Jenetic, Vet's imput please

[bw1]

Cycle laid out as follows:

Deca wks 1-8 400mg/wk
Primo wk 1-3 400mg/wk
Primo wk 4-8 600mg/wk
Anavar wk 4-8 30mg daily
Wks 5-10 Proviron 25mg/ED
Wks 8-10 HCG 1000iu 3x Wk
Wks 11-16 EQ 100mg 3x Wk
Wks 11-16 Wins. Dep wk 11 50mg 3xwk, wk12 50mg 4xwk, wk13 100mg 3xwk, wk 14-15 50 mg 7x wk, wk 16 100mg 3x wk.
Wks 17-19 HCG 1000 iu's 3 x wk
Wks 17-20 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Should I extend Nolvadex to be a total of 6 weeks for PCT? Since cycle is long should I run clomid with nolvadex for PCT? Cycle also called for nolvadex to be run with proviron mid cycle @ 10 mg ED but from what I have read here it should be run mid cycle only if gyno appears, correct? Any other suggestions?

 

[liquidmuscle]

Cycle laid out as follows:

Deca wks 1-8 400mg/wk
Primo wk 1-3 400mg/wk
Primo wk 4-8 600mg/wk
Anavar wk 4-8 30mg daily
Wks 5-10 Proviron 25mg/ED
Wks 8-10 HCG 1000iu 3x Wk
Wks 11-16 EQ 100mg 3x Wk
Wks 11-16 Wins. Dep wk 11 50mg 3xwk, wk12 50mg 4xwk, wk13 100mg 3xwk, wk 14-15 50 mg 7x wk, wk 16 100mg 3x wk.
Wks 17-19 HCG 1000 iu's 3 x wk
Wks 17-20 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Should I extend Nolvadex to be a total of 6 weeks for PCT? Since cycle is long should I run clomid with nolvadex for PCT? Cycle also called for nolvadex to be run with proviron mid cycle @ 10 mg ED but from what I have read here it should be run mid cycle only if gyno appears, correct? Any other suggestions?

why so long and what about a anti e during cycle?..i def recommend 6wks pct as well as clomid 50mgs ed,nolv 20mgs ed,hcg for the 1st 2 wks at 1000ius mon,wed,fri get blood work done before during and after cycle as well

 

[bw1]

why so long and what about a anti e during cycle?..i def recommend 6wks pct as well as clomid 50mgs ed,nolv 20mgs ed,hcg for the 1st 2 wks at 1000ius mon,wed,fri get blood work done before during and after cycle as well

OK, will run pct 6 weeks with hcg,clomid and nolvadex with 2 weeks clean to follow that. I have proviron weeks 5-10. What anti-e/dose do you recommend I add during cycle? Thanks for your imput!

 

[liquidmuscle]

use arimidex @ 1 tab eod during cycle to avoid edema and other estrogen sides, get blood work done before,during,after cycle if you need help getting a blood test scheduled ask Dr JMW he can point you in the right direction

 

[bw1]

use arimidex @ 1 tab eod during cycle to avoid edema and other estrogen sides, get blood work done before,during,after cycle if you need help getting a blood test scheduled ask Dr JMW he can point you in the right direction

Thanks, LM

 

[Jenetic]

If you plan on running the cycle as planned, go with LM's advice. I would also agree with LM's statement in regards to the duration of your cycle.

You will obtain plenty of mileage with the following:

300 mgs Decca weeks 1-10 and 40 mgs Anavar ED weeks 1-12 followed immediately with PCT. The only other things I would add in are 0.5 mgs Dostinex E4D to offset the build up of Prolactin from Decca which is associated with gynecomastia and decreased libido, your basic liver protectants and 2% Nizoral shampoo as an additional layer of protection against the possible hariloss from Anavar which is a DHT derrivitive.

PCT will consist of 1,000-1,500 IU's HCG EOD (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 4 weeks followed with bloodwork to evaluate your recovery.

Jenetic

 

[bw1]

If you plan on running the cycle as planned, go with LM's advice. I would also agree with LM's statement in regards to the duration of your cycle.


