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its not all about mass!!

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proportion, symmetry, definition, and low bf are much more important in winning competitions than mass.

thats why dexter won the latest arnold.
there were guys much bigger than him there.
he won cause he has the ultimate physique

mass is great..
but means not much at 12% bf.
and even mass at 5% bf dont mean much if proportion isnt there.
thast why ruhl will NEVER EVER win.

who would win this contest:

gustavo at 10%
ruhl at 4%
dexter at 6%

???
 
Dexter.

Of course bro...i agree thats the basics of judging. Symetry, leannes, muscle defenition, posing, size.
 
agreed. dex is the man. symmetry is all there and so is the fullness of the muscles.
remeber the olympia where he lost to ronnie in abs, that was crazy.
 
Quality will definetly take you further than quantity. I don't compete but seeing the champs definition, seperation, and those sick striations are always way more impressive than the pure mass look with a ton of bloat and no definition like some of the guys that work out at the same gym I'm in have. they may move a ton of weight but they couldn't hit a pose if their life depended on it
 
I agree with your points. However, there is no way in hell the judges would give the show to dexter if his bf was 2% higher than ruyhls.
 
fuck that...i want mass, loads and loads of mass....im not cut at all but i dont have a gut either, and weighing 225 at 6 foot and having people move out of your way is priceless
:) j/k
i do want mass but i agree, in bodybuilding all thoughs factors matter a lot
 
a lot of people like to compare themselves to dexter, using him as an arguement that mass isnt everything. What people seem to forget, is that dexter is HUGE, 230lbs on stage at 5'7 is one big bastard, just not as big as some of the other top guys...
He is still bigger than anyone on this board is ever likely to even get close to, so some perspective is in order
 
Well, IMHO, symmetry and development are the things that make a physique look great. Mass doesn't mean development. It's just mass. The shape and "look" of a muscle is what matters. I have mass and I can care less that I do. My body just tends to be thick. But I would much rather have symmetry and shape. It just looks better. Ruhl looks aweful and so does Baddell compared to Dex. But I'm subjective in my opinion because I always admired guys like Shawn Ray, Fancis Benafatto, and Vince Taylor. They weren't mass monsters,and they suffered for it (which has been the case in modern bodybuilding) but they had legendary builds.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Sure thay would
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No way, theres probably not a 2% bf difference in first and 15th place. Not to say its all about bf, but if dex cam in 2% higher than he always has, he probably wouldnt finish top 6, or maybe even top 10.
 
mts198 said:
weighing 225 at 6 foot and having people move out of your way is priceless
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Got to love it when people look at you with a blank face and side step you!
Priceless is right!

Sorry,off the subject but that was a good statement! :supercool
 
needsize said:
a lot of people like to compare themselves to dexter, using him as an arguement that mass isnt everything. What people seem to forget, is that dexter is HUGE, 230lbs on stage at 5'7 is one big bastard, just not as big as some of the other top guys...
He is still bigger than anyone on this board is ever likely to even get close to, so some perspective is in order
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yeah bro but he wasnt always that big.
5 years ago he was about 30 pounds lighter and still looked fuckin incredible!!
 
satchboogie said:
yeah bro but he wasnt always that big.
5 years ago he was about 30 pounds lighter and still looked fuckin incredible!!
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you can be that small and still look great if you have the small frame, and symmetry to go with it, which he did have. But the way he is now, people tend to forget how big he really is, he's around 15lbs bigger than quadsweep, who is by far the biggest guy on elite
 
exactly, when you have a 28 inch waist you look awesome if your 200 pounds even or 190. at 5%. i think dexter is the best built bodybuilder today period. the others are giant freaks that they pick for shere size. dexter is perfect like arnold was
 
c17 said:
agreed. dex is the man. symmetry is all there and so is the fullness of the muscles.
remeber the olympia where he lost to ronnie in abs, that was crazy.
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What everyone seems to forget is that it isn't just an ab shot, I believe it's called ab and thigh. No one's wheels touch Ronnies.
 
