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Jesus was a Black man.
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musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
Well, I certainly wouldn't expect you to, and I can't imagine my objecting to obvious satire. As I wrote Omega, if you find the posts that offensive, I will delete them. Just give me the word.
spentagn
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I personally find them offensive, not that anyone gives a damn. I really wish I hadn't logged on tonight, but oh well. What disgusts me is that if such satire (or disrespect) were shown by members towards other religions/beliefs, it would be viewed as callous and insensitive. Never will I apologize for having faith, and never will I ask anyone to apologize for either not having it or believing in something else. But I do expect respect, and I attempt to give it, especially regarding issues such as religion, which in my mind transcend all others. Frankly, I'm not surprised by some of the posters, but I honestly expected more out of mb. For someone who obviously has a deep sense of spirituality, your "satire" is without doubt offensive to many.
musclebrains
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spentagn said:
The satire, from the thread's outset, is of the PC effort to appropriate the image of Jesus as a minority's representative.
I'm glad you recognize that I have a spiritual life. And that includes deep indoctrination in the Christian faith. Fortunately, I was brought up in a Christian rational tradition that favors skepticism, wit and inquiry -- not knee-jerk reactions to what's on the surface.
spentagn
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musclebrains said:
I disagree. I believe strongchick was just being strongchick. She knew she could stir up all sorts of shit. She seems to also have an inherent dislike for Christianity. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Whatever the case, finals start next week, so like any economy, this resource of wit and political banter will be scarce.
smallmovesal
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nowhere did i say that people weren't allowed to have their religious beliefs.
i'm sorry if you took offense. for me it was in the spirit of dogma perhaps... which some catholics took offense to.
i'm sorry if you took offense. for me it was in the spirit of dogma perhaps... which some catholics took offense to.
68GT350
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I have to agree with Spentagn. He has stated words that I couldn't find. Perhaps, Musclebrains, you should rethink your spiritual standpoint.
To put it in perspective...It's fine to tease a close friend, but only so much. Eventually, that friend doesn't call anymore.
That's the best, with my limited intelligence, that I can explain how I feel.
To put it in perspective...It's fine to tease a close friend, but only so much. Eventually, that friend doesn't call anymore.
That's the best, with my limited intelligence, that I can explain how I feel.
smallmovesal
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68GT350 said:
ok... well i am sorry if i offended.
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musclebrains
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spentagn said:
Well, we read her motives differently then and I certainly feel confident about my own.
I can agree that in the course of satirizing the kitschification of Jesus, Jesus gets a bit soiled along with the kitschmakers. But it ought to be possible to disclose the kitsch without ascribing an explicitly sacreligious intention to the messengers. I'm sure you aware of the church's long history of debate over images.
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Warik
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Balls of Steel has shown more intelligence, albeit vulgar and insulting, than the collective sum of everyone else in this post.
I must say "shame on you" for those who criticize him on a daily basis.
Your comments are neither thought-provoking, intelligent, or even remotely mature. You are truly a disgrace to your species. A salute to genocide, to be more specific.
Good night.
-Warik
I must say "shame on you" for those who criticize him on a daily basis.
Your comments are neither thought-provoking, intelligent, or even remotely mature. You are truly a disgrace to your species. A salute to genocide, to be more specific.
Good night.
-Warik
smallmovesal
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i don't understand why people jump in and condemn others for having different beliefs. respect the fact that everyone is different.
i certainly don't... well, maybe as a lapsed catholic i enjoyed dogma WAAAY too much.
i certainly don't... well, maybe as a lapsed catholic i enjoyed dogma WAAAY too much.
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Warik
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68GT350 said:
I was referring to those who belittled and mocked Jesus as though he were a fictional character. News flash people, Jesus Christ really did exist and was really crucified for all the reasons those "silly" television specials that show up around Easter say. Was Christ truly the Son of God or God made man? Perhaps, perhaps not. Fact is that you're disrespecting someone who sacrificed himself under the belief it would save you - a salvation most of you, IMO, should experience a few minutes without.
How about we dedicate a thread to making fun of the hundreds of firefighters who died at the WTC tragedy trying to save any possible survivors buried in the rubble? Yeah, why don't we insult them? You'd have to be dumb and gay to enter a building that just got hit by an airplane thinking someone might still be alive. Hold on let me load up photoshop and paint the fire engines pink.
What about your family members or friends? Have any of your family members or friends lost their lives or injured themselves seriously for the sake of someone else? Well guess what - they were dumb homosexuals.
Pathetic children.
-Warik
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musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
You know, I'm sorry to say this, but ain't this just like Moses? It's my long experience that true believers show up when there's a party -- even when they don't have to -- and start talking down to the heathens. Now they come down from the mountain to smash the kitschified idolatry -- that was being dissed in the first place! And Warik, as usual, even reminds us of the genocidal proclivities of good Christians like himself.
