Is your 10cc Vial really Underdosed?

[The Iron Game]

Is your 10cc Vial really Underfilled?

I have seen a lot of posts complaining lately about how there 10ml vial is underfilled or "appears" to be underfilled. It has probably been explained before but for some of those out there who dont understand the logic behind it do the following.

Prepare the following:

*A 2cc syringe, (should be capable of 2.5 cc's)
*A 21, 22, or 23 Gauge pin
*A glass half full of water

1. Put the pin on the syringe and remove the cap.

2. Place the pin in the water and pull back on the plunger until the syringe is full and cannot take anymore water.

3. Turn the syringe upside down so that the pin is facing the ceiling / roof.

4. Flick the tiny air bubble at the bottom so that it rises towards the pin.

5. Start pushing on the plunger until the air bubble is out and the water is at the 2 cc point (make sure you shoot it back into the cup.

6. Stop, you are now at the 2cc mark but if you examine you will discover there is actually 2.3cc's of liquid.

If you use a 5cc syringe then this would be 2.6 cc's.

Thus for example, say you were injecting winstrol at 200mgs all in one shot, apply it to oil based steroids as well but the total amount in the syringe will be slightly different. Well back to the winstrol, if the solution was 100mgs/cc and you thought you were injecting 200mgs in the 2cc's you would actually be injecting 230mgs. This does not seem too much in one shot but multiply it by10 and it works out to 300mgs wasted that you didnt realise.

Peace

 

[E-Rawk]

good point game

 

[apbt549]

good point , but do you mean underfilled or underdosed

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

I have seen a lot of posts complaining lately about how there 10ml vial is underdosed or "appears" to be underdosed. It has probably been explained before but for some of those out there who dont understand the logic behind it do the following.

Prepare the following:

*A 2cc syringe, (should be capable of 2.5 cc's)
*A 21, 22, or 23 Gauge pin
*A glass half full of water

1. Put the pin on the syringe and remove the cap.

2. Place the pin in the water and pull back on the plunger until the syringe is full and cannot take anymore water.

3. Turn the syringe upside down so that the pin is facing the ceiling / roof.

4. Flick the tiny air bubble at the bottom so that it rises towards the pin.

5. Start pushing on the plunger until the air bubble is out and the water is at the 2 cc point (make sure you shoot it back into the cup.

6. Stop, you are now at the 2cc mark but if you examine you will discover there is actually 2.3cc's of liquid.

If you use a 5cc syringe then this would be 2.6 cc's.

Thus for example, say you were injecting winstrol at 200mgs all in one shot, apply it to oil based steroids as well but the total amount in the syringe will be slightly different. Well back to the winstrol, if the solution was 100mgs/cc and you thought you were injecting 200mgs in the 2cc's you would actually be injecting 230mgs. This does not seem too much in one shot but multiply it by10 and it works out to 300mgs wasted that you didnt realise.

Peace

Very good post. This should be on an FAQ section of this board.

 

[Powerchord]

true...true....

another good tip

 

[The Iron Game]

good point , but do you mean underfilled or underdosed

oops I meant underfilled, my bad.

edited it though

 

[MaxBiceps]

is it just me?

I still don't understand. Iron Game, you said push out the air/water
until the 2cc mark, but if you examine it, it will really be at 2.3 cc.
Where did the .3 cc come from?? Inside the needle??

 

[The Iron Game]

Max Biceps if you look at the syringe you will see where the 0.3 cc's comes from. The reading on a pin doesnt start at precisely 0cc's but it would be a negative figure although this is not possible. The majority comes from there but a minute amount also from the pin. Im sure you will understand much better if you did the experiement.

A better way is once you are at the 2cc mark, just pull back on the plunger so the water is once again at the bottom of the plunger and away from pin end. If you examine the liquid inside the syringe you will see it changes from the 2cc's to the 2.25 - 2.3cc's

Peace

 

[MaxBiceps]

You're right. I did it the second way. Huh....You learn something new everyday.

Thanks Iron Game.

 

[21inch_arms]

IRON you the man. Finally someone takes the time to break it down. I see post after post about this company or that company under filling there bottles when actually it's a user related issue.

 

[basskiller]

in essance if you want make your 10ml of whatever into 5 shots without coming up too short (because you can't get the liquid out of the actual pin itself) You don't draw to the 2 line on the sryringe but just below it.... compensating for the space between where the needle and the first mark on the syringe begins

Good post GAME

 

[acneman]

stand by for about 3 more good bumps

 

[Riker29]

You are on the right track IG, I did a big write-up about this about a week ago.

First off, I did not see as dramatic of a mis-measurement that you are seeing. A 6 ML syringe I had would hold about an extra 0.3cc due to inaccuracies towards the bottom of the syringe cylinder.

Also, an important point is that most of this "extra" liquid does NOT get injected.

Try this, fill a syringe with water, or just a few CCs. Turn it needleup, tap out the air bubbles. Now, with the pin still straight up, squirt out all of the water - just push the plunger straight up in one movement ........... then, back off the plunger a bit, pull it back down ...... guess what? There is still water in there! Tap the syringe a bit - ity will collect towards the bottom.

You must hold the pin stright up for this to work so that the water stays down and does not just "leak out" by itself after the plunger is depressed. Most gear, being oil based and therefore thicker than water, would not have this problem.

So, in summary:

The "extra" amount which gets loaded into a syringe (over and above the simple measuerement which you see on the side of the syringe) will vary based upon the brand and size of the syringe. And to a lesser extent, the size of the pin itself.

A lot of this "extra" liquid NEVER actually gets injected, but instead is wasted - staying in the syringe/needle assembly - and never being injected.

No matter what you do (unless a bottle is OVER filled) you will NOT get, for example, five, 2CC injections from a 10 cc (ml) bottle of anything.

 

[Jeff_rys]

never looked at it this way IG

So all the time i was shooting 2 cc's PGF2a, i was shooting 2.3 cc. How nice to know.

 

[The Iron Game]

lol @ Jeff

Riker even if it doesnt get injected, at least the vial is not under filled as everyone has been claiming. On average you could lose about 1.5cc's in a 10ml vial.

Peace