needsize said:
a lot of people like to compare themselves to dexter, using him as an arguement that mass isnt everything. What people seem to forget, is that dexter is HUGE, 230lbs on stage at 5'7 is one big bastard, just not as big as some of the other top guys...
He is still bigger than anyone on this board is ever likely to even get close to, so some perspective is in order
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Very good point! I think people see his bodyweight and think he isn't that big. As a guy who competes, 230 is fucking huge on stage at 5'7. It's not like the guy has a Frank Zane type body. No he wouldn't win a pro show at 6% bodyfat either, no pro would.
 
satchboogie said:
yeah bro but he wasnt always that big.
5 years ago he was about 30 pounds lighter and still looked fuckin incredible!!
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Agreed that he still looked good, but he wan't getting placings then either. The same way Darrem Charles will never do damage in a big show. Does he have a beautiful physique? Hell yes! That doesn't mean he is a top tier bodybuilder though.
 
I used to be all about the mass before joining this site. I never really had a problem with too much fat though. Now I'm big enough to where it's all about the shred baby! Nothin but lean gains from here on out.
 
krishna said:
I used to be all about the mass before joining this site. I never really had a problem with too much fat though. Now I'm big enough to where it's all about the shred baby! Nothin but lean gains from here on out.
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I totally agree I was always playing football and my thing was bigger faster and stronger can care less about being ripped even though I kept decent BF so now 250lbs no more football looking to get shredded I watched for the first time Pumping Iron and I was amazed how this guys were built they look incredible and something ladies would apreciate no like pros now so going for the route that is attainable. For now on cutting time but is true what someone said when you got the size you love how people step aside!!! but not a real pleaser with the ladies!!
 
People stepping aside is priceless? To me, its just courtesy. I weigh less than 185 and if I want someone to move, anyone, I ask nicely...and they move.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
People stepping aside is priceless? To me, its just courtesy. I weigh less than 185 and if I want someone to move, anyone, I ask nicely...and they move.
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We have a gentleman in our midst, I like it. You're not a meathead, that's a beautiful thing!
 
I like how people get off by others getting out of there way :rolleyes: now i know why we are so heavily stereotyped.

I am not an animal, I am a bodybuildah!
 
I'm 5'8" and 260+lbs, and I get out of other peoples way, guess I'm doing it wrong
 
needsize said:
a lot of people like to compare themselves to dexter, using him as an arguement that mass isnt everything. What people seem to forget, is that dexter is HUGE, 230lbs on stage at 5'7 is one big bastard, just not as big as some of the other top guys...
He is still bigger than anyone on this board is ever likely to even get close to, so some perspective is in order
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Shit lol he is about my height like 40 lbs heavier and a few percentages lower in BF heh scary. :worried:
 
have met dexter in person a couple of times(2002 & 2003). He is a huge guy. Also, the low bf vs mass thing. i can be 10 or 15 pounds heavier in the winter and fall/ or spring and get nice compliments. Yet, in the dead-middle of summer when I am 10-15 lighter and ripped, that is the times when people say Da-- you've gotten big--yet I will be lighter then ever. If you weigh 200 or 220+ w/ a considerably high bf--then drop down some bf and a few pounds and see if people don't notice and think that you've gotten bigger. When in actuallity they just see more of your muscle.
One more thing, drop down a shirt size, you'll be suprised!:)
 
needsize said:
I'm 5'8" and 260+lbs, and I get out of other peoples way
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Thats how it should be, thank you! Your a monster, you ain't gotta prove shit or validate yourself by making others feel inferior. Props to you and anyone else who shares your mentality.

M18
 
KenBraggofCarroltonGA said:
have met dexter in person a couple of times(2002 & 2003). He is a huge guy. Also, the low bf vs mass thing. i can be 10 or 15 pounds heavier in the winter and fall/ or spring and get nice compliments. Yet, in the dead-middle of summer when I am 10-15 lighter and ripped, that is the times when people say Da-- you've gotten big--yet I will be lighter then ever. If you weigh 200 or 220+ w/ a considerably high bf--then drop down some bf and a few pounds and see if people don't notice and think that you've gotten bigger. When in actuallity they just see more of your muscle.
One more thing, drop down a shirt size, you'll be suprised!:)
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People say I'm bigger when I'm lighter and more cut too. I totally agree.
 
satchboogie said:
proportion, symmetry, definition, and low bf are much more important in winning competitions than mass.
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True that , competitions aside, those things are still important. Nothing more silly looking than a potato on two toothpicks.

