Hollywood131
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Is it really possible for a human to communicate with the "spirit" of a dead loved one?
Eccl. 9:5,6, 10: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all....Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no more portion anymore to time indefinate in anything that has been done under the sun. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devised knowledge nor wisdom in Shoel [the grave], the place to which you are going."
Ezek. 18:4, 20: "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die."(So the soul is not something that survives the death of the body and with which living humans can thereafter communicate.)
Ps.146:4:"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."(When the spirit is said to 'go out' of the body, this is merely another way of saying that the life-force has ceased to be active. Thus, after a person dies, his spirit does not exist as an immaterial being that can think and carry out plans apart from the body. It is not something with which the living can communicate after a person's death.)
Does not the Bible indicate that King Saul communicated with the prophet Samuel after Samuel's death?
The account is found at 1 Samuel 28:3-20. Verses 13, 14 show that Saul himself did not see Samuel but only assumed from the description given by the spirit medium that he saw Samuel. Saul desperately wanted to believe that it was Samuel and so let himself be decieved. Verse 3 says that Samuel was dead and buried. The scriptues quoted under the preceeding subheading make clear that there was no part of Samuel that was alive in another realm and able to communicate with Saul. The voice that pretended to be that of Samuel was that of an imposter.
With whom are those that endeaver to speak with the dead actually communicating?
The truth about the condition of the dead is clearly stated in the Bible. But who tried to deceive the first human pair about death? Satan contradicted God's warning that disobediance would bring death. (Gen. 3:4; Rev. 12:9) In time, of course, it became obvious that humans did die as God said they would. Reasonably, then, who was responsible for inventing the idea that humans really do not die but that some spirit part of man survives the death of the body? Such a deception fits Satan the Devil, whom Jesus described as "the father of the lie."(John 8:44; also 2 Thessalonians 2: 9,10.)
Eccl. 9:5,6, 10: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all....Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no more portion anymore to time indefinate in anything that has been done under the sun. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devised knowledge nor wisdom in Shoel [the grave], the place to which you are going."
Ezek. 18:4, 20: "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die."(So the soul is not something that survives the death of the body and with which living humans can thereafter communicate.)
Ps.146:4:"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."(When the spirit is said to 'go out' of the body, this is merely another way of saying that the life-force has ceased to be active. Thus, after a person dies, his spirit does not exist as an immaterial being that can think and carry out plans apart from the body. It is not something with which the living can communicate after a person's death.)
Does not the Bible indicate that King Saul communicated with the prophet Samuel after Samuel's death?
The account is found at 1 Samuel 28:3-20. Verses 13, 14 show that Saul himself did not see Samuel but only assumed from the description given by the spirit medium that he saw Samuel. Saul desperately wanted to believe that it was Samuel and so let himself be decieved. Verse 3 says that Samuel was dead and buried. The scriptues quoted under the preceeding subheading make clear that there was no part of Samuel that was alive in another realm and able to communicate with Saul. The voice that pretended to be that of Samuel was that of an imposter.
With whom are those that endeaver to speak with the dead actually communicating?
The truth about the condition of the dead is clearly stated in the Bible. But who tried to deceive the first human pair about death? Satan contradicted God's warning that disobediance would bring death. (Gen. 3:4; Rev. 12:9) In time, of course, it became obvious that humans did die as God said they would. Reasonably, then, who was responsible for inventing the idea that humans really do not die but that some spirit part of man survives the death of the body? Such a deception fits Satan the Devil, whom Jesus described as "the father of the lie."(John 8:44; also 2 Thessalonians 2: 9,10.)