Jenetic or Dr JMW PCT question

[mobro]

Does your PCT protocols differ when dealing with AAS such as tren and Deca? Or do you still recommend the same as in your stickies? (nolvadex or not?)

 

[DMI]

Jenetic has been gone a long while. Anyone know anything as to his whereabouts?

 

[mobro]

Did they go when the others did? Damn, they had some very good, simple PCT plans.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Their PCT regimens are ok for guidelines, but definitely not made for everyone. Plus, PCT, like anything else, evolves... eventually, you determine what your body best responds to and you stick with it. To answer your question, you probably should run somewhat different PCT's for different cycles. It's been theorized that nolva shouldn't be used during or after a cycle containing progestins (deca or tren). Ultimately, it comes down to your preference: clomid or nolva? HCG is a good idea for longer and more suppressing cycles, but it's not always necessary. And if you use HCG, you should be running an AI as well (for estrogen sides). I personally also like to throw in IGF during PCT, along with several other OTC supplements.

 

[mobro]

Where here ya a question then.
I ran several cycles, including deca and tren, w/o a good PCT. The last cycle was Sust. only and PCT got screwed up, even though it was planned. Stupid I know, so don't flame my ass to bad. Well of course I have some shrinkage so I start a HCG/nolva regimen to try to get them back in shape before I start another cycle. Taking HCG 1500iu MOn/Wed/Fri and 10 mg of Nolva daily for the last week. They have started to drop a little I think. Do you think this is sufficient? How long should this take to see things back to normal? Any help appreciated with Karma.

 

[lartinos]

I would throw in some cabaser into your post cycle

 

[njmuscleguy]

Where here ya a question then.
I ran several cycles, including deca and tren, w/o a good PCT. The last cycle was Sust. only and PCT got screwed up, even though it was planned. Stupid I know, so don't flame my ass to bad. Well of course I have some shrinkage so I start a HCG/nolva regimen to try to get them back in shape before I start another cycle. Taking HCG 1500iu MOn/Wed/Fri and 10 mg of Nolva daily for the last week. They have started to drop a little I think. Do you think this is sufficient? How long should this take to see things back to normal? Any help appreciated with Karma.

I personally won't ever do HCG at higher dosage than 500iu ED, and for 10 days maximum... I'll also run HCG at the end of the cycle (for shorter cycles) and in the middle for longer cycles. If you're running HCG after the cycle's over, you better run an AI at the same time, and up to 1 week after your last HCG shot. HCG increases estrogenic activity. I forget the recommended dosage of nolva, either 10 or 10mg daily for about 4-6 weeks. Careful though because nolva can kill your libido.

 

[mobro]

Why so low of a dosage? And if not nolva with HCG what would be better? I don't want to kill libidio, actually just the opposite. I think I am going to change my dosage to 500iu ed. I can tell the days that I don't take it and I want to keep my levels the same.

Why do you guys mention cabasar? Don't hear much about that one. Thanks guys.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Some studies have shown that as little as 250-500iu of HCG daily for a period of 10-14 days is effective in raising test levels. So why use much higher dosages, especially at the expense of experiencing more side effects?

As for better than nolva, my vote would be clomid. It's been far more effective, but it has its own side effects too: feelings of depression, moodiness, visual floaters. Some accept these side effects, some don't.

Cabeser is Dostinex... it helps lower prolactin levels which effects your libido. Cabaser is good to take while on cycle when taking Deca or Tren. Not sure it has any benefit during PCT. Just stick to HCG, Clomid and an AI (such as aromasin or Arimidex or AIFM)