridiculous assertions made by moneymaker? Give me a break.

I could personally give a shit what Bush did at that time but if someone is going to dog John Kerry's service to his country, I'll contrast the 2 and call them on it every time.

 

[jerseyart]

Blue,

I imagine Bush would have been more than happy to leave ny Vietnam comparisons in the past. The only one constantly mentioning it as an issue is Kerry. He has done so in every campaign he has ever run. It is his only shield against the justified attacks on his weak and extremeist left record

 

[bluepeter]

Blue,

I imagine Bush would have been more than happy to leave ny Vietnam comparisons in the past. The only one constantly mentioning it as an issue is Kerry. He has done so in every campaign he has ever run. It is his only shield against the justified attacks on his weak and extremeist left record

I don't know about previous campaigns but it was made an issue in this campaign by the Bush camp.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

and this contrasts the draft-dodging, richboy, silver spoon in his mouth, daddy was the President little punk how?

Bush didn;t run on class warfare principles, nor has he campaigned on it now.

 

[jerseyart]

Blue that is so far from the truth as to be fiction

Kerry made it an issue from day one. That isn't a partisan assessment. He was preempting the liberal weak on security attacks he knew would come along with an examoination of his record. Because he mae it such an issue, something every republican for obvious reasons would have hoped to avoid, they were forced to dreg up the post war bullshit. That was a bandaid. There isnt much poor to say about his actual war record, he knows it, which is why he mentions it and his "band of brothers" at every campaign stop.

 

[Code]

It's been the ONLY thing he's said that resembles anything concrete.
No one knows what his platform is, except for a pie-in-the-sky health care for everyone, which will bankrupt America.

Blue that is so far from the truth as to be fiction

Kerry made it an issue from day one. That isn't a partisan assessment. He was preempting the liberal weak on security attacks he knew would come along with an examoination of his record. Because he mae it such an issue, something every republican for obvious reasons would have hoped to avoid, they were forced to dreg up the post war bullshit. That was a bandaid. There isnt much poor to say about his actual war record, he knows it, which is why he mentions it and his "band of brothers" at every campaign stop.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I'm sorry, I'm behaving abhorrently because I saw fit to dispute the ridiculous assertions made by moneymaker? Give me a break.

I could personally give a shit what Bush did at that time but if someone is going to dog John Kerry's service to his country, I'll contrast the 2 and call them on it every time.

The "dirty little secret" on Bush's guard service is actually a dirty little secret about the Guard in general.

Bush's attendance at drill was normal: most people in the Guard miss a lot of drills. Drill attendance is often quite low. Bush was right in line with typical national guard behavior.

No one will say this because it embarrasses millions, and because the guard is figuring so prominently in the Iraq situation. But most of the Guard is a bunch of shitbags, and Bush just went along for the ride.

Talk about a non-issue.

Kerry's Vietnam service was honorable. His frustrations post war are undrstandable. Neither of these give him any additonal credibility of expertise in the realm of national defense and strategic policymaking; that is what a cabinet is for. The Prez makes the decisions once all info has been presented; it is not as if the prez is in the late night meetings hammering out details. Functionaries do that.

 

[beastboy]

Both parties have idiots representing them. It is the lesser of 2 evils....

 

[WODIN]

I can not believe that their are so many loser people in america that swallow the liberal bs crap. And I can't believe anyone would want a bloodsucking plaintiff attorney in the whitehouse. They are the scum of the earth I mean who wants the scummiest excuse for a human being being a leader of them. Liberals = Losers.

As compared to a corpse creating, blood suck President and VP?

yeah.

 

[AAP]

Bush still sucks.

 

[curling]

Bush still sucks.

This could only come from a guy that don't care for the poontang.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Bush still sucks.

Sure, he sucks, he is a politician through and through, a slimy, weasel-ish political dick. So is everyone in DC.

What he does not do is engage in class warfare, nor is he a populist, nor will he increase the taxes on the most productive among us just for being productive.

 

[curling]

Sure, he sucks, he is a politician through and through, a slimy, weasel-ish political dick. So is everyone in DC.

What he does not do is engage in class warfare, nor is he a populist, nor will he increase the taxes on the most productive among us just for being productive.

I have always thought that was wrong for demos to punish people for working hard and being sucessful. Their mentality breeds mediocracy(sp).

 

[AAP]

I have always thought that was wrong for demos to punish people for working hard and being sucessful. Their mentality breeds mediocracy(sp).

Good point.

 

[Robert Jan]

America is the most economically divided country I have ever been to. And I have been to A lot of very poor and very wealthy countries. In fact I would bet that America is the most economically unequitable country in the world.

I believe right now in Brazil, 2% of the population holds 80% of the money

That's a worse angle than the USA.

Book a 5 star hotel in Rio. You'll have a nice view of the slums from your suite.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I believe right now in Brazil, 2% of the population holds 80% of the money

That's a worse angle than the USA.

Book a 5 star hotel in Rio. You'll have a nice view of the slums from your suite.

USA is a place where if you apply yourself, educate yourself, and enact a plan you can do very well. If you want to be a piece of shit and have a victim mentality that the democraps seem to perpetuate, then life will certainly suck for you.

If you listen to a John Kerry or John Edwards speech, you would think we are in a depression. The democrats are going to lose big in November. State by state polls have Bush ahead by a large margin in the electoral college. Edwards won't even help Kerry win his home state of North Carolina...lol. The only reason this ambulance chaser ran for Presifent was because he was certain to lose his next Senate bid.