Enjoy your smugness. In the morning, perhaps, I will take the images I contributed down. But first, I need to "rethink my spiritual standpoint." God knows, those 20 year old deacons of the Elite Church need their sense of sanctity back.
Hallelulja.
musclebrains
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What sarcasm?
musclebrains
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Warik said:
Nice try. But try harder.
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Warik
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musclebrains said:
1) I'm not a "good Christian."
2) proclivity - "a strong inherent inclination toward something objectionable"
2a) I don't believe in genocide. I simply stated that unintelligent comments such as those of you and others made genocide not seem like such a bad thing after all.
2b) Seeing as how the world would be a better place with a lesser degree of unintelligence such as that witnessed in this thread, I don't feel that "proclivity" is the proper word to be using. After all, genocide of this nature would not be something objectionable.
-Warik
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Warik
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musclebrains said:
Nice try. But try harder.
I'm skilled neither in the art of childish bickering nor in the art of self-degrading insults. Perhaps you could assist me with some instruction?
-Warik
spentagn
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musclebrains said:
Ok, so your post was meant as an insult? I showed up merely because there was a "party?" I fail to see how two or three posters classifies as a party. And especially considering how I was very civil in my tone, despite being bothered by some of the comments made.
musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
For the last time: The thread satirizes the kitschification of a religious figure. It does not attack Jesus unless you think the display of the image is inherently an attack. And if yoiu think that, you need to reconvene the council that made quite a different decision a millenium ago.
Ugh. Useless. Y'all rage on.
musclebrains
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Warik said:
I think you have nothing to learn of either.
musclebrains
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spentagn said:
This is useless really. Are you aware of the church's long history concerning images? Are you aware of the reasons why the representation of Christ was banned for centuries? Can you see any parallels in that history and what has occurred in an evening here?
Is it remotely possible that the intentions of the people here have little to do with your own emotional response to it?
I'm going to bed.
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Warik
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musclebrains said:
I disagree. I have much to learn about acting like a child on an Internet message board due to the fact that I have no knowledge of said behavior. Although, judging by that which was demonstrated here tonight, I have decided that I no longer wish to proceed with this learning endeavour.
Your post was not a satire of the kitschification (thanks BTW, I always love adding words to my vocabulary) of a religious figure. It was the kitschification of a religious figure.
-Warik
spentagn
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musclebrains said:
No, I'm a complete idiot. But thanks for patronizing everyone with your vast intelligence. I really wish you and Fonz would get into it, it'd be amusing.
musclebrains said:
You posted that if someone were offended, you'd remove your posts. I merely stated I was in fact offended, explained some of my reasons, and did so in a rational manner. You seek and ye shall find. I suppose you're done justifying your posts to yourself now. I hope you suckseeded.
Sushi X
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first of all to those who have mocked jesus and had fun at his expense, i feel for you when he returns. it's a scary thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. i'm not going to bash you or anything, i'll leave that to others to do. second, jesus was hebrew, ie jewish. he was neither black or white but more or less a tanish color. just like the first man was not black but the same color. that's right adam was of an arabic color. but back to the point, those that have made fun of jesus you have offended those who believe in him and call him lord. is this toleration, i think not. you liberals are supposed to be tolerable and mature but you have totally made yourselves hypocrits.
Rebelrocker
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Fucky ou all,Jesus wasn't a nigger hes was white and hetero!
gottagetbig
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not to sound like a church boy or anything but to even speek of jesus with such language suggest to me that you must not know him because to even place importances is his race or sexual orintation is not the kind of thing that what we have been told he belived in.nor is it the kind of thing that makes for a tighter human experience.to divide over such a stupid thought is not only not productive it goes aginst what god wants of us what ever he realy is...
gottagetbig
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well that was a trippp.when some one has somthing good to talk about let me [email protected] I check in alot at [email protected] as well
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ROMAGOLD
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Balls of Steel said:
musclebrains
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LOL indeed.
When all is said and done, it shouldn't matter shit if Jesus was black or gay. While I find the idea that Jesus was either in contemporary terms pure political kitsch, I don't think any of the images presented were a bit more shocking than those inside certain longstanding traditions of religious painting.
In any case, who's to say where or how spirit should dislcose itself? Years ago, my editor compelled me to spend a week in a town where Jesus had supposedly showed up as a ghostly image on a screen door. In a field 40 minutes from my home, the Blessed Mother put in routine appearances every week for a year, chatting with a neighborhood woman while entrepreneurs -- identical to those haunting every church in Rome -- peddled images that make those of this thread look like holy relics. I found both experiences silly on the surface, but eventually was moved to awe by the sheer power of the devotees. To me religion is the profoundest use of the imagination.