On a slightly different track, what about strength?
I just finish PCT, did loose about 5lbs of the 13lb gained.
But I kept , in fact gained strength since coming off ?
Perhaps it's just that since starting my first cycle I changed my work out and eating habits or is there some other cause?
 
do you people know what "j/k" means???
when i said stepped aside i had j/k there
its a joke people you know "haha funny funny"
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
Thats how it should be, thank you! Your a monster, you ain't gotta prove shit or validate yourself by making others feel inferior. Props to you and anyone else who shares your mentality.

M18
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Absolutely!
 
you have to admit, though, that the ultimate flattery is when walking without a shirt and dudes stare at you more than chics...

i aint a half a fag or nothing but it means more when a dude stares..
and he's probably all like "damn that motherfucka is huge.. i wish i was like him"
 
satchboogie said:
you have to admit, though, that the ultimate flattery is when walking without a shirt and dudes stare at you more than chics...

i aint a half a fag or nothing but it means more when a dude stares..
and he's probably all like "damn that motherfucka is huge.. i wish i was like him"
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Satch , Ive never cut a day in my life and thats every day for me . Most ppl just realise that I can pick them up and hurl them about a State . Ive never been "Ripped" though , I wonder what I would Look like if I was ?

My family Genetics dont Really "Lend" itself to that Look however , Im 6'6"/400 lbs ... http://photobucket.com/albums/y40/Djimbe/

You guys are the Experts , what would I have to take to look "ripped" ? TRUST me when I say that putting on Muscle Mass is NOT Any kind of Issue - these are pics of me AFTER being a Couch Potato for three years due to being the Victim of a Vehicle/Pedestrian accident .

Heck , Do you guys think I could Get Sponsored or something with a good Chemical Gameplan ?
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
Thats how it should be, thank you! Your a monster, you ain't gotta prove shit or validate yourself by making others feel inferior. Props to you and anyone else who shares your mentality.

M18
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thanks, its too easy to remember being 120lbs to go around being a dick because I'm bigger than others now
 
needsize said:
thanks, its too easy to remember being 120lbs to go around being a dick because I'm bigger than others now
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Exactly. I'll never use my size to push around smaller people, because, fuck, I used to be one of those guys. If anything, I'm usually nicer to guys who are smaller, cus in a way I feel bad for them.
 
BOOEY said:
Exactly. I'll never use my size to push around smaller people, because, fuck, I used to be one of those guys. If anything, I'm usually nicer to guys who are smaller, cus in a way I feel bad for them.
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so true!
 
lol yeah thats a very good point NS. Guys who are a 'cut and lean' 165lbs shouldn't really compare themselves with a monster like dexter... not saying anyone on this thread is, but someone who's like 260+ offseason at that height is a walking wall of muscle. these guys are all huge beasts... now, someone like Zane is a good example because I guess there's several people here who actually do carry more size than he did (altho not at that level of bf)
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
Thats how it should be, thank you! Your a monster, you ain't gotta prove shit or validate yourself by making others feel inferior. Props to you and anyone else who shares your mentality.

M18
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I totally agree with that! It's not about walking around thinking you demand respect because your life revolves around the gym. Be a gentleman, show someone you aren't just a musclehead who thinks the world owes him respect. Earn their respect by conducting yourself like an intelligent human being.
 
Silverbackn...you sound like a smart bro...from this and some other posts.

Needsize-
"I'm 5'8" and 260+lbs, and I get out of other peoples way, guess I'm doing it wrong"

Exactly bro....plus its much funner when someone by the water fountain is up for their turn and waves you in " like go ahead man please" or trys to give up their turn....and you shrug it off and tell them to go and take their time. The look on their face is priceless. "Damn that guy is not a moron...and is pretty damn confident"

I hate the people in the gym who are a little juiced up or strait up small and walk around with water mellons under their lats.
 
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