Jinotropin

[Beachboy6294]

Hey bros' I have never used this but I really think I'm going to try it after I finish this cycle. I wanted to know what would be a good dose amount for me to take my first time. I was looking to order 5 Jinotropin 100 IU Kits so would this be enough to get results or would I need to order even more? Thanks....

 

[ole farte']

u doing it for fat loss? 2iu ed to start with , bump up to 3 later, then 4iu. just see how you tolerate the higher doses.

 

[Beachboy6294]

Yes bro I'm doing it for fat loss and want to see how low I can get my BF while adding some size.

 

[52_21_30]

Yes bro I'm doing it for fat loss and want to see how low I can get my BF while adding some size.

2 iu ed for at least 6 months. So yeah, 5 kits is plenty.

 

[jmead]

ive been reading alot that if HGH is used alone its better to dose it EOD to keep from shutting down exogenous GH totally, and it actually works better compared to the 3 on 2 off, 5 on 2 off, ED methods there was a study posted over at DBB.com.. i too have been looking into growth.. though i dont think ill get on it quite yet.. just researchin for the future

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i think it all matters how old you are...if you are in your late 40's or older...imho i would say keep you levels stable and inject ed cause you arnt producing much by yourself....
as for us younger guys who are still producing it...it is important to run the eod protocal...so we dont suppress what we are releasing

 

[ur2insecure]

I have tried 4ius and 2ius and to honest 2ius work better for me, go a little water from 4ius and a bit more joint pain.

Try 2ius and take it from there,

 

[jmead]

i think it all matters how old you are...if you are in your late 40's or older...imho i would say keep you levels stable and inject ed cause you arnt producing much by yourself....
as for us younger guys who are still producing it...it is important to run the eod protocal...so we dont suppress what we are releasing

cauliflower, how old are you? are you currently on GH or plan on running it? ive been lookin into it alot recently.. just wanted to talk to some bros in their 20's to see how their running it

 

[lartinos]

cauliflower, how old are you? are you currently on GH or plan on running it? ive been lookin into it alot recently.. just wanted to talk to some bros in their 20's to see how their running it

For me i have to keep the dose low, even 2iu's a day make my fingers go numb. I'm going to try to bump the dose up again now that I've been on it for 6 weeks. I just feel it kicking, so far I like the stuff. I prefer igf-1 I think though because I get no sides and quicker results.

 

[jmead]

For me i have to keep the dose low, even 2iu's a day make my fingers go numb. I'm going to try to bump the dose up again now that I've been on it for 6 weeks. I just feel it kicking, so far I like the stuff. I prefer igf-1 I think though because I get no sides and quicker results.

igf is another thing im very interested in..

what is your dosing schedule on your GH, as far as shot times and days..

how did you run your igf.. i can read all i want but id rather hear personal experience

 

[52_21_30]

jmead, I'm 25 and I run GH @ 2 iu's daily. I tried 4 a while back and the only difference was increased bloat and sides. 2 iu's is perfect for me. You'll do much better with lower doses for L O N G E R periods of time than say 4-8 iu's daily for a couple of months.

 

[jmead]

jmead, I'm 25 and I run GH @ 2 iu's daily. I tried 4 a while back and the only difference was increased bloat and sides. 2 iu's is perfect for me. You'll do much better with lower doses for L O N G E R periods of time than say 4-8 iu's daily for a couple of months.

how long have you been on GH, have you came off since being on? any sides.. have you tried the EOD approach..

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

cauliflower, how old are you? are you currently on GH or plan on running it? ive been lookin into it alot recently.. just wanted to talk to some bros in their 20's to see how their running it

i am 23 and i ran it 4iu eod...it was good for me...really helped my grappling injuries...but i really think like the older guys say that gh is much better as the years go on...but for guys in my sport...it is really important...vanderlei silva, tito, chuck...all these guys are on lots of growth...best thing for recovery

 

[Nemisis RR]

i am 23 and i ran it 4iu eod...it was good for me...really helped my grappling injuries...but i really think like the older guys say that gh is much better as the years go on...but for guys in my sport...it is really important...vanderlei silva, tito, chuck...all these guys are on lots of growth...best thing for recovery

Did you ever experience any down regulation with the GH? Did you ever have your natural levels tested? Sorry to single you out but I am an active grappler and as I get closer to 40 training with young guys is getting harder and harder.

 

[Kachunga]

When you inject gh its in and out in 3 hours. So I'm not sure how anyone can figure that your body will stop producing its own (unless you inject right before bedtime)
I use 2iu's ed 7 days a week

 

[solidspine]

Everyone is different so you will know after a month on growth what is good for you


Don’t just take it



Ramp it up 2 iu, 3 iu, 4 iu, subq, also works better with gear.

 

[txbondsman]

what's all this nunbness of the fingers/hands stuff? How long does it last, etc. And from my readings, what is it T3 for thyroid, some use slin with it also, and a host of other things. What's up with all of that?

 

[txbondsman]

bump...
c'mon some of the guys that have been on for extended periods help a bro out here.
and, yes, I've read the archives on hgh, but no one mentioned how long the sides last, numbness could be a problem for me not being able to feel my trigger finger or the handcuffs. I'm 47....