 

[wend]

Poor in America means you only get basic cable.

Funny joke, but not true.

Being poor in American can mean looking at your children and knowing that no matter how much you might wish for them to have a better life than you, they probably won't. It can mean having to fear for your life every time you bring your groceries home (or walk to school). It can mean not being able to afford to feed the food to your children that you know would keep them healthy. And when they do get sick, it can mean not being able to afford the medicine that could save their lives. Finally, it can mean not having a roof over your head, and having to find hazardous shelter every time the sun goes down.

We may not have the excessive masses of poor folk that exist in some other countries, but for the increasing number of people here that are truly poor, it's a lot worse than not having 90 channels of crap to choose from. I don't think that what the Democrats are about is class warfare. Nobody's shouting to eat the rich. I think they're just talking about making sure that all Americans have the opportunity to pursue their own happiness. It doesn't seem like that unrealistic a goal. And it sure seems like it would be worthwhile.

We're not poor. We got a nice tax break from Bush and his folks, but as I said to Maj last night, I'd gladly do without that extra bit of blowable cash so that the folks around me could be happier.

 

[Longhorn85]

We got a nice tax break from Bush and his folks, but as I said to Maj last night, I'd gladly do without that extra bit of blowable cash so that the folks around me could be happier.

Then just do it. Give away your tax refund to the poor around you. Don't whine and gnash your teeth about it.

Why does it have to be given to the govt and then redistributed? Why not just give yourself?

 

[Badbart]

Funny joke, but not true.

Being poor in American can mean looking at your children and knowing that no matter how much you might wish for them to have a better life than you, they probably won't. It can mean having to fear for your life every time you bring your groceries home (or walk to school). It can mean not being able to afford to feed the food to your children that you know would keep them healthy. And when they do get sick, it can mean not being able to afford the medicine that could save their lives. Finally, it can mean not having a roof over your head, and having to find hazardous shelter every time the sun goes down.

We may not have the excessive masses of poor folk that exist in some other countries, but for the increasing number of people here that are truly poor, it's a lot worse than not having 90 channels of crap to choose from. I don't think that what the Democrats are about is class warfare. Nobody's shouting to eat the rich. I think they're just talking about making sure that all Americans have the opportunity to pursue their own happiness. It doesn't seem like that unrealistic a goal. And it sure seems like it would be worthwhile.

We're not poor. We got a nice tax break from Bush and his folks, but as I said to Maj last night, I'd gladly do without that extra bit of blowable cash so that the folks around me could be happier.

Plenty of government housing, food stamps and college loans anyone can get.

 

[Robert Jan]

Matt states class warfare as if it's a bad thing.

I say let's get it on.

Storm the fucking Winterpalace already.

 

[MAX 300]

I believe right now in Brazil, 2% of the population holds 80% of the money

That's a worse angle than the USA.

Book a 5 star hotel in Rio. You'll have a nice view of the slums from your suite.

Other countries being poorer than the US and having a rich elite with a large poor population doesn't mean that the US is not leading in inequality.

I don't think you can get a more inequitable society like the US has, because of it's super-wealthy elite, not Brazil or any other country has so many billionaires while at the same time still having an underclass.

Brazil and other third world countries have an unequal society as well, yes, but these countries are poor as it is. The US is super rich, just taxing the wealthiest 10 citizens could solve all of their problems stemming from unequal distribution of wealth.

 

[Robert Jan]

Oh sure I agree. That's why we need to revolt. If a revolution is coming in the USA, I'm on the first plane.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Funny joke, but not true.
Being poor in American can mean looking at your children and knowing that no matter how much you might wish for them to have a better life than you, they probably won't.

It can mean having to fear for your life every time you bring your groceries home (or walk to school). It can mean not being able to afford to feed the food to your children that you know would keep them healthy. And when they do get sick, it can mean not being able to afford the medicine that could save their lives. Finally, it can mean not having a roof over your head, and having to find hazardous shelter every time the sun goes down.

We may not have the excessive masses of poor folk that exist in some other countries, but for the increasing number of people here that are truly poor, it's a lot worse than not having 90 channels of crap to choose from. I don't think that what the Democrats are about is class warfare. Nobody's shouting to eat the rich. I think they're just talking about making sure that all Americans have the opportunity to pursue their own happiness. It doesn't seem like that unrealistic a goal. And it sure seems like it would be worthwhile.

We're not poor. We got a nice tax break from Bush and his folks, but as I said to Maj last night, I'd gladly do without that extra bit of blowable cash so that the folks around me could be happier.

Kerry stands up at a podium and says "all except those earning over $200K will keep their tax cut". In other words, if you earn over $200K, your taxes will go up.

$200K per year is far from rich. And this is not class warfare?

Edwards stads up there and says "there are two Americas, one for those who have achieved the American dream, and one for those still struggling to make ends meet"

How much more flagrant can the class warfare be than "two Americas" and "higher taxes for higher earners"??

 

[Spartacus]

America is the most economically divided country I have ever been to. And I have been to A lot of very poor and very wealthy countries. In fact I would bet that America is the most economically unequitable country in the world.

our poor people are fat though

 

[AAP]

If you listen to a John Kerry or John Edwards speech, you would think we are in a depression. The democrats are going to lose big in November. State by state polls have Bush ahead by a large margin in the electoral college. Edwards won't even help Kerry win his home state of North Carolina...lol. The only reason this ambulance chaser ran for Presifent was because he was certain to lose his next Senate bid.

Not really.


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