Israel and its propaganda war: Its winning

[dballer]

Re: SOME PRO ISREAL READ!

I wanted to highlight a few things before adding....

Good gracious.... I feel like I am the only Pro-Isreal, Jewish Democrat in this whole goddamned place!!

I am real into politics, and follow it quite closely- as much as my 21 year old beer soaked brain will allow- but there is two sides to every story. And that is, and always is the fact. Regardless.


Remember this guys. You might think that Isreal are terrorist because they blow up some camel fuckers in Palestine...But remember that they are OUR allies... Remember the people they are fighting, even though they might use dirty tactics at times, are the same people that want america to suffer and for our capitalistic society to suffer with great pain. They kill our fucking innocent women in children with bombs and planes. They make millions upon millions of americans suffer. So if Isreal uses some terroristic "type" tactics to fight these people- SO BE IT!

A/C

Here we go ... bust out the beer to soak the brain and let this sink in.


According to Paul Findley(former US Congress), "Since 1985 all US aid to Israel has been a grant, meaning that not a penny of it has to be repaid. [And w]hen Israel pays interest and principal on loans given before 1985, it does so with US tax dollars. This curious process began in 1984 when Democratic Senator Alan Cranston of California sponsored what became known as the Cranston amendment. It stipulates that economic aid to Israel each year will be at least equal to its annual repayments (principal and interest) of its debt to the United States. In the wry words of then Secretary of State James A. Baker III in testimony before the Senate in 1992, ...'we can always pay ourselves back with the money that we appropriate for Israel to do so.'

"The effect of this amendment is to guarantee that Israel will always receive enough US aid to cover its debt obligations. In actual practice, Congress always awards Israel funds far in excess of these obligations. No other country enjoys such an arrangement."

Hmmmm... sounds a little shady to me? Does this sound right to you? OK... onto somthing else. This is long.. but just read this....

09-10-00


Torture in Israel


Secret U.S. Governemnt Cables about "Systematic Israeli Torture" Were
Published 21 Tears Ago!


On Sunday, CNN, the world's most Israeli-centered TV network, finally did a story about torture in Israel.


But it wasn't a story about the decades of brutal torture to which quite literally thousands and thousands of Palestinian have been subjected -- with the world (and CNN) always looking the other way. It was a story about one American, detained and relatively mildly tortured. And all this is more of the old ongoing story whereby one American gets mistreated and its headline news, thousands and thousands of people get historically raped and physically tortured far worse, and that story is never quite honestly reported or put in proper perspective.

Plus there's the simple matter that with this torture in Israel story CNN is some 21 years late! It's another case of much too little, much too late, much too misreported.

Secret State Department documents detailing "systematic torture" in Israel were first uncovered and published by now MER Publisher, Mark Bruzonsky, years ago.

Bruzonsky, then Associate Editor of WORLDVIEW Magazine and credentialed to the State Department, obtained the classified documents from serving State Department officials who were aghast at what Israel was doing and wanted to make it known to the world.

The story of how these documents were set it type and scheduled to be the front-page article in THE VILLAGE VOICE newspaper -- the top editor and Bruzonsky working intensively over a long weekend to make this possible -- and then at the last moment the presses were stopped by persons associated with the Israeli/Jewish lobby, and the article spiked...this is a story never yet told publicly.

Bruzonsky was also at the time the Interview Editor for THE MIDDLE EAST Magazine in London. He immediately flew to London and the full text of the classified State Department cables detailing the "systematic use of torture" by the Israelis, carefully documented by U.S. government officials, was published for all the world to read quite a long time ago.

For those interested, it's the April 1979 issue.

As for CNN, now that they've got their toes wet with this major story, why don't they do it right, including exposing why and how the U.S. has been complicitous in all this for decades, knowing in detail what, how, and where, the Israelis do their tortuous deeds.

 

[dballer]

No more terrorst attacks? LOL at your ignorance and bias.

Remember the oil tanker in Yemen? French, right. France is no Israel supporter. There was a statement made that perpetrators were pleased that they were able to blow up that "Christian oil tanker".

What Americans often fail to realize is that we are not being targeted for our support of Israel. The extremists that are doing this will attack American interests whether or not we are supporting Israel - it will only make their goal of destroying Israel that much easier.