 

[52_21_30]

In a nutshell, the sides from GH (numbness/tingling) are due to compression of the median nerve in the capal tunnel. GH causes hypertrophy of the flexor retinaculum, which is the fibrous structure on the palmar side of your wrist. The median nerve passes under it on it's way to the hand, and the compression causes the sides. T3/T4 work well with GH because GH seems to suppress endogenous TRH production (TRH from the hypothalamus stimulates the pituitary to release TSH which acts on the thyroid gland to release T4). Also, insulin is classically coupled with GH in bulking cycles (along with AAS). Insulin is the most anabolic substance known to man and works in the opposite way GH does (at least in terms of carbohydrate release versus storage). Also, using GH and T3/T4 with insulin will help minimize any fat gain from the slin (assuming a proper diet). That being said, none of the above compounds should be taken lightly or used by an uneducated novice. Overdoses of insulin and T3 particularly can cause very harmful sides, and even death.

 

[txbondsman]

now that's what I call a post gentlemen! anybody else after the good brothers analysis? I understood about 90% of that, pretty good for an ol' country boy from Texas.
It still doesn't say how long the sides last, six weeks, six months, or for the duration. I figure that when the dosages are increased, the sides come back again or worsten, is worsten a word, how about "get worse". I guess someone who doesn't know that shouldn't try GH, huh.
I did get the part that said for me not to try it, I got that much. The "uneducated novice" part clued me in on that one.

seriously 52, thanks for your knowledge and expertise, your words were not taken lightly, I appreciate it.
Tx

 

[jmead]

ok.. ive been looking into the whole HGH IGF route..

running GH and IGF.. are these two alone enough to inhibit mass gains/fat loss.. or do you have to toss insulin in there too, MOST of the articles ive been reading always include insulin, but honestly i dont want to fuck around with insulin..

so.. hypothetical situation..

im mid 20s.. want to run GH and IGF, im pretty much decided on the EOD GH dosing schedule..because id really like to avoid shutting down my GH production.. seeing as how im still kind of young

IGF ED, IM, in the evening 80-100mcg for how long? duration of igf cycles?

someone give me a sample of how id run it.. i can read all i want but every article has something different.. and im not platinum.. soooo BLEH

someone with experience running GH and IGF in their mid 20s.. howd you run it.. how were your results.. what were your sides.. you can PM me if you want... me and a few of my friends i lift with are researchin the shit out of it, but dont really know many people to talk to in person about it.. SO HERE I AM ONCE AGAIN.. thanks bros

once again i wrote a novel and im sorry haha..

 

[52_21_30]

Im 25, here's how i run it.

GH cycle for 9-12 months, overlaps with AAS cycles and IGF-1.

IGF-1 50-60 mcg ED pwo 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. GH 2 iu ED, either in the AM or 4-5 pm.

I haven't use insulin in a while, and I dont think I will anymore. Even with a super strict diet it's easy to add fat with slin. It's dangerous if not used carefully, and basically all it did was made me tired. This was back a few years ago, before I realized that genetically I was gifted in being able to add mass easily, and don't need insulin.

I've never been a proponent of the hi dosing of IGF. And most of the reviews I've read from people that have tried both state that they didnt notice any difference between 50 mcg and 100 mcg. But if you are sure that more is better for you, by all means have at it.

As far as what the combo offers that I've noticed, first of all, size, obviously. Second, amazing (and sometimes unfortunately painful) pumps from IGF. Third, increased hunger from the IGF but at the same time losing fat. Finally, being on GH for a long period of time WILL keep you leaner than you would have been without it. That does not mean that you can eat like a slob and get ripped. You can easily get fat when using GH, but all I'm saying is that you will be leaner with it than without it, all else being equal.

Also, you may find it advantageous (i surely do) to tweak your diet a bit on IGF. You will have increased hunger, and personally I always crave carbs. When using IGF I consume anywhere from 500-800 g of carbs a day. 100-150 are immediately post-workout, and another 150-200 are an hour after that. The point being IGF-1 will shove those carbs into your muscle cells and keep you pumped. This obviously is a good thing because by shoving the nutrients into your muscle cells you are providing the fuel needed for hypertrophy and, in the case of IGF, hyperplasia.

In summary, IGF-1 is almost as anabolic as insulin. It's safer to use, and does not have the propensity for making you gain a great deal of fat. Unfortunately it's nowhere as cheap as slin, but i'll take a vial of IGF over 10 vials of slin any day. If it makes it any easier, you may want to think of IGF as a smarter, more refined version of slin. Now I don't want to get technical as to how that statement is not biochemically correct per se, but for all intents and purposes, you can take it as being pretty accurate.

 

[ole farte']

bump...
c'mon some of the guys that have been on for extended periods help a bro out here.
and, yes, I've read the archives on hgh, but no one mentioned how long the sides last, numbness could be a problem for me not being able to feel my trigger finger or the handcuffs. I'm 47....

My fingers never got that numb from doing jin. i'm 53 and doing 4iu ed. when i ramped up from 2iu my fingers tingled and got slightly numb but only as i woke up in the mrng and lasted about 15min. never any problem at the gym. sleeping real good from it. started doing some igf and t-4 and no problems from that. no slin for me either. being a texan though , it might affect you worse than someone born and raised in La. we are extremely tough people.