In Sri Aurobindo's ashram in Pondicherry, where I spent three months, everyone is drunk on god and profanation isn't an issue because god shows up in everything. In Sevilla, where I spent last Holy Week, huge and often tacky images of the Passsion are paraded through the streets night and day for about 10 days. Everyone gets drunk, smokes hash in the streets, and celebrates the pivotal story of western civilization. In Oxaca, they make totally irreverent images of the dead, including scenes from the Bible, and it's understood that by such "profanation," god is extended from the tomb to the living.
Owing to a remarkable childhood with a pair of grandparents who were mystics and concert musicians, I've spent my life in a spiritual quest and I'm always sorry to encounter a small god. On the mantel of my library is a jar full of bones in alcohol. It is a gift from a client of seven years -- a man who could take no pleasure in his life because of a punishing history inside a pentecostal sect. It's labeled: "With love, here are the remains of my small god."
I am sorry some people were offended by the images of this thread -- especially Omega, whose heart is good, and whose convictions are deep. Ditto for Spentagn. And I'm sorry too that I became angry.
But, honestly, there is no power in spirit where there are no iconoclasts. I will not post further on this thread and, because the two people I asked, did not want me to take down the images I contributed, I won't remove them.
This is an apology, in effect.
When all is said and done, it shouldn't matter shit if Jesus was black or gay. While I find the idea that Jesus was either in contemporary terms pure political kitsch, I don't think any of the images presented were a bit more shocking than those inside certain longstanding traditions of religious painting.
In any case, who's to say where or how spirit should dislcose itself? Years ago, my editor compelled me to spend a week in a town where Jesus had supposedly showed up as a ghostly image on a screen door. In a field 40 minutes from my home, the Blessed Mother put in routine appearances every week for a year, chatting with a neighborhood woman while entrepreneurs -- identical to those haunting every church in Rome -- peddled images that make those of this thread look like holy relics. I found both experiences silly on the surface, but eventually was moved to awe by the sheer power of the devotees. To me religion is the profoundest use of the imagination.
In Sri Aurobindo's ashram in Pondicherry, where I spent three months, everyone is drunk on god and profanation isn't an issue because god shows up in everything. In Sevilla, where I spent last Holy Week, huge and often tacky images of the Passsion are paraded through the streets night and day for about 10 days. Everyone gets drunk, smokes hash in the streets, and celebrates the pivotal story of western civilization. In Oxaca, they make totally irreverent images of the dead, including scenes from the Bible, and it's understood that by such "profanation," god is extended from the tomb to the living.
Owing to a remarkable childhood with a pair of grandparents who were mystics and concert musicians, I've spent my life in a spiritual quest and I'm always sorry to encounter a small god. On the mantel of my library is a jar full of bones in alcohol. It is a gift from a client of seven years -- a man who could take no pleasure in his life because of a punishing history inside a pentecostal sect. It's labeled: "With love, here are the remains of my small god."
I am sorry some people were offended by the images of this thread -- especially Omega, whose heart is good, and whose convictions are deep. Ditto for Spentagn. And I'm sorry too that I became angry.
But, honestly, there is no power in spirit where there are no iconoclasts. I will not post further on this thread and, because the two people I asked, did not want me to take down the images I contributed, I won't remove them.
This is an apology, in effect.
thebigugly
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"You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above, or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I the LORD your God am an impassioned God, visiting the guilt of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing kindness to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. “Does anyone see "But it's o.k. to make pictures and images of what we think Jesus looks like!" Jesus looks like the Son of God. He has no "special" place in his heart for color. "who ever believes in me shall be saved!" Don't you get the point? Go ahead worship your image of Jesus. You will find out in the end, he looks like all of us, not just a man of a certain color. BTW Jesus Gay? I don't think so. Please refrain from using religion to identify your right to be a homosexual. I find that totally offensive and disrespectful. You know who you are, and right or wrong in your own eyes, you will have to answer to ALL your sins in the end. Just remember this my friend, Jesus said, "Who ever believes in me shall be saved!"
the nature boy
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damn I was hoping this thread would go back to the bottom.
smallmovesal
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68gt, i'm sorry your monkey has a creepy looking ass 
musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
68 got lost in the shuffle.
Don't push it.
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dballer
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strongchick said:
Sure he was... whatever you say. Go ask mommy for your medicine now.
gottagetbig
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that jesus thing
hay brains you seem to know a lot ...to bad more of us out here don't show the same or rather don't have a more balanced thought process thank you for your insight in these times we live in it is good to know some one does not have their head stuck....
hay brains you seem to know a lot ...to bad more of us out here don't show the same or rather don't have a more balanced thought process thank you for your insight in these times we live in it is good to know some one does not have their head stuck....
the nature boy
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Formula said:
so you're saying he wasn't born in Bethlehem but in the barrio?