Jenetic

Jenitic,Drjmw,LM... If I run the cycle as laid out, adjusting it according to Liquid Muscle's recommendations. Should I run proviron from week 5 through week 16 and stopping proviron prior to pct? or should I run proviron weeks 5-8 stopping while I do my mid cycle hcg and then picking it up again weeks 11-16..Reading conflictin proviron info...Can you guys clear this up for me? Should nolva be in prior to pct with proviron or for pct only? Oh by the way love this pct forum! Good info from all of you!

 

[liquidmuscle]

never personally used proviron so i cant help you there, as far as nolv goes ppl use it during cycle and pct however with adex being there during cycle there is no need save the nolv for pct only

 

[bw1]

never personally used proviron so i cant help you there, as far as nolv goes ppl use it during cycle and pct however with adex being there during cycle there is no need save the nolv for pct only

Thanks, LM! I think I am leaning towards running proviron weeks 5-8, hcg weeks 8-10 and then proviron, winny & EQ weeks 11-16 and keeping nolva for pct. Hopefully I can get Jenitic's imput on this one...

 

[liquidmuscle]

jen is the man

 

[Jenetic]

Hopefully I can get Jenitic's imput on this one...

bw1,

What is the reason that you are running Proviron in the first place? Also, what is the primary objective of the cycle and is there any particular reason why you chose to stack the different drugs the way you have listed?

Jenetic

 

[bw1]

bw1,

What is the reason that you are running Proviron in the first place? Also, what is the primary objective of the cycle and is there any particular reason why you chose to stack the different drugs the way you have listed?

Jenetic

Jenetic...The idea for the way I have the cycle laid out is to use the deca,primo,var to gain as much quality size as I can...then introducing the proviron towards the end of the deca to minimize water retention, keep the sex drive going and get ready to harden the new muscle.. then follow that with winny/eq/proviron to obtain lean hardness...Kind of a bulk followed by a hardner...

 

[Jenetic]

The main problem I see in this cycle is running so many DHT derrivitives togther for an extended period of time. I'm sure you are aware of them, but let me know if you are not. I am not familiar with your AAS experience, but anyone who has used Primobolan, Winstrol and Anavar can testify that either one of those substances exert DHT related side effects, particularly hairloss and acne. Personally, I love Primobolan. The cost, benefits and side effects don't seem to justify adding it in at this point in time. Also, most users experience joint pain with Winstrol. Obviously, the side effects are dependant on the dosage, duration and individual genetic predisposition. Do not be fooled by most of the information you have read out there that says they are very mild.

Next, Proviron. The last thing you need is more DHT activity. There really isn't any point running Proviron in this particular scenario for the reasons you have listed. The water retention, if any, is not permanent and will subside shortly after the discontinuation of Decca. What you should be concerned about is the Prolactin related gynecomasita and decreased libido attributed by the progestinic activity expressed by Nandrolones. This can be solved by either taking dostinex or prevented by taking Winstrol. Im sure you can see by now that Winstrol and Decca have a synergistic effect.

The only thing that I could suggest further would be to run the 300 mgs Decca EW and 50 mgs Winstrol for the first 8 weeks followed by 400 mgs EQ and 40 mgs Anavar ED for the next 8 weeks. Afterwards, run 50 mgs Proviron ED by itself for 1 week (or whatever half life is of EQ) primarily to keep your androgen:estrogen ratio more favorable as you prepare for PCT. This cycle should yeild the similar gains with far less side effects.

PCT would consist of 1,500 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 4 weeks followed by 50 mgs Clomid ED in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 2 weeks.

Diet will play a major factor on your results. I believe that by increasing your calories a bit, primarily to match your increased expenditure from training and to supply additional nutrients in conjunction with adjusting your macronutrient ratios to maximize hypertrophy and use stored fat for energy will provide the most optimal enviroment for you goals. Something like 55-65% Protein, 25-30% Carbs and 15-25% Fats.

Does that make sense? I'm in the process of dieting right now and my brain is running slower than usual. Let me know if I missed out on anything.

Jenetic

 

[bw1]

Jenitic....Good stuff my friend! Your are making perfect sense (your diet is not slowing you down yet )...The more I learn, the more questions I have. Your creating a monster here

 

[liquidmuscle]

Jenitic....Good stuff my friend! Your are making perfect sense (your diet is not slowing you down yet )...The more I learn, the more questions I have. Your creating a monster here

def a asset to this forum and all other aas forums