Explain the 2 plots recently discovered to kill the Pope. The Catholic church is about as anti-Jew as it gets, through history.

If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise.

The extremsist factions fromwhcihterrorists are culled hate their own governments as much as they hate America or Israel.

Cheaper gas? LOL! Supply and demand plus production capacity are the only things affecting gas prices. Most oil producing nations (including #1 Saudi Arabia) cannot afford to slow production one drop a day. They need to money to keep extremists at bay.

Sheep.

You called Warik biased and a sheep? Why?

In your post you said.. and I quote "If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise."

Matt, we have NO choice now do we......

Ari Fleischer
Official White House Spokesman.
Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Perle
Foreign Policy Advisor and chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
He had worked as Bush's Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense, Bush's Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor.
Is a close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and has close ties to the Israeli military.

Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense, and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon.
He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor.
He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Dov Zekheim
Under Secretary of Defense.
He was Bush's Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large.
He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council,
and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Henry Kissinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship and reaped investment profits in Yugoslavia. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

James Schlesinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position.
He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State.
Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Robert Satloff
National Security Council Advisor.
Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Joshua Bolten
Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide.
Prominent in the Jewish community.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor.
He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Daniel Saul Goldin
Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez,
and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised in the Jewish faith.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce.
He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute.
Reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.


Bush has hired these Israeli lobbyists to the highest positions in the land, he has escalated the bombing of Iraq, and already sided with Israel in killing Palestinian civilians.





YOU SUPPORT THEM!!!! YOU ARE THE SHEEP!!!!!

 

[dballer]

What happened in Cambodia was thrid wolrd slaughter that goes on all the time. Tragic but hardly unprecedented. The Holocaust was a systematic genocide by a major world power, literally at the expense of winning the war.

Back out to pasture.

What do YOU call what Israel is doing to the people of Palistine??

 

[2Thick]

You called Warik biased and a sheep? Why?

In your post you said.. and I quote "If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise."

Matt, we have NO choice now do we......

Ari Fleischer
Official White House Spokesman.
Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Perle
Foreign Policy Advisor and chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
He had worked as Bush's Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense, Bush's Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor.
Is a close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and has close ties to the Israeli military.

Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense, and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon.
He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor.
He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Dov Zekheim
Under Secretary of Defense.
He was Bush's Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large.
He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council,
and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Henry Kissinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship and reaped investment profits in Yugoslavia. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

James Schlesinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position.
He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State.
Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Robert Satloff
National Security Council Advisor.
Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Joshua Bolten
Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide.
Prominent in the Jewish community.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor.
He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Daniel Saul Goldin
Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez,
and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised in the Jewish faith.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce.
He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute.
Reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.


Bush has hired these Israeli lobbyists to the highest positions in the land, he has escalated the bombing of Iraq, and already sided with Israel in killing Palestinian civilians.





YOU SUPPORT THEM!!!! YOU ARE THE SHEEP!!!!!

You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

 

[blank212]

HA HA HA HA HA .... WHOOAAAAAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


This is the best quote yet... this is rich... I really liked this one.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.

 

[blank212]

What do YOU call what Israel is doing to the people of Palistine??

The Palestinians have lost like 1700 people in the past 2 years and the Israelis have lost like 700 people. There are several million Palestinians, so to say that the Israelis are commiting genocide is rediculous.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Originally posted by 2Thick


You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

You want to introduce a quota on how many Jews can enter politics and other fields?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

Are you implying that a jewish person in an office is blinded to the duties of their office because they are jewish? Help me here.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Back in the days nobody gave a fuck about jews, I wonder why lol

So basically according to Matt, a jew that died during the Holocaust is worth more than a cambodgian ? reminds me the Civil War when a white officer was worth 2-4 blacks during prisoners exchange...... lol

It;s not about the jews or the cambodians you lummox. it's about the difference between what Germany was doing and what Pol Pot was doing, particularly given the divergent status of Germany and Cambodia on teh world stage, and the presence or absence of a major war. Read a book for once.

 

[dballer]

The Palestinians have lost like 1700 people in the past 2 years and the Israelis have lost like 700 people. There are several million Palestinians, so to say that the Israelis are commiting genocide is rediculous.

cut the bullshit hoss. we all know that is a load of CNN crap.