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It is not possible to communicate with the dead.

Hollywood131

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Is it really possible for a human to communicate with the "spirit" of a dead loved one?

Eccl. 9:5,6, 10: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all....Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no more portion anymore to time indefinate in anything that has been done under the sun. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devised knowledge nor wisdom in Shoel [the grave], the place to which you are going."

Ezek. 18:4, 20: "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die."(So the soul is not something that survives the death of the body and with which living humans can thereafter communicate.)

Ps.146:4:"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."(When the spirit is said to 'go out' of the body, this is merely another way of saying that the life-force has ceased to be active. Thus, after a person dies, his spirit does not exist as an immaterial being that can think and carry out plans apart from the body. It is not something with which the living can communicate after a person's death.)

Does not the Bible indicate that King Saul communicated with the prophet Samuel after Samuel's death?

The account is found at 1 Samuel 28:3-20. Verses 13, 14 show that Saul himself did not see Samuel but only assumed from the description given by the spirit medium that he saw Samuel. Saul desperately wanted to believe that it was Samuel and so let himself be decieved. Verse 3 says that Samuel was dead and buried. The scriptues quoted under the preceeding subheading make clear that there was no part of Samuel that was alive in another realm and able to communicate with Saul. The voice that pretended to be that of Samuel was that of an imposter.

With whom are those that endeaver to speak with the dead actually communicating?

The truth about the condition of the dead is clearly stated in the Bible. But who tried to deceive the first human pair about death? Satan contradicted God's warning that disobediance would bring death. (Gen. 3:4; Rev. 12:9) In time, of course, it became obvious that humans did die as God said they would. Reasonably, then, who was responsible for inventing the idea that humans really do not die but that some spirit part of man survives the death of the body? Such a deception fits Satan the Devil, whom Jesus described as "the father of the lie."(John 8:44; also 2 Thessalonians 2: 9,10.)
 
I don't know about communicating with the dead but God said, "Believe in Me for I have prepared a place for you in Heaven beside Me."

So, I guess God is responsible for that idea.
 
Do all good people go to heaven?

Acts 2:34: "David[whom the Bible refers to as being 'a man agreeable to Jehovah's heart] did not ascend to the heavens."

Matt. 11:11 "Truly I say to you people, Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lessor one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is."(So John did not go to heaven when he died.)

Ps. 37:9,11,29:"Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth...The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

If all good people go to heaven, why did Jesus resurrect Lazarus. Lazarus was a good man. If he had ascended to heaven, would it not have been a terrible diservice to bring him back to life in this world? Upon being resurrectd; however, Lazarus made no mention of being in any sort of spiritual paradise.

To how many does the Bible hold out a hope of heavenly life?

Luke 12:32: "Have no fear, little flock, becasue your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."

Rev.14:1-3:"I saw, and, look! the Lamb[Jesus Christ] standing upon the Mount Zion[in heaven;see Hebrews 12:22-24] and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of the Father written on their foreheads...And they are singing as if a new song...and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth."

Rev. 7:4-8:"I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:...Judah...Reuban...Gad...Asher...Naphtali...Manasseh...Simeon...Levi...Issachar...Zebulum...Joseph...Benjamin."(These cannot be the tribes of natural Israel becasue there never was a tribe of joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the Levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See Numbers 1:4-16.)


Is the number 144,000 merely symbolic?

The answer is indicated by the fact that, after mention of the definate number 144,000, Revelation 7:9 refers to "a great crowd, which no man was able to number." If the number 144,000 were not literal it would lack meaning as a contrast to the "great crowd." Viewing the number as literal agrees with Jesus' statement at Matthew 22:14 regarding the Kingdom of the heavens:"There will be many invited, but few chosen."

Do those of the "great crowd" referred to at Revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?

Revealtion does not say of them, as it does of the 144,000 that they are "bought from the earth" to be with Christ on heavenly Mount Zion.-Rev. 14:1-3

The description of them "standing before the throne and before the Lamb" indicates, not necessarily a location, but an approved condition.(Compare Revelation 6:17; Luke 21:36) The expression "before the throne" does not require that they be in heaven. Their position is simply "in sight" of God, who tells us that from heaven he beholds the sons of men.-Ps. 11:4; compare Matthew 25:31-33; Luke 1:74; Acts 10:33.

The "great crowd in heaven" referred to at Rev. 19:1,6 is not the same as the "great crowd" of Rev. 7:9. The ones in heaven are not described as being "out of all nations" or as ascribing their salvation to the Lamb; they are angels. The expression "great crowd" is used in a variety of contexts in the Bible.-Mark 5:24; 6:34; 12:37.

What will those who go to heaven do their?

Rev. 20:6:"They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for a thousand years."(Also Daniel 7:27)

1 Cor. 6:2: " Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world?"

Rev. 5:10:"You made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."
 
Hollywood131 said:

What will those who go to heaven do their?



Hopefully heaven will have 18 of the finest golf holes ever assembled in one place.

I think I will buy a new set of clubs and get ready.

I wonder if you need a tee time?
 
HumorMe said:



Hopefully heaven will have 18 of the finest golf holes ever assembled in one place.

I think I will buy a new set of clubs and get ready.

I wonder if you need a tee time?

Perhaps it will be the only course that allows unlimited mulligans.
 
Unfortunately,I disagree with this,based on my own first hand experiences.I have,along with up to 15 other people,HEARD voices talk.Now,if it was just myself,I might dismiss the possibility as being an overactive imagination,but when that many people all hear the same thing,something unexplainable was definitely abounding.I have also heard many EVP's where a person was alone in a location,asks a series of questions,and you can clearly hear a voice responding back.I don't totally dismiss the written word,but I do think that there are certain things written a couple thousand years ago that were a little on the rigid,close-minded side.I think there is so much more out there we don't understand than what we think we do.
 
Gee....

Could you open a bigger can of worms?

In theology, there are two camps that represent 2/3 and 1/3 of theological thought on death and the soul. The first says your soul survives death....going into Hell or to Heaven immediately. The latter says your soul means "breath of life" and ceases to be when you die. You will be aware of things when you are ressurected to damnation or glory on the final day or the raputre of the church when Jesus returns.

Both can quote sections of the Bible expressing their side.

I don't believe the soul is eternal. That would give man a God-like quality. Only God is eternal. However, God is the sustainer of all things, so if the soul survives death, it's only because God permits it to go on and not because of any inherent quality to the soul itself.
 
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